[url=http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/ZPM_powered_Hive_Ship] This [/url] VS the UNSC fleet pre- and/or post-Halo 3.

OR

3 of them vs UNSC/Covenant fleet [joint operation] pre-H1 and post-H3.

 

Forerunner Dreadnought is disqualified. Same w/the Halo Rings.

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[url=http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/ZPM_powered_Hive_Ship] This [/url] VS the UNSC fleet pre- and/or post-Halo 3.

OR

3 of them vs UNSC/Covenant fleet [joint operation] pre-H1 and post-H3.

 

Forerunner Dreadnought is disqualified. Same w/the Halo Rings.

It depends on how long the ZPM has had to modify the ship's systems. If given the time for the full shipwaide "mutation" (as I'll refer to it) to occur, then nothing short of a salvo of Mac rounds could puncture the Hive Ship's hull. If the Wraith ship was discovered before then...it's much more likely the UNSC would win.

Interestingly, the Wraith don't have precise long-range sensors, so it would be hard for them to determine if they were moving in to a trap. And even partially upgraded their traveling distance in hyperspace is limited. Remember, they were *ambushed (asterisked because of the huge failure of the ambush) halfway between the Pegasus and Milky Way en-route to Earth by the Apollo and the...whatever that Chinese ship is. (The Sun something...) You'll have to forgive me on specifics like that. I'm working from memory here.

While we're at the beginning of this conversation, let's ban some other things. For the UNSC, the NOVA Bomb. Simply put, there was only one and it was already detonated. For the Stargate fans, the super-weapon on Dakara and the Ancients. Let's just try to keep the playing field open to ships and tactical decisions this time. What do you think AC Matt Klassen?

Jason X35:

AC Matt Klassen:

[url=http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/ZPM_powered_Hive_Ship] This [/url] VS the UNSC fleet pre- and/or post-Halo 3.

OR

3 of them vs UNSC/Covenant fleet [joint operation] pre-H1 and post-H3.

 

Forerunner Dreadnought is disqualified. Same w/the Halo Rings.

It depends on how long the ZPM has had to modify the ship's systems. If given the time for the full shipwaide "mutation" (as I'll refer to it) to occur, then nothing short of a salvo of Mac rounds could puncture the Hive Ship's hull. If the Wraith ship was discovered before then...it's much more likely the UNSC would win.

Interestingly, the Wraith don't have precise long-range sensors, so it would be hard for them to determine if they were moving in to a trap. And even partially upgraded their traveling distance in hyperspace is limited. Remember, they were *ambushed (asterisked because of the huge failure of the ambush) halfway between the Pegasus and Milky Way en-route to Earth by the Apollo and the...whatever that Chinese ship is. (The Sun something...) You'll have to forgive me on specifics like that. I'm working from memory here.

While we're at the beginning of this conversation, let's ban some other things. For the UNSC, the NOVA Bomb. Simply put, there was only one and it was already detonated. For the Stargate fans, the super-weapon on Dakara and the Ancients. Let's just try to keep the playing field open to ships and tactical decisions this time. What do you think AC Matt Klassen?

1) ZPM hive is fully upgraded, OR it could be 90%/95% upgraded when the UNSC discover it for added suspense...

2) The ships that tried to ambush the hive [and got roflstomped] were the Apollo and Sun Tzu.

3) I agree. UBERweapons [planet-killing and above] are BS.

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Supreme Commander Matt Klassen, captain of the Devastator-class ship Enlightened.

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Jason X35:

AC Matt Klassen:

[url=http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/ZPM_powered_Hive_Ship] This [/url] VS the UNSC fleet pre- and/or post-Halo 3.

OR

3 of them vs UNSC/Covenant fleet [joint operation] pre-H1 and post-H3.

 

Forerunner Dreadnought is disqualified. Same w/the Halo Rings.

It depends on how long the ZPM has had to modify the ship's systems. If given the time for the full shipwaide "mutation" (as I'll refer to it) to occur, then nothing short of a salvo of Mac rounds could puncture the Hive Ship's hull. If the Wraith ship was discovered before then...it's much more likely the UNSC would win.

Interestingly, the Wraith don't have precise long-range sensors, so it would be hard for them to determine if they were moving in to a trap. And even partially upgraded their traveling distance in hyperspace is limited. Remember, they were *ambushed (asterisked because of the huge failure of the ambush) halfway between the Pegasus and Milky Way en-route to Earth by the Apollo and the...whatever that Chinese ship is. (The Sun something...) You'll have to forgive me on specifics like that. I'm working from memory here.

