xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

jackalo:

Jason X35:

l Slayer l:

I can haz blak hole Generatorz?

Well...the ZPM stands for zero-point module. Which is to say that it yaps energy from an artificially created region of subspace existing outside of both out space and time. So...I guess you could consider this a tiny black hole generator in that taps energy from an alternate reality. But that's the only kind you can have! lol

oh I thought by zero point modules you meant something taking advantage of zero point energy fields.. Whys it called zero point module then?

 AC your ship is slightly less ridiculous.(slightly)

 

It does take advantage of zero point energy fields. Just not in our space. The Ancients decided to make these modules contain regions of subspace to tap the energy from. Basically they just didn't want to mess with the space they were living in...but of course artificially manufacturing space makes things more difficult. I was just metaphorically calling it a black hole generator because it serves as the bridge between these two regions of space and it always siphons energy from this one subspace. Kinda like a black hole siphoning off material in our space.

Metamorphicly? I you kidding me? Did you mean metaphoricly, not metamorphicly? Get yoru words right, you sound like an idiot man. Further, more, galavanting around making subspace(assuming it exists, which it wouldn't) would parell and ultimately effect(most likely F*ck up) massive regions of space: It's just stupid: Using the same logic, it's like unleashing a strain of HIV(which dosen't effect animals or plant/fauna life) onto a massive area of china as opposed to using a nuclear bomb, simply to conserve the local envirement -.'-

Um...pretty sure it says metaphorically on my screen Mr. "yoru words right" (that's quoted from you). Yeah. Mines correct. And you have a dozen or so spelling errors, so don't complain if you misread something.

As far as the subspace is concerned: that's the technology. Since we're talking about FICTION here (though it may be accurate in some cases and be later reflected in developing technologies) I think you need to take a step back and realize we're talking about the lore of these two universe's. Argue as much as you want: the ZPM is defined as tapping energy from a self contained region of subspace in order to prevent problems in the local region of space. Period. As in that's how the show defines it.

And as your name suggests, you are a "Failure" my dear sir.

jackalo:

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science: Furthermore, the science made for the specfic show almsot always contradicts itself: Same with Stargate: It 'yaps(im asuming this means leeches)' energy from an artificially created region of subspace: Firstly, dimensions cannot exist in dimensions, and subspace implies an existence of one particular reality within another, which is BS, and a simple degree in Physics tell you this is impossible: then you call the region of subspace(assuming that such a thing exists, which it couldn't)artifical, so it was made, to extract energy from: This is illogical: Did you make a region of space which took a specific reserve of energy to as a store or did you just waste a sh*t load of electricity to open up an area of space just to extract energy from it, or does this area of space actually create it's own energy? Eh? Seeing the bullsh*t of stargate now?

 Further more, black-holes are unobserval phenomen: It is conventially impossible to create a black-hole, it simply isn't possible.

Back to the ZPM thing, zero-point energy in reality is simply a pet-name for a bose-einstein condensate in string theory: you couldn't hold such a thing in a simple module.

If M-theory is correct (which is becoming increasingly more likely it is) then black-holes could be created with sufficiently advanced technology also bose-einstein condensate is not zero-point energy, zero point energy is the energy generated by particles that exist in vacuums.

But you are right about most science in sci-fi things being bollocks, zero point energy is infinite everywhere but to "small" (in simple terms) to be used to power anything and would be even smaller in other dimensions.

 

Though to complain about sci-fi science being bollocks is a bit stupid since it would be pretty expensive to hire scientists to research things just to make a tv show.

A bose-einstein condensate is what accounts for substantial concentrations of zero-point energy(according to M-Theory), and zero-point energy itself is generated by a sub-quartient particles exited by a 3rd party source of energy, or so string theory states, further-more, M-theory suggests that black-holes are impossible to create(To create a black-whole is to either, using the conventional route, would be to pose a massive ammount of matter against itself, generating it's own gravity-well which would engulf itself to the point of black-whole: The more conveniant route would be to collapse a strand of apporpriate string on itself):

M-theory itself is not being glofified ever more: It's just waiting for that last peice of demeaning evidence to knock it from it's perch like so many former theories.

Also, the least they(I mean stupid soap-operas and star-trek style BS)could do is grow some balls and not contradict themselves in-terms of their own science: Even a small kid with some sense could identify BS in made-up science by simply looking at it.

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So I hear you like mudkips....
Yeah, mine totally evolved from a mudkip into a marshchomp when I saw your sister, and totally unevolved back when it saw your mother 0_o

Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

jackalo:

Jason X35:

l Slayer l:

I can haz blak hole Generatorz?

Well...the ZPM stands for zero-point module. Which is to say that it yaps energy from an artificially created region of subspace existing outside of both out space and time. So...I guess you could consider this a tiny black hole generator in that taps energy from an alternate reality. But that's the only kind you can have! lol

oh I thought by zero point modules you meant something taking advantage of zero point energy fields.. Whys it called zero point module then?

