Why the patch will balance Anders not make her "UP"

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  •  11-11-2009, 2:52 PM 770293

    Why the patch will balance Anders not make her "UP"

    The gremlin nerf is not as big as it seems, really it isin't, what it does do is actually give forge and cutter a chance vs Anders.

    What some people seem to forget is that in anders vs forge games you don't even need gremlins until they build a VD, you can out hog them by sooooooo much, while forge keeps up at Gunner hog stage, he falls behind by miles at T2 as grenadier takes AGES to research.

    I mean when are you NOT T2 on pirth or BG ?

    Pretty much Gremlins will mean that forge can not go hogd vs anders, there main role however will be vs tanks... that is not going to change, add in spartans and it means that Forge will NEED to build spartanks... which means he will need a barracks which slows everything down.

    How do Forge mirros work ?

    Right now the way that forge mirrors work is just building and teching spartanks, no other units are built (aprt from marines for hooks)

    After TU4 Anders vs Forge will PLAY EXACTLY THE SAME, is that good or bad for forge ?

    BAD, Anders can tech tanks and spartans faster than forge can, and at less cost, so if you upgrade a few pads (which all good anders players still do ) then you will keep up with forge, and then pass him in T3.

    Gremlins will be used in tanks spam, Cyclopse and Cobras won't be. Gremlins with FL are very long range and will stun forges 3 tanks, this lets you get you can'shots off first, which means it will be 3v2...... Not to mention Anders's tanks will be higher tech anyway !!!

    the way the resouce system in HW works has handicap on the gather rate, this means that more pads aren't that much better than less, so the res' you put into them will often be wasted if you can't keep up with nonstop unit production, but with forge and Anders is pretty much means that allthough forge should have a lot more money coming in than Anders, they're both really getting the same amount.

    Which is why Anders's eco bouns is the best, Forge has to WAIT and save res' for around 20 secs before getting 900 for power turret.

    Anders will get Power turret straight away AND get it faster.

    As long as Anders has at least 2/3 heavy supply pads, she will have allmost EXACTLY THE SAME RE'S COMING IN AS FORGE WILL.

    Right now Anders has the best TANKS, FLAMERS, and HOGS, this will not change, Anders will destroy forge on hook maps, and release, only map anders could lose on tundra, but even then that would be hard.

    I DO think its a good change, and makes it as fair as it can get.. but Anders will stil dominate i think. And i don't understand the Arby nerf... really isn't needed, hes gona get raped so hard Gauss in 3v3 now ;(

  •  11-11-2009, 3:17 PM 770304 in reply to 770293

    Re: Why the patch will balance Anders not make her "UP"

    thank you for saying this.

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  •  11-11-2009, 3:43 PM 770336 in reply to 770293

    Re: Why the patch will balance Anders not make her "UP"

    Anders by far has had the most nerfs.

    She's had a nerf in almost every TU so far. 


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  •  11-11-2009, 3:43 PM 770337 in reply to 770304

    Re: Why the patch will balance Anders not make her "UP"

    Thank you buster, I was trying to explain something similiar to this, along with the fact one of the reasons Anders is OP is because gremlins exist at tech 1 to counter everything so she gets hook control, not merely because gremlins are too powerful(which may be true).

    What ROBOT is thinking is that now early game Forge can compete for hooks more successfully, but Anders  always proves to be OP no matter what petty nerf hits her anyway.

       I do think Forge will stand a better chance though, I will find out soon enough, less hook control you would think, i can now use hogs to kill flamers early and when she gets gremlins, i'll have tanks or  EVEN hornets now.


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  •  11-11-2009, 3:45 PM 770341 in reply to 770337

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    Anders needs a nerf. A woman should never have that much power.
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  •  11-11-2009, 3:50 PM 770348 in reply to 770341

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    wise bass18:Anders needs a nerf. A woman should never have that much power.
    i lol'd so hard at this. you are my new sig

     


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  •  11-11-2009, 4:01 PM 770362 in reply to 770348

    Re: Why the patch will balance Anders not make her "UP"

    i still think she will be UP sorry =/


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  •  11-11-2009, 4:21 PM 770381 in reply to 770362

    Re: Why the patch will balance Anders not make her "UP"

    studmuffin:

    i still think she will be UP sorry =/

    she will still be better than cutter, how is that up?