While we're at the beginning of this conversation, let's ban some other things. For the UNSC, the NOVA Bomb. Simply put, there was only one and it was already detonated. For the Stargate fans, the super-weapon on Dakara and the Ancients. Let's just try to keep the playing field open to ships and tactical decisions this time. What do you think AC Matt Klassen?

1) ZPM hive is fully upgraded, OR it could be 90%/95% upgraded when the UNSC discover it for added suspense...

2) The ships that tried to ambush the hive [and got roflstomped] were the Apollo and Sun Tzu.

3) I agree. UBERweapons [planet-killing and above] are BS.

Okay. If the ZPM has fully upgarded the systems then I favor the Wraith. In my opinion, they have at least an 85% chance of beating most fleets. 

The only thing I don't understand: doesn't it seem like when the ZPM was installed in the Wraith it made it way stronger than an Atlantean ship with the ZPM? Perhaps I'm mistaken and no Atlantean ship was seen in the series with a ZPM...but how does that make sense? Shouldn't the Ancient technology better utilize the Ancient power source?

Jason X35:

AC Matt Klassen:

Jason X35:

AC Matt Klassen:

[url=http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/ZPM_powered_Hive_Ship] This [/url] VS the UNSC fleet pre- and/or post-Halo 3.

OR

3 of them vs UNSC/Covenant fleet [joint operation] pre-H1 and post-H3.

 

Forerunner Dreadnought is disqualified. Same w/the Halo Rings.

It depends on how long the ZPM has had to modify the ship's systems. If given the time for the full shipwaide "mutation" (as I'll refer to it) to occur, then nothing short of a salvo of Mac rounds could puncture the Hive Ship's hull. If the Wraith ship was discovered before then...it's much more likely the UNSC would win.

Interestingly, the Wraith don't have precise long-range sensors, so it would be hard for them to determine if they were moving in to a trap. And even partially upgraded their traveling distance in hyperspace is limited. Remember, they were *ambushed (asterisked because of the huge failure of the ambush) halfway between the Pegasus and Milky Way en-route to Earth by the Apollo and the...whatever that Chinese ship is. (The Sun something...) You'll have to forgive me on specifics like that. I'm working from memory here.

While we're at the beginning of this conversation, let's ban some other things. For the UNSC, the NOVA Bomb. Simply put, there was only one and it was already detonated. For the Stargate fans, the super-weapon on Dakara and the Ancients. Let's just try to keep the playing field open to ships and tactical decisions this time. What do you think AC Matt Klassen?

1) ZPM hive is fully upgraded, OR it could be 90%/95% upgraded when the UNSC discover it for added suspense...

2) The ships that tried to ambush the hive [and got roflstomped] were the Apollo and Sun Tzu.

3) I agree. UBERweapons [planet-killing and above] are BS.

Okay. If the ZPM has fully upgarded the systems then I favor the Wraith. In my opinion, they have at least an 85% chance of beating most fleets. 

The only thing I don't understand: doesn't it seem like when the ZPM was installed in the Wraith it made it way stronger than an Atlantean ship with the ZPM? Perhaps I'm mistaken and no Atlantean ship was seen in the series with a ZPM...but how does that make sense? Shouldn't the Ancient technology better utilize the Ancient power source?

1) lol. the UNSC would get stomped, but probably would...inflict minimal/medium damage on the hive...which would then heal over fast...

3 ZPM hives vs. the combined forces of the UNSC and Covenant [banning the superweapons]... who would win that?

 

2) There was Atlantis. :)

Remember, the Wraith had 10,000 years to advance after the battle with the Ancients [Who *** themselves over by not treating the Wraith as a credible threat until they were getting swarmed...just like the Forerunners...]. Who knows, there might even been ZPM hives flying around hundreds of years after the war had ended...

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Supreme Commander Matt Klassen, captain of the Devastator-class ship Enlightened.

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AC Matt Klassen:

Forerunner Dreadnought is disqualified. Same w/the Halo Rings.

Stargate tier 10 and below technologies are disqualified.

 

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Jason X35:

AC Matt Klassen:

Jason X35:

AC Matt Klassen:

[url=http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/ZPM_powered_Hive_Ship] This [/url] VS the UNSC fleet pre- and/or post-Halo 3.

OR

3 of them vs UNSC/Covenant fleet [joint operation] pre-H1 and post-H3.

 

Forerunner Dreadnought is disqualified. Same w/the Halo Rings.