 AC your ship is slightly less ridiculous.(slightly)

 

It does take advantage of zero point energy fields. Just not in our space. The Ancients decided to make these modules contain regions of subspace to tap the energy from. Basically they just didn't want to mess with the space they were living in...but of course artificially manufacturing space makes things more difficult. I was just metaphorically calling it a black hole generator because it serves as the bridge between these two regions of space and it always siphons energy from this one subspace. Kinda like a black hole siphoning off material in our space.

Metamorphicly? I you kidding me? Did you mean metaphoricly, not metamorphicly? Get yoru words right, you sound like an idiot man. Further, more, galavanting around making subspace(assuming it exists, which it wouldn't) would parell and ultimately effect(most likely F*ck up) massive regions of space: It's just stupid: Using the same logic, it's like unleashing a strain of HIV(which dosen't effect animals or plant/fauna life) onto a massive area of china as opposed to using a nuclear bomb, simply to conserve the local envirement -.'-

Um...pretty sure it says metaphorically on my screen Mr. "yoru words right" (that's quoted from you). Yeah. Mines correct. And you have a dozen or so spelling errors, so don't complain if you misread something.

As far as the subspace is concerned: that's the technology. Since we're talking about FICTION here (though it may be accurate in some cases and be later reflected in developing technologies) I think you need to take a step back and realize we're talking about the lore of these two universe's. Argue as much as you want: the ZPM is defined as tapping energy from a self contained region of subspace in order to prevent problems in the local region of space. Period. As in that's how the show defines it.

And as your name suggests, you are a "Failure" my dear sir.

ZPM is not defined as that my "dear sir(homosexual terminology aside)" I don't care much for spelling, so we may as-well surpass that, and second, i'm simply commenting on the fact that Science-fiction contradicts itself: Furthermroe, that's not how ZPM is defined, as Jackolo can tell you, it's sub-quartient particles excited by a 3rd-party energy source releasing energy(specific type of energy, but i won't go into details). You can't tape a ZPM deposit because most are too small, and those that arn't are impossible(well, thearetically so). Second, subspace can never be made by any-technology, and there is no such thing as a self-contained subspace: Anything which substitues to another thing(which subspace certainly does) can never be self contained)

My shitheaded sir, my 'failure' name is to emphasize the fact I bring failure upon other people, such as yourself, but here it was not needed, because you pretty much crapped on your own head anyway xD

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So I hear you like mudkips....
Yeah, mine totally evolved from a mudkip into a marshchomp when I saw your sister, and totally unevolved back when it saw your mother 0_o

xXx Failure xXx:

jackalo:

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science: Furthermore, the science made for the specfic show almsot always contradicts itself: Same with Stargate: It 'yaps(im asuming this means leeches)' energy from an artificially created region of subspace: Firstly, dimensions cannot exist in dimensions, and subspace implies an existence of one particular reality within another, which is BS, and a simple degree in Physics tell you this is impossible: then you call the region of subspace(assuming that such a thing exists, which it couldn't)artifical, so it was made, to extract energy from: This is illogical: Did you make a region of space which took a specific reserve of energy to as a store or did you just waste a sh*t load of electricity to open up an area of space just to extract energy from it, or does this area of space actually create it's own energy? Eh? Seeing the bullsh*t of stargate now?

 Further more, black-holes are unobserval phenomen: It is conventially impossible to create a black-hole, it simply isn't possible.

Back to the ZPM thing, zero-point energy in reality is simply a pet-name for a bose-einstein condensate in string theory: you couldn't hold such a thing in a simple module.

If M-theory is correct (which is becoming increasingly more likely it is) then black-holes could be created with sufficiently advanced technology also bose-einstein condensate is not zero-point energy, zero point energy is the energy generated by particles that exist in vacuums.

But you are right about most science in sci-fi things being bollocks, zero point energy is infinite everywhere but to "small" (in simple terms) to be used to power anything and would be even smaller in other dimensions.

 

Though to complain about sci-fi science being bollocks is a bit stupid since it would be pretty expensive to hire scientists to research things just to make a tv show.

A bose-einstein condensate is what accounts for substantial concentrations of zero-point energy(according to M-Theory), and zero-point energy itself is generated by a sub-quartient particles exited by a 3rd party source of energy, or so string theory states, further-more, M-theory suggests that black-holes are impossible to create(To create a black-whole is to either, using the conventional route, would be to pose a massive ammount of matter against itself, generating it's own gravity-well which would engulf itself to the point of black-whole: The more conveniant route would be to collapse a strand of apporpriate string on itself):

M-theory itself is not being glofified ever more: It's just waiting for that last peice of demeaning evidence to knock it from it's perch like so many former theories.

Also, the least they(I mean stupid soap-operas and star-trek style BS)could do is grow some balls and not contradict themselves in-terms of their own science: Even a small kid with some sense could identify BS in made-up science by simply looking at it.

