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Who the f*ck are these guys, and how the Hell did they beat us twice?

- http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsGame.aspx?Id=55864066-8480-3369-7090-000000000000

We rush Prophet, as his leader is fail-ass the entire game in general. Kicked his face in so hard, when I looked back at my base he had a shield-gen and a temple. Suddenly, five unupgraded brute pairs tore down my base and that was the game-winning move. What'd they do that match? Spammed *** infantry. How the HELL did that work?! This one didn't hurt so much, because Tdub168 built an assload of 'Shees and threw them over to smoke green's base and then he resigned to avoid giving them too many points over himself.

- http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsGame.aspx?Id=12844488-7396-3710-3575-000000000000

We kicked the prophet's face so hard, he was down to a shield gen and a temple. I pull back, we were expecting them to either spam infantry again, or build double UNSC tank spam and Covie air-spam like normal people at the TS we were searching at. We demolished Prophet to where he could only build EHGs, then I recalled to fight off that attack (the 11 EHGs were his 'rush') with Fuzz's non-canny tanks. Then, a few minutes later, we were prepped for friggin' tanks. Suddenly mass air swoops in and I resigned. I had eight banshees after fighting off a scouting party on Fuzz's expansion, was just entering T2 after having to unleash the banshees from lock-down to pew-pew the EHGs because they were swarming the tanks and stopping them from moving. They shut down Fuzz's first expansion, then shot down the second one. Tdub moved his hunters and grunts in just to see he couldn't even touch them. So, resign later.

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How the Hell is it that strats prepped to at least give higher level players a bit of a fight (at the most) gets beaten by what looks like absolute jury-rigging and a bit of smoke and mirrors? Seriously? The first game, unbeknown to us, there was an army of grunts from the prophet (the rear-end of whom we surgically grafted to his face early-game) on top of the ODSTs that were swarming into Pelicans to go around and save that last base of green's because he didn't seem to think Cutter would benefit from an expansion, but Brute and Prophet definitely would. How am I supposed to go against someone who pulls a random tactic out of his ass and have it work?

TL;DR - Is there any kind of way to sure-fire outdo people that do absolutely retarded tactics but spam the Hell out of it to where you can't do anything against it?

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Arbiter = <3

hangingbaskets:

off topic,

but vampires are a great counter to canister tanks

xXCrocmonXx:

TL;DR - Is there any kind of way to sure-fire outdo people that do absolutely retarded tactics but spam the Hell out of it to where you can't do anything against it?

Make tanks, banshees, and rage.

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drugiS:

I've never lost a game. At least not a game were I wasn't texting my girlfriend.

Ronin 3003:

xXCrocmonXx:

TL;DR - Is there any kind of way to sure-fire outdo people that do absolutely retarded tactics but spam the Hell out of it to where you can't do anything against it?

Make tanks, banshees, and rage.

You forgot the odd vampire.

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Mae'n gas gyda fi plant dwrg yn enwedig pan fyddant yn ar fy nhim -_-

Ronin 3003:

xXCrocmonXx:

TL;DR - Is there any kind of way to sure-fire outdo people that do absolutely retarded tactics but spam the Hell out of it to where you can't do anything against it?

Make tanks, banshees, and rage.

And if they show up with an army of hornets from two different UNSC and Banshees out the rear-end like they did in match-up 2?

That was what killed us. We heard enormous explosions, and were like "they cleared a rebel base for Prophet" or something, and in retrospect it's looking like our biggest problem would be we didn't scout enough. But, how would we have stopped that when they answered our rush with an attack that crippled one Covie player like they did in match one?

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Arbiter = <3

hangingbaskets:

off topic,

but vampires are a great counter to canister tanks

Hornets are generally terrible units in teams. They have bad building damage and they barely soft-counter scorpions. Just make anti-air if you scout airpads and you'll be fine.

You could probably even go to their bases with shees and tanks and out-building damage them. 

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drugiS:

I've never lost a game. At least not a game were I wasn't texting my girlfriend.

I hate when a team goes all-air. Its so unexpected that its sometimes lethal. Meh, guess its what I get for being too lazy to scout.

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Ronin 3003:

Hornets are generally terrible units in teams. They have bad building damage and they barely soft-counter scorpions. Just make anti-air if you scout airpads and you'll be fine.

You could probably even go to their bases with shees and tanks and out-building damage them. 

That's what Tdub was going to try and do with his hunters and grunts in match-2, but they just were swarming as a group over to each base. The Hornets absorbed most AA fire while shooting the base to make it look like they were important while the 'Shees tore the base a new one. Vamps got out-micro'd and the wolves were on the opposite side of the map.

So it looks like best thing to do is just to scout out a -lot?- Who would be building the scout units: UNSC with hogs or which ever Covie is building Shees?