It depends on how long the ZPM has had to modify the ship's systems. If given the time for the full shipwaide "mutation" (as I'll refer to it) to occur, then nothing short of a salvo of Mac rounds could puncture the Hive Ship's hull. If the Wraith ship was discovered before then...it's much more likely the UNSC would win.

Interestingly, the Wraith don't have precise long-range sensors, so it would be hard for them to determine if they were moving in to a trap. And even partially upgraded their traveling distance in hyperspace is limited. Remember, they were *ambushed (asterisked because of the huge failure of the ambush) halfway between the Pegasus and Milky Way en-route to Earth by the Apollo and the...whatever that Chinese ship is. (The Sun something...) You'll have to forgive me on specifics like that. I'm working from memory here.

While we're at the beginning of this conversation, let's ban some other things. For the UNSC, the NOVA Bomb. Simply put, there was only one and it was already detonated. For the Stargate fans, the super-weapon on Dakara and the Ancients. Let's just try to keep the playing field open to ships and tactical decisions this time. What do you think AC Matt Klassen?

1) ZPM hive is fully upgraded, OR it could be 90%/95% upgraded when the UNSC discover it for added suspense...

2) The ships that tried to ambush the hive [and got roflstomped] were the Apollo and Sun Tzu.

3) I agree. UBERweapons [planet-killing and above] are BS.

Okay. If the ZPM has fully upgarded the systems then I favor the Wraith. In my opinion, they have at least an 85% chance of beating most fleets. 

The only thing I don't understand: doesn't it seem like when the ZPM was installed in the Wraith it made it way stronger than an Atlantean ship with the ZPM? Perhaps I'm mistaken and no Atlantean ship was seen in the series with a ZPM...but how does that make sense? Shouldn't the Ancient technology better utilize the Ancient power source?

1) lol. the UNSC would get stomped, but probably would...inflict minimal/medium damage on the hive...which would then heal over fast...

3 ZPM hives vs. the combined forces of the UNSC and Covenant [banning the superweapons]... who would win that?

 

2) There was Atlantis. :)

Remember, the Wraith had 10,000 years to advance after the battle with the Ancients [Who *** themselves over by not treating the Wraith as a credible threat until they were getting swarmed...just like the Forerunners...]. Who knows, there might even been ZPM hives flying around hundreds of years after the war had ended...

1.) UNSC vs. Hives. No doubt in my mind now the hives would winUNSC. I just re-read the original post and noticed you said three hives...yeah. The UNSC are screwed.

2.) UNSC/Covenant vs. Hives. Honestly, I think this one would be a stalemate. I should probably refresh my memory and look this up, but I don't think the ZPM significantly upgraded the weapons of the hive ship. Therefore, I think the Covenant shields would hold against the Wraith weapons for a considerable amount of time (the UNSC ships would be destroyed quickly though), and since there are still a significant amount of Covenant ships I think they would rotate the ships and repair their shields. Likewise, the Covenant weapons wouldn't be able to penetrate the Hive's hull...interesting. In the long run I think the Wraith would live though because they could feed off of each other or enter suspended animation and leave a skeleton crew to pick off the Covenant one by one...

Oh yeah...can anyone else jump in to this discussion? All you have to do is read one wikipedia article or watch two episodes to understand the opposition. It would be nice to have a dissenting viewpoint on this battle. :)

I can haz blak hole Generatorz?

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l Slayer l:

I can haz blak hole Generatorz?

Well...the ZPM stands for zero-point module. Which is to say that it yaps energy from an artificially created region of subspace existing outside of both out space and time. So...I guess you could consider this a tiny black hole generator in that taps energy from an alternate reality. But that's the only kind you can have! lol

Jason X35:

l Slayer l:

I can haz blak hole Generatorz?

Well...the ZPM stands for zero-point module. Which is to say that it yaps energy from an artificially created region of subspace existing outside of both out space and time. So...I guess you could consider this a tiny black hole generator in that taps energy from an alternate reality. But that's the only kind you can have! lol

oh I thought by zero point modules you meant something taking advantage of zero point energy fields.. Whys it called zero point module then?

 AC your ship is slightly less ridiculous.(slightly)

 

jackalo:

Jason X35:

l Slayer l:

I can haz blak hole Generatorz?

Well...the ZPM stands for zero-point module. Which is to say that it yaps energy from an artificially created region of subspace existing outside of both out space and time. So...I guess you could consider this a tiny black hole generator in that taps energy from an alternate reality. But that's the only kind you can have! lol

oh I thought by zero point modules you meant something taking advantage of zero point energy fields.. Whys it called zero point module then?