 

Bose-einstein condensate has a VERY slight amount of energy in it above the absolute minimum, zero point energy is the absolute minimum physically possible, at our current understanding of science this can only exist in vacuums. M theory predicts that its possible that tiny black holes appear and disappear constantly in our own atmosphere, M theory is being increasingly researched, if it was thought of as about to be disproved there wouldn't be more and more time spent to researching it.

 

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science: Furthermore, the science made for the specfic show almsot always contradicts itself: Same with Stargate: It 'yaps(im asuming this means leeches)' energy from an artificially created region of subspace: Firstly, dimensions cannot exist in dimensions, and subspace implies an existence of one particular reality within another, which is BS, and a simple degree in Physics tell you this is impossible: then you call the region of subspace(assuming that such a thing exists, which it couldn't)artifical, so it was made, to extract energy from: This is illogical: Did you make a region of space which took a specific reserve of energy to as a store or did you just waste a sh*t load of electricity to open up an area of space just to extract energy from it, or does this area of space actually create it's own energy? Eh? Seeing the bullsh*t of stargate now?

 Further more, black-holes are unobserval phenomen: It is conventially impossible to create a black-hole, it simply isn't possible.

Back to the ZPM thing, zero-point energy in reality is simply a pet-name for a bose-einstein condensate in string theory: you couldn't hold such a thing in a simple module.

Yes. Science in sci-fi shows like Stargate and Star-Trek are all ridiculous.

Take for example the Tr-corder. What a stupid device. Something you hold in you hand that allows you to talk to people thousands of miles away-how impossible. Oh wait...we have the cell phone now.

Well at least they had their ignorant anti-matter engines. What's that? Anti matter? Stupid people making up words for sci-fi shows...what's that you say? We've since discovered a substance called anti matter actually exists and is a plausible fuel source for deep-space travel? Oh. Dang. Guess sci-fi got that one right too...

But what about the Stargate itself? That's gotta be fake too, right? Yup. There's absolutely no way a wormhole could ever be created...but what's that? Current leading physicists are claiming wormholes occur at the quantum level? And all it would take is a device capable of tapping into those wormholes and expanding them to a large enough size to travel though, not a device that actually generates wormholes from scratch? Oh. Guess that makes the super-conducting Stargates seem kinda possible now...

Well I'm sure you're right and what you said is true. Which is right here to remind you:

 

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science.

Yup. Science-fiction science is never right. How dare they try to engineer the future! 

Before you post something like this next time, just try to stop and think about how much this "BS science fiction" has influenced technological development and then how the technological development has gone back to influence the science fiction shows. Of course these shows aren't always going to get things right: but they often plant the seeds for the very technology you so quickly criticise!

P.S. I UNDERSTAND SCIENCE TOO!

 

xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

jackalo:

Jason X35:

l Slayer l:

I can haz blak hole Generatorz?

Well...the ZPM stands for zero-point module. Which is to say that it yaps energy from an artificially created region of subspace existing outside of both out space and time. So...I guess you could consider this a tiny black hole generator in that taps energy from an alternate reality. But that's the only kind you can have! lol

oh I thought by zero point modules you meant something taking advantage of zero point energy fields.. Whys it called zero point module then?

 AC your ship is slightly less ridiculous.(slightly)

 

It does take advantage of zero point energy fields. Just not in our space. The Ancients decided to make these modules contain regions of subspace to tap the energy from. Basically they just didn't want to mess with the space they were living in...but of course artificially manufacturing space makes things more difficult. I was just metaphorically calling it a black hole generator because it serves as the bridge between these two regions of space and it always siphons energy from this one subspace. Kinda like a black hole siphoning off material in our space.

Metamorphicly? I you kidding me? Did you mean metaphoricly, not metamorphicly? Get yoru words right, you sound like an idiot man. Further, more, galavanting around making subspace(assuming it exists, which it wouldn't) would parell and ultimately effect(most likely F*ck up) massive regions of space: It's just stupid: Using the same logic, it's like unleashing a strain of HIV(which dosen't effect animals or plant/fauna life) onto a massive area of china as opposed to using a nuclear bomb, simply to conserve the local envirement -.'-

Um...pretty sure it says metaphorically on my screen Mr. "yoru words right" (that's quoted from you). Yeah. Mines correct. And you have a dozen or so spelling errors, so don't complain if you misread something.

As far as the subspace is concerned: that's the technology. Since we're talking about FICTION here (though it may be accurate in some cases and be later reflected in developing technologies) I think you need to take a step back and realize we're talking about the lore of these two universe's. Argue as much as you want: the ZPM is defined as tapping energy from a self contained region of subspace in order to prevent problems in the local region of space. Period. As in that's how the show defines it.

And as your name suggests, you are a "Failure" my dear sir.