EDIT: Also, somehow the following not only worked for us in defense, but they were kicking us into a corner with double Gauss spam and the Prophet was beaten to near defeat in the early game, so his only units were those scarabs if I remember it right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCyzs4naXWU

What is this I don't even? How did double-gauss spam beat his tanks, banshees, and when they showed up the first time at my base rammed my Arby to death while he was in Spiteful?

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Arbiter = <3

hangingbaskets:

off topic,

but vampires are a great counter to canister tanks

I don't know what to tell you =/

Sounds like you just got outplayed by some scrandies.

EDIT: Maybe try ending the game before they get scarabs? 

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drugiS:

I've never lost a game. At least not a game were I wasn't texting my girlfriend.

Ronin 3003:

I don't know what to tell you =/

Sounds like you just got outplayed by some scrandies.

EDIT: Maybe try ending the game before they get scarabs? 

The biggest problem was that they fought our rush off with not only a shield-gen, but enough unupgraded hogs that they rammed my Arby to death when I went to get Fiendish.

If a shield-gen goes up, what do? Would we just move on and cripple a UNSC, or?

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Arbiter = <3

hangingbaskets:

off topic,

but vampires are a great counter to canister tanks

xXCrocmonXx:

Ronin 3003:

I don't know what to tell you =/

Sounds like you just got outplayed by some scrandies.

EDIT: Maybe try ending the game before they get scarabs? 

The biggest problem was that they fought our rush off with not only a shield-gen, but enough unupgraded hogs that they rammed my Arby to death when I went to get Fiendish.

If a shield-gen goes up, what do? Would we just move on and cripple a UNSC, or?

First of all, your arby shouldn't be getting owned by tech 0 hogs. Rage those things if they come near you.

And yes, if you get Rolfshielded just move onto another base.

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drugiS:

I've never lost a game. At least not a game were I wasn't texting my girlfriend.

Ronin 3003:

xXCrocmonXx:

Ronin 3003:

I don't know what to tell you =/

Sounds like you just got outplayed by some scrandies.

EDIT: Maybe try ending the game before they get scarabs? 

The biggest problem was that they fought our rush off with not only a shield-gen, but enough unupgraded hogs that they rammed my Arby to death when I went to get Fiendish.

If a shield-gen goes up, what do? Would we just move on and cripple a UNSC, or?

First of all, your arby shouldn't be getting owned by tech 0 hogs. Rage those things if they come near you.

And yes, if you get Rolfshielded just move onto another base.

If you see hogs, skip fiendish and get early spiteful? (is that the first rage upgrade?)

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Mae'n gas gyda fi plant dwrg yn enwedig pan fyddant yn ar fy nhim -_-

Ronin 3003:

xXCrocmonXx:

Ronin 3003:

I don't know what to tell you =/

Sounds like you just got outplayed by some scrandies.

EDIT: Maybe try ending the game before they get scarabs? 

The biggest problem was that they fought our rush off with not only a shield-gen, but enough unupgraded hogs that they rammed my Arby to death when I went to get Fiendish.

If a shield-gen goes up, what do? Would we just move on and cripple a UNSC, or?

First of all, your arby shouldn't be getting owned by tech 0 hogs. Rage those things if they come near you.

And yes, if you get Rolfshielded just move onto another base.

There were about eight of them, and I look over to start Fiendish and I return to see my Arbiter split open on a hog's hood, and his death animation let me see seven others rolling around his body. Those things are vicious if I don't have Fiendish yet. >>

Alright. That's something that has always been frustrating. Thanks for the tip.

EDIT: @Tohie: It's Defiant. I'd go for that? Seems iffy, since it makes me take more damage and thus those occasional rams tend to be what kills me (thirty hogs ramming me? Can't rage micro out of it once they surround me). I'll give it a shot though, as I'd imagine the healing from the kills would out-heal the damage done.

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Arbiter = <3

hangingbaskets:

off topic,

but vampires are a great counter to canister tanks

Tohie:

Ronin 3003:

xXCrocmonXx:

Ronin 3003:

I don't know what to tell you =/

Sounds like you just got outplayed by some scrandies.

EDIT: Maybe try ending the game before they get scarabs? 

The biggest problem was that they fought our rush off with not only a shield-gen, but enough unupgraded hogs that they rammed my Arby to death when I went to get Fiendish.

If a shield-gen goes up, what do? Would we just move on and cripple a UNSC, or?

First of all, your arby shouldn't be getting owned by tech 0 hogs. Rage those things if they come near you.

And yes, if you get Rolfshielded just move onto another base.

If you see hogs, skip fiendish and get early spiteful? (is that the first rage upgrade?)

Don't even upgrade, just rage them. First rage upgrade is defiant rage.

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drugiS:

I've never lost a game. At least not a game were I wasn't texting my girlfriend.

Did it ever occur to you that you are a below-average player at best?

iRunKanesWrath:Did it ever occur to you that you are a below-average player at best?

Agreed. 

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