Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:Im not going to quote, but they could always hire a part-time domain expert(a member of the crew who qualifies in the said subject and just clarfifies and confirms everything and anything you do: average wage of one is around 8000 a month.

That's an option, sure, but most TV shows honestly just don't care. They'd rather make an interesting show than one that's perfectly accurate in the scientific sense.

Also, there's the development delay. Between the time that the script is written and the show airs on the TV, months have passed. A matter of months can make a huge difference in the world of science. Heck, Einstein changed the way the world looked at the universe in about a year...that being said, can a TV show ever be accurate? All they can do is guess and stick with what they have in order to keep it simple.

Einsteint created a golden-age of science: Scientific ideology isn't quick-enough to significantly change in the course of a year.

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So I hear you like mudkips....
Yeah, mine totally evolved from a mudkip into a marshchomp when I saw your sister, and totally unevolved back when it saw your mother 0_o

xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

jackalo:

Jason X35:

l Slayer l:

I can haz blak hole Generatorz?

Well...the ZPM stands for zero-point module. Which is to say that it yaps energy from an artificially created region of subspace existing outside of both out space and time. So...I guess you could consider this a tiny black hole generator in that taps energy from an alternate reality. But that's the only kind you can have! lol

oh I thought by zero point modules you meant something taking advantage of zero point energy fields.. Whys it called zero point module then?

 AC your ship is slightly less ridiculous.(slightly)

 

It does take advantage of zero point energy fields. Just not in our space. The Ancients decided to make these modules contain regions of subspace to tap the energy from. Basically they just didn't want to mess with the space they were living in...but of course artificially manufacturing space makes things more difficult. I was just metaphorically calling it a black hole generator because it serves as the bridge between these two regions of space and it always siphons energy from this one subspace. Kinda like a black hole siphoning off material in our space.

Metamorphicly? I you kidding me? Did you mean metaphoricly, not metamorphicly? Get yoru words right, you sound like an idiot man. Further, more, galavanting around making subspace(assuming it exists, which it wouldn't) would parell and ultimately effect(most likely F*ck up) massive regions of space: It's just stupid: Using the same logic, it's like unleashing a strain of HIV(which dosen't effect animals or plant/fauna life) onto a massive area of china as opposed to using a nuclear bomb, simply to conserve the local envirement -.'-

Um...pretty sure it says metaphorically on my screen Mr. "yoru words right" (that's quoted from you). Yeah. Mines correct. And you have a dozen or so spelling errors, so don't complain if you misread something.

As far as the subspace is concerned: that's the technology. Since we're talking about FICTION here (though it may be accurate in some cases and be later reflected in developing technologies) I think you need to take a step back and realize we're talking about the lore of these two universe's. Argue as much as you want: the ZPM is defined as tapping energy from a self contained region of subspace in order to prevent problems in the local region of space. Period. As in that's how the show defines it.

And as your name suggests, you are a "Failure" my dear sir.

ZPM is not defined as that my "dear sir(homosexual terminology aside)" I don't care much for spelling, so we may as-well surpass that, and second, i'm simply commenting on the fact that Science-fiction contradicts itself: Furthermroe, that's not how ZPM is defined, as Jackolo can tell you, it's sub-quartient particles excited by a 3rd-party energy source releasing energy(specific type of energy, but i won't go into details). You can't tape a ZPM deposit because most are too small, and those that arn't are impossible(well, thearetically so). Second, subspace can never be made by any-technology, and there is no such thing as a self-contained subspace: Anything which substitues to another thing(which subspace certainly does) can never be self contained)

My shitheaded sir, my 'failure' name is to emphasize the fact I bring failure upon other people, such as yourself, but here it was not needed, because you pretty much crapped on your own head anyway xD

Let me go slowly so you can understand this: STARGATE ATLANTIS IS NOT REAL. It's actually this nifty thing called FICTION. The description of the ZPM I have described is therefore NOT REAL. In other words, it's FICTIONAL. I understand you're describing zero point energy in real space...but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the FICTIONAL ZPM as defined by Stargate Atlantis...which, again, I've described correctly.

You sure seemed to imply that you were describing real-space, which is why I reacted: My apologies, but next time make precautions to make it more evident in what you're reffering to.