ZPM is not defined as that my "dear sir(homosexual terminology aside)" I don't care much for spelling, so we may as-well surpass that, and second, i'm simply commenting on the fact that Science-fiction contradicts itself: Furthermroe, that's not how ZPM is defined, as Jackolo can tell you, it's sub-quartient particles excited by a 3rd-party energy source releasing energy(specific type of energy, but i won't go into details). You can't tape a ZPM deposit because most are too small, and those that arn't are impossible(well, thearetically so). Second, subspace can never be made by any-technology, and there is no such thing as a self-contained subspace: Anything which substitues to another thing(which subspace certainly does) can never be self contained)

My shitheaded sir, my 'failure' name is to emphasize the fact I bring failure upon other people, such as yourself, but here it was not needed, because you pretty much crapped on your own head anyway xD

 

ZPM is the thing thats in star trek that takes advantage of ZPE, not other way around. I would also agree with you that no technology will ever be made that could give us access to dimensions outside of our 4, but the thing is it's not technically physically impossible that something could, taking advantage of zero point energy inside them is physically impossible, but once again its a show... They're going to spend more budget into making it interesting than hiring 100 scientists doing ground breaking research to make sure everything they say is accurate.

jackalo:

xXx Failure xXx:

jackalo:

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science: Furthermore, the science made for the specfic show almsot always contradicts itself: Same with Stargate: It 'yaps(im asuming this means leeches)' energy from an artificially created region of subspace: Firstly, dimensions cannot exist in dimensions, and subspace implies an existence of one particular reality within another, which is BS, and a simple degree in Physics tell you this is impossible: then you call the region of subspace(assuming that such a thing exists, which it couldn't)artifical, so it was made, to extract energy from: This is illogical: Did you make a region of space which took a specific reserve of energy to as a store or did you just waste a sh*t load of electricity to open up an area of space just to extract energy from it, or does this area of space actually create it's own energy? Eh? Seeing the bullsh*t of stargate now?

 Further more, black-holes are unobserval phenomen: It is conventially impossible to create a black-hole, it simply isn't possible.

Back to the ZPM thing, zero-point energy in reality is simply a pet-name for a bose-einstein condensate in string theory: you couldn't hold such a thing in a simple module.

If M-theory is correct (which is becoming increasingly more likely it is) then black-holes could be created with sufficiently advanced technology also bose-einstein condensate is not zero-point energy, zero point energy is the energy generated by particles that exist in vacuums.

But you are right about most science in sci-fi things being bollocks, zero point energy is infinite everywhere but to "small" (in simple terms) to be used to power anything and would be even smaller in other dimensions.

 

Though to complain about sci-fi science being bollocks is a bit stupid since it would be pretty expensive to hire scientists to research things just to make a tv show.

A bose-einstein condensate is what accounts for substantial concentrations of zero-point energy(according to M-Theory), and zero-point energy itself is generated by a sub-quartient particles exited by a 3rd party source of energy, or so string theory states, further-more, M-theory suggests that black-holes are impossible to create(To create a black-whole is to either, using the conventional route, would be to pose a massive ammount of matter against itself, generating it's own gravity-well which would engulf itself to the point of black-whole: The more conveniant route would be to collapse a strand of apporpriate string on itself):

M-theory itself is not being glofified ever more: It's just waiting for that last peice of demeaning evidence to knock it from it's perch like so many former theories.

Also, the least they(I mean stupid soap-operas and star-trek style BS)could do is grow some balls and not contradict themselves in-terms of their own science: Even a small kid with some sense could identify BS in made-up science by simply looking at it.

 

Bose-einstein condensate has a VERY slight amount of energy in it above the absolute minimum, zero point energy is the absolute minimum physically possible, at our current understanding of science this can only exist in vacuums. M theory predicts that its possible that tiny black holes appear and disappear constantly in our own atmosphere, M theory is being increasingly researched, if it was thought of as about to be disproved there wouldn't be more and more time spent to researching it.

 

No, a Bose-einstein condensate is the result of bringing a substance to absoloute zero temperature(resulting in unorthodox physical properties, one of which is massive release of ZPM).  Further more, I agree some forms of black-hole(which shouldn't really be called black-holes, and rather FailureIsGoodFoUR Health Holes) are innoculous in our atmosphere, ZPM is not a value of measurement: It is actually the term give to the excitation of sub-quartient matter: It's thereorilised to be in the domain of dark-energy. M-theory itself dosen't go into depth in this feild, but i can understand where you made the misjudgement of being able to create black holes artifically in that sense.

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So I hear you like mudkips....
Yeah, mine totally evolved from a mudkip into a marshchomp when I saw your sister, and totally unevolved back when it saw your mother 0_o

Im not going to quote, but they could always hire a part-time domain expert(a member of the crew who qualifies in the said subject and just clarfifies and confirms everything and anything you do: average wage of one is around 8000 a month.