 AC your ship is slightly less ridiculous.(slightly)

 

It does take advantage of zero point energy fields. Just not in our space. The Ancients decided to make these modules contain regions of subspace to tap the energy from. Basically they just didn't want to mess with the space they were living in...but of course artificially manufacturing space makes things more difficult. I was just metaphorically calling it a black hole generator because it serves as the bridge between these two regions of space and it always siphons energy from this one subspace. Kinda like a black hole siphoning off material in our space.

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science: Furthermore, the science made for the specfic show almsot always contradicts itself: Same with Stargate: It 'yaps(im asuming this means leeches)' energy from an artificially created region of subspace: Firstly, dimensions cannot exist in dimensions, and subspace implies an existence of one particular reality within another, which is BS, and a simple degree in Physics tell you this is impossible: then you call the region of subspace(assuming that such a thing exists, which it couldn't)artifical, so it was made, to extract energy from: This is illogical: Did you make a region of space which took a specific reserve of energy to as a store or did you just waste a sh*t load of electricity to open up an area of space just to extract energy from it, or does this area of space actually create it's own energy? Eh? Seeing the bullsh*t of stargate now?

 Further more, black-holes are unobserval phenomen: It is conventially impossible to create a black-hole, it simply isn't possible.

Back to the ZPM thing, zero-point energy in reality is simply a pet-name for a bose-einstein condensate in string theory: you couldn't hold such a thing in a simple module.

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Jason X35:

jackalo:

Jason X35:

l Slayer l:

I can haz blak hole Generatorz?

Well...the ZPM stands for zero-point module. Which is to say that it yaps energy from an artificially created region of subspace existing outside of both out space and time. So...I guess you could consider this a tiny black hole generator in that taps energy from an alternate reality. But that's the only kind you can have! lol

oh I thought by zero point modules you meant something taking advantage of zero point energy fields.. Whys it called zero point module then?

 AC your ship is slightly less ridiculous.(slightly)

 

It does take advantage of zero point energy fields. Just not in our space. The Ancients decided to make these modules contain regions of subspace to tap the energy from. Basically they just didn't want to mess with the space they were living in...but of course artificially manufacturing space makes things more difficult. I was just metaphorically calling it a black hole generator because it serves as the bridge between these two regions of space and it always siphons energy from this one subspace. Kinda like a black hole siphoning off material in our space.

Metamorphicly? I you kidding me? Did you mean metaphoricly, not metamorphicly? Get yoru words right, you sound like an idiot man. Further, more, galavanting around making subspace(assuming it exists, which it wouldn't) would parell and ultimately effect(most likely F*ck up) massive regions of space: It's just stupid: Using the same logic, it's like unleashing a strain of HIV(which dosen't effect animals or plant/fauna life) onto a massive area of china as opposed to using a nuclear bomb, simply to conserve the local envirement -.'-

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Yeah, mine totally evolved from a mudkip into a marshchomp when I saw your sister, and totally unevolved back when it saw your mother 0_o

xXx Failure xXx:

I understand science, and I would have to say almost all coined science in science-fiction BS like stargate is ALWAYS unloyal to real-term science: Furthermore, the science made for the specfic show almsot always contradicts itself: Same with Stargate: It 'yaps(im asuming this means leeches)' energy from an artificially created region of subspace: Firstly, dimensions cannot exist in dimensions, and subspace implies an existence of one particular reality within another, which is BS, and a simple degree in Physics tell you this is impossible: then you call the region of subspace(assuming that such a thing exists, which it couldn't)artifical, so it was made, to extract energy from: This is illogical: Did you make a region of space which took a specific reserve of energy to as a store or did you just waste a sh*t load of electricity to open up an area of space just to extract energy from it, or does this area of space actually create it's own energy? Eh? Seeing the bullsh*t of stargate now?

 Further more, black-holes are unobserval phenomen: It is conventially impossible to create a black-hole, it simply isn't possible.

Back to the ZPM thing, zero-point energy in reality is simply a pet-name for a bose-einstein condensate in string theory: you couldn't hold such a thing in a simple module.

If M-theory is correct (which is becoming increasingly more likely it is) then black-holes could be created with sufficiently advanced technology also bose-einstein condensate is not zero-point energy, a zero point energy field is the energy generated by particles that exist in vacuums, zero point energy is the lowest possible amount of energy something can have.

But you are right about most science in sci-fi things being bollocks, zero point energy is infinite everywhere but to "small" (in simple terms) to be used to power anything and would be even smaller in other dimensions.

 

Though to complain about sci-fi science being bollocks is a bit stupid since it would be pretty expensive to hire scientists to research things just to make a tv show.