My apologies as well. I thought you we're criticizing the show and mocking it just because it's science was....faulty. As far as making precautions...I thought it was pretty clear. We're on a forum based upon aliens that speak perfect english and follow a human-type hierarchy. There are only a few posts that delve into the real (and I mean the world we live in) science and they make it very clear that's what they're talking about.

But...for the sake of preventing these flare-ups (and as a courtesy for you and others like you), I'll post either "ACTUAL SCIENCE" or "FICTITIOUS SCIENCE" at the top of my posts dealing with these two matters.

My suggestion towards you is to not begin insulting someone just because you don't agree with what they said. That's called politics. In science we try to understand why they think that way and see if either side has credit to what they claim.

Oh. And the "my good sir" comment really wasn't meant as an insult. It just fit in with my running mindset at the time, and I again apologize for how you perceived it.

Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

jackalo:

Jason X35:

l Slayer l:

I can haz blak hole Generatorz?

Well...the ZPM stands for zero-point module. Which is to say that it yaps energy from an artificially created region of subspace existing outside of both out space and time. So...I guess you could consider this a tiny black hole generator in that taps energy from an alternate reality. But that's the only kind you can have! lol

oh I thought by zero point modules you meant something taking advantage of zero point energy fields.. Whys it called zero point module then?

 AC your ship is slightly less ridiculous.(slightly)

 

It does take advantage of zero point energy fields. Just not in our space. The Ancients decided to make these modules contain regions of subspace to tap the energy from. Basically they just didn't want to mess with the space they were living in...but of course artificially manufacturing space makes things more difficult. I was just metaphorically calling it a black hole generator because it serves as the bridge between these two regions of space and it always siphons energy from this one subspace. Kinda like a black hole siphoning off material in our space.

Metamorphicly? I you kidding me? Did you mean metaphoricly, not metamorphicly? Get yoru words right, you sound like an idiot man. Further, more, galavanting around making subspace(assuming it exists, which it wouldn't) would parell and ultimately effect(most likely F*ck up) massive regions of space: It's just stupid: Using the same logic, it's like unleashing a strain of HIV(which dosen't effect animals or plant/fauna life) onto a massive area of china as opposed to using a nuclear bomb, simply to conserve the local envirement -.'-

Um...pretty sure it says metaphorically on my screen Mr. "yoru words right" (that's quoted from you). Yeah. Mines correct. And you have a dozen or so spelling errors, so don't complain if you misread something.

As far as the subspace is concerned: that's the technology. Since we're talking about FICTION here (though it may be accurate in some cases and be later reflected in developing technologies) I think you need to take a step back and realize we're talking about the lore of these two universe's. Argue as much as you want: the ZPM is defined as tapping energy from a self contained region of subspace in order to prevent problems in the local region of space. Period. As in that's how the show defines it.

And as your name suggests, you are a "Failure" my dear sir.

ZPM is not defined as that my "dear sir(homosexual terminology aside)" I don't care much for spelling, so we may as-well surpass that, and second, i'm simply commenting on the fact that Science-fiction contradicts itself: Furthermroe, that's not how ZPM is defined, as Jackolo can tell you, it's sub-quartient particles excited by a 3rd-party energy source releasing energy(specific type of energy, but i won't go into details). You can't tape a ZPM deposit because most are too small, and those that arn't are impossible(well, thearetically so). Second, subspace can never be made by any-technology, and there is no such thing as a self-contained subspace: Anything which substitues to another thing(which subspace certainly does) can never be self contained)

My shitheaded sir, my 'failure' name is to emphasize the fact I bring failure upon other people, such as yourself, but here it was not needed, because you pretty much crapped on your own head anyway xD

Let me go slowly so you can understand this: STARGATE ATLANTIS IS NOT REAL. It's actually this nifty thing called FICTION. The description of the ZPM I have described is therefore NOT REAL. In other words, it's FICTIONAL. I understand you're describing zero point energy in real space...but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the FICTIONAL ZPM as defined by Stargate Atlantis...which, again, I've described correctly.

You sure seemed to imply that you were describing real-space, which is why I reacted: My apologies, but next time make precautions to make it more evident in what you're reffering to.