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So I hear you like mudkips....
Yeah, mine totally evolved from a mudkip into a marshchomp when I saw your sister, and totally unevolved back when it saw your mother 0_o

xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

jackalo:

Jason X35:

l Slayer l:

I can haz blak hole Generatorz?

Well...the ZPM stands for zero-point module. Which is to say that it yaps energy from an artificially created region of subspace existing outside of both out space and time. So...I guess you could consider this a tiny black hole generator in that taps energy from an alternate reality. But that's the only kind you can have! lol

oh I thought by zero point modules you meant something taking advantage of zero point energy fields.. Whys it called zero point module then?

 AC your ship is slightly less ridiculous.(slightly)

 

It does take advantage of zero point energy fields. Just not in our space. The Ancients decided to make these modules contain regions of subspace to tap the energy from. Basically they just didn't want to mess with the space they were living in...but of course artificially manufacturing space makes things more difficult. I was just metaphorically calling it a black hole generator because it serves as the bridge between these two regions of space and it always siphons energy from this one subspace. Kinda like a black hole siphoning off material in our space.

Metamorphicly? I you kidding me? Did you mean metaphoricly, not metamorphicly? Get yoru words right, you sound like an idiot man. Further, more, galavanting around making subspace(assuming it exists, which it wouldn't) would parell and ultimately effect(most likely F*ck up) massive regions of space: It's just stupid: Using the same logic, it's like unleashing a strain of HIV(which dosen't effect animals or plant/fauna life) onto a massive area of china as opposed to using a nuclear bomb, simply to conserve the local envirement -.'-

Um...pretty sure it says metaphorically on my screen Mr. "yoru words right" (that's quoted from you). Yeah. Mines correct. And you have a dozen or so spelling errors, so don't complain if you misread something.

As far as the subspace is concerned: that's the technology. Since we're talking about FICTION here (though it may be accurate in some cases and be later reflected in developing technologies) I think you need to take a step back and realize we're talking about the lore of these two universe's. Argue as much as you want: the ZPM is defined as tapping energy from a self contained region of subspace in order to prevent problems in the local region of space. Period. As in that's how the show defines it.

And as your name suggests, you are a "Failure" my dear sir.

ZPM is not defined as that my "dear sir(homosexual terminology aside)" I don't care much for spelling, so we may as-well surpass that, and second, i'm simply commenting on the fact that Science-fiction contradicts itself: Furthermroe, that's not how ZPM is defined, as Jackolo can tell you, it's sub-quartient particles excited by a 3rd-party energy source releasing energy(specific type of energy, but i won't go into details). You can't tape a ZPM deposit because most are too small, and those that arn't are impossible(well, thearetically so). Second, subspace can never be made by any-technology, and there is no such thing as a self-contained subspace: Anything which substitues to another thing(which subspace certainly does) can never be self contained)

My shitheaded sir, my 'failure' name is to emphasize the fact I bring failure upon other people, such as yourself, but here it was not needed, because you pretty much crapped on your own head anyway xD

Let me go slowly so you can understand this: STARGATE ATLANTIS IS NOT REAL. It's actually this nifty thing called FICTION. The description of the ZPM I have described is therefore NOT REAL. In other words, it's FICTIONAL. I understand you're describing zero point energy in real space...but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the FICTIONAL ZPM as defined by Stargate Atlantis...which, again, I've described correctly.

Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science: Furthermore, the science made for the specfic show almsot always contradicts itself: Same with Stargate: It 'yaps(im asuming this means leeches)' energy from an artificially created region of subspace: Firstly, dimensions cannot exist in dimensions, and subspace implies an existence of one particular reality within another, which is BS, and a simple degree in Physics tell you this is impossible: then you call the region of subspace(assuming that such a thing exists, which it couldn't)artifical, so it was made, to extract energy from: This is illogical: Did you make a region of space which took a specific reserve of energy to as a store or did you just waste a sh*t load of electricity to open up an area of space just to extract energy from it, or does this area of space actually create it's own energy? Eh? Seeing the bullsh*t of stargate now?

 Further more, black-holes are unobserval phenomen: It is conventially impossible to create a black-hole, it simply isn't possible.

Back to the ZPM thing, zero-point energy in reality is simply a pet-name for a bose-einstein condensate in string theory: you couldn't hold such a thing in a simple module.

Yes. Science in sci-fi shows like Stargate and Star-Trek are all ridiculous.

Take for example the Tr-corder. What a stupid device. Something you hold in you hand that allows you to talk to people thousands of miles away-how impossible. Oh wait...we have the cell phone now.

Well at least they had their ignorant anti-matter engines. What's that? Anti matter? Stupid people making up words for sci-fi shows...what's that you say? We've since discovered a substance called anti matter actually exists and is a plausible fuel source for deep-space travel? Oh. Dang. Guess sci-fi got that one right too...