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  •  11-11-2009, 4:27 PM 770388 in reply to 770381

    Re: Why the patch will balance Anders not make her "UP"

    The Fuhrer:
    studmuffin:

    i still think she will be UP sorry =/

    she will still be better than cutter, how is that up?

    not really she is equal to cutter and since when has cutter been good for anything


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  •  11-11-2009, 4:33 PM 770393 in reply to 770388

    Re: Why the patch will balance Anders not make her "UP"

    studmuffin:
    The Fuhrer:
    studmuffin:

    i still think she will be UP sorry =/

    she will still be better than cutter, how is that up?

    not really she is equal to cutter and since when has cutter been good for anything

    2v2 cutter>forge.

    1v1 cutter>forge

    3v3 cutter<forge 


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  •  11-11-2009, 4:36 PM 770396 in reply to 770393

    Re: Why the patch will balance Anders not make her "UP"

    Tomanater00:
    studmuffin:
    The Fuhrer:
    studmuffin:

    i still think she will be UP sorry =/

    she will still be better than cutter, how is that up?

    not really she is equal to cutter and since when has cutter been good for anything

    2v2 cutter>forge.

    1v1 cutter>forge

    3v3 cutter<forge 

    not really cutter is only good for 2v2 and that's only beacuse of it's huge amounts of hooks and extra bases. otherwise forge is better in every single way.


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  •  11-11-2009, 4:39 PM 770397 in reply to 770396

    Re: Why the patch will balance Anders not make her "UP"

    studmuffin:
    Tomanater00:
    studmuffin:
    The Fuhrer:
    studmuffin:

    i still think she will be UP sorry =/

    she will still be better than cutter, how is that up?

    not really she is equal to cutter and since when has cutter been good for anything

    2v2 cutter>forge.

    1v1 cutter>forge

    3v3 cutter<forge 

    not really cutter is only good for 2v2 and that's only beacuse of it's huge amounts of hooks and extra bases. otherwise forge is better in every single way.

    on hook maps in 1v1 cutter is better and there are more hook maps then non hook.

     


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  •  11-11-2009, 4:41 PM 770399 in reply to 770362

    Re: Why the patch will balance Anders not make her "UP"

    studmuffin:

    i still think she will be UP sorry =/

    well ive seen your vids and you clearly don't know how to play Anders so ....

  •  11-11-2009, 4:45 PM 770404 in reply to 770396

    Re: Why the patch will balance Anders not make her "UP"

    Nope, the current gremlin nerf is going to ruin Anders. Forge is gonna run over her every time if gremlin gets moved a whole tech level. And it is even worse than that, they are moving the upgrades up too. Even Cutter will own Anders now.

     

    I was going to write a big paragraph criticizing the gremlin nerf, but I'm busy today. So i'll get to it tomorrow or so. I know the gremlin tech level nerf is going to ruin the game because the same people who wanted that nerf also wanted to buff PoR again. I'm not saying the gremlin shouldn't be nerfed, but moving it an entire tech level is just gonna completely tip the scale against her. Without the gremlin, she has nothing. Waiting till tech 2 to use the gremlin is pointless because it'll be too late by then. Forge will already have 2x the economy and Anders will have no tools to prevent it.

     

    The arby nerf is also stupid. As if he wasn't weak enough in rage mode.


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  •  11-11-2009, 4:50 PM 770405 in reply to 770404

    Re: Why the patch will balance Anders not make her "UP"

    Cookie Krisp:

    Nope, the current gremlin nerf is going to ruin Anders. Forge is gonna run over her every time if gremlin gets moved a whole tech level. And it is even worse than that, they are moving the upgrades up too. Even Cutter will own Anders now.

     

    I was going to write a big paragraph criticizing the gremlin nerf, but I'm busy today. So i'll get to it tomorrow or so. I know the gremlin tech level nerf is going to ruin the game because the same people who wanted that nerf also wanted to buff PoR again. I'm not saying the gremlin shouldn't be nerfed, but moving it an entire tech level is just gonna completely tip the scale against her. Without the gremlin, she has nothing. Waiting till tech 2 to use the gremlin is pointless because it'll be too late by then. Forge will already have 2x the economy and Anders will have no tools to prevent it.

    you don't even need to build them to win, Forge can't go inf' that hasn't changed, so its vehicles or air.

    Air gets countered to hard by wolvies and hogs, so vehicles, Anders will out-tank forge everytime on hook maps, and forges ECO' bonus isn't good at at all, if anders's upgrades her pads by 1min later they have equal Re's coming in.

    i just don't see whats going to change, forge can't go hogs, or inf, or vehicles, air get raped by hogs, and Anders will have allmost the same eco as forge anyway, i dont see how forge can win where he can't build usefull units.

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