My apologies as well. I thought you we're criticizing the show and mocking it just because it's science was....faulty. As far as making precautions...I thought it was pretty clear. We're on a forum based upon aliens that speak perfect english and follow a human-type hierarchy. There are only a few posts that delve into the real (and I mean the world we live in) science and they make it very clear that's what they're talking about.

But...for the sake of preventing these flare-ups (and as a courtesy for you and others like you), I'll post either "ACTUAL SCIENCE" or "FICTITIOUS SCIENCE" at the top of my posts dealing with these two matters.

My suggestion towards you is to not begin insulting someone just because you don't agree with what they said. That's called politics. In science we try to understand why they think that way and see if either side has credit to what they claim.

Oh. And the "my good sir" comment really wasn't meant as an insult. It just fit in with my running mindset at the time, and I again apologize for how you perceived it.

xD Ok thanks dude for taking the morale high-ground :) Failure, loggin' out.

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So I hear you like mudkips....
Yeah, mine totally evolved from a mudkip into a marshchomp when I saw your sister, and totally unevolved back when it saw your mother 0_o

xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:Im not going to quote, but they could always hire a part-time domain expert(a member of the crew who qualifies in the said subject and just clarfifies and confirms everything and anything you do: average wage of one is around 8000 a month.

That's an option, sure, but most TV shows honestly just don't care. They'd rather make an interesting show than one that's perfectly accurate in the scientific sense.

Also, there's the development delay. Between the time that the script is written and the show airs on the TV, months have passed. A matter of months can make a huge difference in the world of science. Heck, Einstein changed the way the world looked at the universe in about a year...that being said, can a TV show ever be accurate? All they can do is guess and stick with what they have in order to keep it simple.

Einsteint created a golden-age of science: Scientific ideology isn't quick-enough to significantly change in the course of a year.

That's true..but when a TV show like Stargate runs for ten years, that means it's science was developed eleven years ago when the scripting began. Since Stargate has been off for about two years, that means the science behind it was (mostly) developed 13 years ago! That's long enough for significant changes to be made in science and for the ideology to change as well.

jackalo:

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science: Furthermore, the science made for the specfic show almsot always contradicts itself: Same with Stargate: It 'yaps(im asuming this means leeches)' energy from an artificially created region of subspace: Firstly, dimensions cannot exist in dimensions, and subspace implies an existence of one particular reality within another, which is BS, and a simple degree in Physics tell you this is impossible: then you call the region of subspace(assuming that such a thing exists, which it couldn't)artifical, so it was made, to extract energy from: This is illogical: Did you make a region of space which took a specific reserve of energy to as a store or did you just waste a sh*t load of electricity to open up an area of space just to extract energy from it, or does this area of space actually create it's own energy? Eh? Seeing the bullsh*t of stargate now?

 Further more, black-holes are unobserval phenomen: It is conventially impossible to create a black-hole, it simply isn't possible.

Back to the ZPM thing, zero-point energy in reality is simply a pet-name for a bose-einstein condensate in string theory: you couldn't hold such a thing in a simple module.

If M-theory is correct (which is becoming increasingly more likely it is) then black-holes could be created with sufficiently advanced technology also bose-einstein condensate is not zero-point energy, a zero point energy field is the energy generated by particles that exist in vacuums, zero point energy is the lowest possible amount of energy something can have.

But you are right about most science in sci-fi things being bollocks, zero point energy is infinite everywhere but to "small" (in simple terms) to be used to power anything and would be even smaller in other dimensions.

 

Though to complain about sci-fi science being bollocks is a bit stupid since it would be pretty expensive to hire scientists to research things just to make a tv show.

sci-fi science is FTW.

Black holes are OP, they need a nerf.

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I'm Terri-Trash at best :(

l Slayer l:

jackalo:

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science: Furthermore, the science made for the specfic show almsot always contradicts itself: Same with Stargate: It 'yaps(im asuming this means leeches)' energy from an artificially created region of subspace: Firstly, dimensions cannot exist in dimensions, and subspace implies an existence of one particular reality within another, which is BS, and a simple degree in Physics tell you this is impossible: then you call the region of subspace(assuming that such a thing exists, which it couldn't)artifical, so it was made, to extract energy from: This is illogical: Did you make a region of space which took a specific reserve of energy to as a store or did you just waste a sh*t load of electricity to open up an area of space just to extract energy from it, or does this area of space actually create it's own energy? Eh? Seeing the bullsh*t of stargate now?