But what about the Stargate itself? That's gotta be fake too, right? Yup. There's absolutely no way a wormhole could ever be created...but what's that? Current leading physicists are claiming wormholes occur at the quantum level? And all it would take is a device capable of tapping into those wormholes and expanding them to a large enough size to travel though, not a device that actually generates wormholes from scratch? Oh. Guess that makes the super-conducting Stargates seem kinda possible now...

Well I'm sure you're right and what you said is true. Which is right here to remind you:

 

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science.

Yup. Science-fiction science is never right. How dare they try to engineer the future! 

Before you post something like this next time, just try to stop and think about how much this "BS science fiction" has influenced technological development and then how the technological development has gone back to influence the science fiction shows. Of course these shows aren't always going to get things right: but they often plant the seeds for the very technology you so quickly criticise!

P.S. I UNDERSTAND SCIENCE TOO!

 

Quite the contrary: Science fiction has been influenced by science and technological development: Very little is inspired by the idiotic rants of stupid retards on a second-rate crap animation-and-special effects soap-opera.

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So I hear you like mudkips....
Yeah, mine totally evolved from a mudkip into a marshchomp when I saw your sister, and totally unevolved back when it saw your mother 0_o

Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:

Jason X35:

jackalo:

Jason X35:

l Slayer l:

I can haz blak hole Generatorz?

Well...the ZPM stands for zero-point module. Which is to say that it yaps energy from an artificially created region of subspace existing outside of both out space and time. So...I guess you could consider this a tiny black hole generator in that taps energy from an alternate reality. But that's the only kind you can have! lol

oh I thought by zero point modules you meant something taking advantage of zero point energy fields.. Whys it called zero point module then?

 AC your ship is slightly less ridiculous.(slightly)

 

It does take advantage of zero point energy fields. Just not in our space. The Ancients decided to make these modules contain regions of subspace to tap the energy from. Basically they just didn't want to mess with the space they were living in...but of course artificially manufacturing space makes things more difficult. I was just metaphorically calling it a black hole generator because it serves as the bridge between these two regions of space and it always siphons energy from this one subspace. Kinda like a black hole siphoning off material in our space.

Metamorphicly? I you kidding me? Did you mean metaphoricly, not metamorphicly? Get yoru words right, you sound like an idiot man. Further, more, galavanting around making subspace(assuming it exists, which it wouldn't) would parell and ultimately effect(most likely F*ck up) massive regions of space: It's just stupid: Using the same logic, it's like unleashing a strain of HIV(which dosen't effect animals or plant/fauna life) onto a massive area of china as opposed to using a nuclear bomb, simply to conserve the local envirement -.'-

Um...pretty sure it says metaphorically on my screen Mr. "yoru words right" (that's quoted from you). Yeah. Mines correct. And you have a dozen or so spelling errors, so don't complain if you misread something.

As far as the subspace is concerned: that's the technology. Since we're talking about FICTION here (though it may be accurate in some cases and be later reflected in developing technologies) I think you need to take a step back and realize we're talking about the lore of these two universe's. Argue as much as you want: the ZPM is defined as tapping energy from a self contained region of subspace in order to prevent problems in the local region of space. Period. As in that's how the show defines it.

And as your name suggests, you are a "Failure" my dear sir.

ZPM is not defined as that my "dear sir(homosexual terminology aside)" I don't care much for spelling, so we may as-well surpass that, and second, i'm simply commenting on the fact that Science-fiction contradicts itself: Furthermroe, that's not how ZPM is defined, as Jackolo can tell you, it's sub-quartient particles excited by a 3rd-party energy source releasing energy(specific type of energy, but i won't go into details). You can't tape a ZPM deposit because most are too small, and those that arn't are impossible(well, thearetically so). Second, subspace can never be made by any-technology, and there is no such thing as a self-contained subspace: Anything which substitues to another thing(which subspace certainly does) can never be self contained)

My shitheaded sir, my 'failure' name is to emphasize the fact I bring failure upon other people, such as yourself, but here it was not needed, because you pretty much crapped on your own head anyway xD

Let me go slowly so you can understand this: STARGATE ATLANTIS IS NOT REAL. It's actually this nifty thing called FICTION. The description of the ZPM I have described is therefore NOT REAL. In other words, it's FICTIONAL. I understand you're describing zero point energy in real space...but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the FICTIONAL ZPM as defined by Stargate Atlantis...which, again, I've described correctly.

You sure seemed to imply that you were describing real-space, which is why I reacted: My apologies, but next time make precautions to make it more evident in what you're reffering to.