 Further more, black-holes are unobserval phenomen: It is conventially impossible to create a black-hole, it simply isn't possible.

Back to the ZPM thing, zero-point energy in reality is simply a pet-name for a bose-einstein condensate in string theory: you couldn't hold such a thing in a simple module.

If M-theory is correct (which is becoming increasingly more likely it is) then black-holes could be created with sufficiently advanced technology also bose-einstein condensate is not zero-point energy, a zero point energy field is the energy generated by particles that exist in vacuums, zero point energy is the lowest possible amount of energy something can have.

But you are right about most science in sci-fi things being bollocks, zero point energy is infinite everywhere but to "small" (in simple terms) to be used to power anything and would be even smaller in other dimensions.

 

Though to complain about sci-fi science being bollocks is a bit stupid since it would be pretty expensive to hire scientists to research things just to make a tv show.

sci-fi science is FTW.

Black holes are OP, they need a nerf.

  I would pay someone to shout that out in a lecture lol.

Wow...I go away for a week and when I return, there's this massive flipping flame war raging... WTF.

Could we go back on topic plz?

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Wow...I go away for a week and when I return, there's this massive flipping flame war raging... WTF.

Could we go back on topic plz?

Look Matt! The perfect game for you!

 http://armorgames.com/play/6561/achievement-unlocked-2

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DFang:

AC Matt Klassen:

Wow...I go away for a week and when I return, there's this massive flipping flame war raging... WTF.

Could we go back on topic plz?

Look Matt! The perfect game for you!

 http://armorgames.com/play/6561/achievement-unlocked-2

ya I beat it already...

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AC Matt Klassen:

Wow...I go away for a week and when I return, there's this massive flipping flame war raging... WTF.

Could we go back on topic plz?

 

fine.. I say the star trek ones purely because I've never watched it and most of the UNSC fleet is damaged from the war with the covenant.

Why is this a topic?

jackalo:

AC Matt Klassen:

Wow...I go away for a week and when I return, there's this massive flipping flame war raging... WTF.

Could we go back on topic plz?

 

fine.. I say the star trek ones purely because I've never watched it and most of the UNSC fleet is damaged from the war with the covenant.

Why is this a topic?

Umm...it's Stargate. Not Star Trek. Just clarifying.

xXx Failure xXx:

jackalo:

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science: Furthermore, the science made for the specfic show almsot always contradicts itself: Same with Stargate: It 'yaps(im asuming this means leeches)' energy from an artificially created region of subspace: Firstly, dimensions cannot exist in dimensions, and subspace implies an existence of one particular reality within another, which is BS, and a simple degree in Physics tell you this is impossible: then you call the region of subspace(assuming that such a thing exists, which it couldn't)artifical, so it was made, to extract energy from: This is illogical: Did you make a region of space which took a specific reserve of energy to as a store or did you just waste a sh*t load of electricity to open up an area of space just to extract energy from it, or does this area of space actually create it's own energy? Eh? Seeing the bullsh*t of stargate now?

 Further more, black-holes are unobserval phenomen: It is conventially impossible to create a black-hole, it simply isn't possible.

Back to the ZPM thing, zero-point energy in reality is simply a pet-name for a bose-einstein condensate in string theory: you couldn't hold such a thing in a simple module.

If M-theory is correct (which is becoming increasingly more likely it is) then black-holes could be created with sufficiently advanced technology also bose-einstein condensate is not zero-point energy, zero point energy is the energy generated by particles that exist in vacuums.

But you are right about most science in sci-fi things being bollocks, zero point energy is infinite everywhere but to "small" (in simple terms) to be used to power anything and would be even smaller in other dimensions.

 

Though to complain about sci-fi science being bollocks is a bit stupid since it would be pretty expensive to hire scientists to research things just to make a tv show.