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So I hear you like mudkips....
Yeah, mine totally evolved from a mudkip into a marshchomp when I saw your sister, and totally unevolved back when it saw your mother 0_o

Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science: Furthermore, the science made for the specfic show almsot always contradicts itself: Same with Stargate: It 'yaps(im asuming this means leeches)' energy from an artificially created region of subspace: Firstly, dimensions cannot exist in dimensions, and subspace implies an existence of one particular reality within another, which is BS, and a simple degree in Physics tell you this is impossible: then you call the region of subspace(assuming that such a thing exists, which it couldn't)artifical, so it was made, to extract energy from: This is illogical: Did you make a region of space which took a specific reserve of energy to as a store or did you just waste a sh*t load of electricity to open up an area of space just to extract energy from it, or does this area of space actually create it's own energy? Eh? Seeing the bullsh*t of stargate now?

 Further more, black-holes are unobserval phenomen: It is conventially impossible to create a black-hole, it simply isn't possible.

Back to the ZPM thing, zero-point energy in reality is simply a pet-name for a bose-einstein condensate in string theory: you couldn't hold such a thing in a simple module.

Yes. Science in sci-fi shows like Stargate and Star-Trek are all ridiculous.

Take for example the Tr-corder. What a stupid device. Something you hold in you hand that allows you to talk to people thousands of miles away-how impossible. Oh wait...we have the cell phone now.

Well at least they had their ignorant anti-matter engines. What's that? Anti matter? Stupid people making up words for sci-fi shows...what's that you say? We've since discovered a substance called anti matter actually exists and is a plausible fuel source for deep-space travel? Oh. Dang. Guess sci-fi got that one right too...

 

 anti-matter was discovered before star trek, also even if it wasn't just because its named the same doesn't mean its accurate.

But what about the Stargate itself? That's gotta be fake too, right? Yup. There's absolutely no way a wormhole could ever be created...but what's that? Current leading physicists are claiming wormholes occur at the quantum level? And all it would take is a device capable of tapping into those wormholes and expanding them to a large enough size to travel though, not a device that actually generates wormholes from scratch? Oh. Guess that makes the super-conducting Stargates seem kinda possible now...

 

the problem with wormholes isn't generating them, its keeping them stable, wormholes break themselves up instantly.

Well I'm sure you're right and what you said is true. Which is right here to remind you:

 

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science.

Yup. Science-fiction science is never right. How dare they try to engineer the future! 

Before you post something like this next time, just try to stop and think about how much this "BS science fiction" has influenced technological development and then how the technological development has gone back to influence the science fiction shows. Of course these shows aren't always going to get things right: but they often plant the seeds for the very technology you so quickly criticise!

sci-fi doesn't influence technological development, no one ever watches star-trek and goes " you know what, I'll go and do what they do in star trek"

 

 

but once again, it doesn't matter if sci-fi is wrong, they're tv shows! They don't claim to be accurate. 

jackalo:

Jason X35:

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science: Furthermore, the science made for the specfic show almsot always contradicts itself: Same with Stargate: It 'yaps(im asuming this means leeches)' energy from an artificially created region of subspace: Firstly, dimensions cannot exist in dimensions, and subspace implies an existence of one particular reality within another, which is BS, and a simple degree in Physics tell you this is impossible: then you call the region of subspace(assuming that such a thing exists, which it couldn't)artifical, so it was made, to extract energy from: This is illogical: Did you make a region of space which took a specific reserve of energy to as a store or did you just waste a sh*t load of electricity to open up an area of space just to extract energy from it, or does this area of space actually create it's own energy? Eh? Seeing the bullsh*t of stargate now?

 Further more, black-holes are unobserval phenomen: It is conventially impossible to create a black-hole, it simply isn't possible.

Back to the ZPM thing, zero-point energy in reality is simply a pet-name for a bose-einstein condensate in string theory: you couldn't hold such a thing in a simple module.

Yes. Science in sci-fi shows like Stargate and Star-Trek are all ridiculous.

Take for example the Tr-corder. What a stupid device. Something you hold in you hand that allows you to talk to people thousands of miles away-how impossible. Oh wait...we have the cell phone now.

Well at least they had their ignorant anti-matter engines. What's that? Anti matter? Stupid people making up words for sci-fi shows...what's that you say? We've since discovered a substance called anti matter actually exists and is a plausible fuel source for deep-space travel? Oh. Dang. Guess sci-fi got that one right too...

 

 anti-matter was discovered before star trek, also even if it wasn't just because its named the same doesn't mean its accurate.

But what about the Stargate itself? That's gotta be fake too, right? Yup. There's absolutely no way a wormhole could ever be created...but what's that? Current leading physicists are claiming wormholes occur at the quantum level? And all it would take is a device capable of tapping into those wormholes and expanding them to a large enough size to travel though, not a device that actually generates wormholes from scratch? Oh. Guess that makes the super-conducting Stargates seem kinda possible now...

 

the problem with wormholes isn't generating them, its keeping them stable, wormholes break themselves up instantly.

Well I'm sure you're right and what you said is true. Which is right here to remind you:

 

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science.

Yup. Science-fiction science is never right. How dare they try to engineer the future! 

Before you post something like this next time, just try to stop and think about how much this "BS science fiction" has influenced technological development and then how the technological development has gone back to influence the science fiction shows. Of course these shows aren't always going to get things right: but they often plant the seeds for the very technology you so quickly criticise!

sci-fi doesn't influence technological development, no one ever watches star-trek and goes " you know what, I'll go and do what they do in star trek"

 

 

but once again, it doesn't matter if sci-fi is wrong, they're tv shows! They don't claim to be accurate. 

But it would be respectful to the scientific community if they did *dumps a load in Star-gate face* Ahh, that's better

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xXx Failure xXx:Im not going to quote, but they could always hire a part-time domain expert(a member of the crew who qualifies in the said subject and just clarfifies and confirms everything and anything you do: average wage of one is around 8000 a month.

That's an option, sure, but most TV shows honestly just don't care. They'd rather make an interesting show than one that's perfectly accurate in the scientific sense.

Also, there's the development delay. Between the time that the script is written and the show airs on the TV, months have passed. A matter of months can make a huge difference in the world of science. Heck, Einstein changed the way the world looked at the universe in about a year...that being said, can a TV show ever be accurate? All they can do is guess and stick with what they have in order to keep it simple.

xXx Failure xXx:

jackalo:

xXx Failure xXx:

jackalo:

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science: Furthermore, the science made for the specfic show almsot always contradicts itself: Same with Stargate: It 'yaps(im asuming this means leeches)' energy from an artificially created region of subspace: Firstly, dimensions cannot exist in dimensions, and subspace implies an existence of one particular reality within another, which is BS, and a simple degree in Physics tell you this is impossible: then you call the region of subspace(assuming that such a thing exists, which it couldn't)artifical, so it was made, to extract energy from: This is illogical: Did you make a region of space which took a specific reserve of energy to as a store or did you just waste a sh*t load of electricity to open up an area of space just to extract energy from it, or does this area of space actually create it's own energy? Eh? Seeing the bullsh*t of stargate now?

 Further more, black-holes are unobserval phenomen: It is conventially impossible to create a black-hole, it simply isn't possible.

Back to the ZPM thing, zero-point energy in reality is simply a pet-name for a bose-einstein condensate in string theory: you couldn't hold such a thing in a simple module.

If M-theory is correct (which is becoming increasingly more likely it is) then black-holes could be created with sufficiently advanced technology also bose-einstein condensate is not zero-point energy, zero point energy is the energy generated by particles that exist in vacuums.

But you are right about most science in sci-fi things being bollocks, zero point energy is infinite everywhere but to "small" (in simple terms) to be used to power anything and would be even smaller in other dimensions.

 

Though to complain about sci-fi science being bollocks is a bit stupid since it would be pretty expensive to hire scientists to research things just to make a tv show.

A bose-einstein condensate is what accounts for substantial concentrations of zero-point energy(according to M-Theory), and zero-point energy itself is generated by a sub-quartient particles exited by a 3rd party source of energy, or so string theory states, further-more, M-theory suggests that black-holes are impossible to create(To create a black-whole is to either, using the conventional route, would be to pose a massive ammount of matter against itself, generating it's own gravity-well which would engulf itself to the point of black-whole: The more conveniant route would be to collapse a strand of apporpriate string on itself):

M-theory itself is not being glofified ever more: It's just waiting for that last peice of demeaning evidence to knock it from it's perch like so many former theories.

Also, the least they(I mean stupid soap-operas and star-trek style BS)could do is grow some balls and not contradict themselves in-terms of their own science: Even a small kid with some sense could identify BS in made-up science by simply looking at it.

 

Bose-einstein condensate has a VERY slight amount of energy in it above the absolute minimum, zero point energy is the absolute minimum physically possible, at our current understanding of science this can only exist in vacuums. M theory predicts that its possible that tiny black holes appear and disappear constantly in our own atmosphere, M theory is being increasingly researched, if it was thought of as about to be disproved there wouldn't be more and more time spent to researching it.

 

No, a Bose-einstein condensate is the result of bringing a substance to absoloute zero temperature(resulting in unorthodox physical properties, one of which is massive release of ZPM).  Further more, I agree some forms of black-hole(which shouldn't really be called black-holes, and rather FailureIsGoodFoUR Health Holes) are innoculous in our atmosphere, ZPM is not a value of measurement: It is actually the term give to the excitation of sub-quartient matter: It's thereorilised to be in the domain of dark-energy. M-theory itself dosen't go into depth in this feild, but i can understand where you made the misjudgement of being able to create black holes artifically in that sense.

 ZPM is not real ZPM is the thing in star trek, ZPE is the real thing. Bose-einstein condensate is (normally)VERY slightly above absolute zero( infact it can actually exist at room temperature http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v443/n7110/abs/nature05117.html). If M-theory is correct you can create tiny black holes artificially in the same way that they are created in our atmosphere, through incredible speeds.