A bose-einstein condensate is what accounts for substantial concentrations of zero-point energy(according to M-Theory), and zero-point energy itself is generated by a sub-quartient particles exited by a 3rd party source of energy, or so string theory states, further-more, M-theory suggests that black-holes are impossible to create(To create a black-whole is to either, using the conventional route, would be to pose a massive ammount of matter against itself, generating it's own gravity-well which would engulf itself to the point of black-whole: The more conveniant route would be to collapse a strand of apporpriate string on itself):

M-theory itself is not being glofified ever more: It's just waiting for that last peice of demeaning evidence to knock it from it's perch like so many former theories.

Also, the least they(I mean stupid soap-operas and star-trek style BS)could do is grow some balls and not contradict themselves in-terms of their own science: Even a small kid with some sense could identify BS in made-up science by simply looking at it.

uh bad grammar

 

BTW its called science FICTION for a reason...stupid fucktard.

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AC Matt Klassen:

DFang:

AC Matt Klassen:

Wow...I go away for a week and when I return, there's this massive flipping flame war raging... WTF.

Could we go back on topic plz?

Look Matt! The perfect game for you!

 http://armorgames.com/play/6561/achievement-unlocked-2

ya I beat it already...

***!

You good! 

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DFang:

AC Matt Klassen:

DFang:

AC Matt Klassen:

Wow...I go away for a week and when I return, there's this massive flipping flame war raging... WTF.

Could we go back on topic plz?

Look Matt! The perfect game for you!

 http://armorgames.com/play/6561/achievement-unlocked-2

ya I beat it already...

***!

You good! 

yeah....WAY too much time on my hands...can't wait for September 14th...

also I like grinding. TibTwilight was bull though. Only 20 levels? And you can't use the Arcus in multiplayer? WTF?

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Supreme Commander Matt Klassen, captain of the Devastator-class ship Enlightened.

All Halo achievements unlocked.
All CoD4 achievements unlocked.
All MW2 achievements unlocked.

AC Matt Klassen:

xXx Failure xXx:

jackalo:

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science: Furthermore, the science made for the specfic show almsot always contradicts itself: Same with Stargate: It 'yaps(im asuming this means leeches)' energy from an artificially created region of subspace: Firstly, dimensions cannot exist in dimensions, and subspace implies an existence of one particular reality within another, which is BS, and a simple degree in Physics tell you this is impossible: then you call the region of subspace(assuming that such a thing exists, which it couldn't)artifical, so it was made, to extract energy from: This is illogical: Did you make a region of space which took a specific reserve of energy to as a store or did you just waste a sh*t load of electricity to open up an area of space just to extract energy from it, or does this area of space actually create it's own energy? Eh? Seeing the bullsh*t of stargate now?

 Further more, black-holes are unobserval phenomen: It is conventially impossible to create a black-hole, it simply isn't possible.

Back to the ZPM thing, zero-point energy in reality is simply a pet-name for a bose-einstein condensate in string theory: you couldn't hold such a thing in a simple module.

If M-theory is correct (which is becoming increasingly more likely it is) then black-holes could be created with sufficiently advanced technology also bose-einstein condensate is not zero-point energy, zero point energy is the energy generated by particles that exist in vacuums.

But you are right about most science in sci-fi things being bollocks, zero point energy is infinite everywhere but to "small" (in simple terms) to be used to power anything and would be even smaller in other dimensions.

 

Though to complain about sci-fi science being bollocks is a bit stupid since it would be pretty expensive to hire scientists to research things just to make a tv show.

A bose-einstein condensate is what accounts for substantial concentrations of zero-point energy(according to M-Theory), and zero-point energy itself is generated by a sub-quartient particles exited by a 3rd party source of energy, or so string theory states, further-more, M-theory suggests that black-holes are impossible to create(To create a black-whole is to either, using the conventional route, would be to pose a massive ammount of matter against itself, generating it's own gravity-well which would engulf itself to the point of black-whole: The more conveniant route would be to collapse a strand of apporpriate string on itself):

M-theory itself is not being glofified ever more: It's just waiting for that last peice of demeaning evidence to knock it from it's perch like so many former theories.

Also, the least they(I mean stupid soap-operas and star-trek style BS)could do is grow some balls and not contradict themselves in-terms of their own science: Even a small kid with some sense could identify BS in made-up science by simply looking at it.

uh bad grammar (full stop)