Can forge beat anders with...

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  •  10-07-2009, 9:20 AM 742387

    Can forge beat anders with...

    Has any one tried building a marine cobra army reinforced with cyclops and slowly moving from turtle to a push.

     

    If not do you think the cyclops could be key to beat gremlins easier, since it allows enough time to lock down while being healed, so the cobras dont die when going for the offensive.

     

    I dont play forge often, but it sounds solid. Idk


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  •  10-07-2009, 9:25 AM 742392 in reply to 742387

    Re: Can forge beat anders with...

    idk but a "slow push" with cobra's sounds like an open flank to me personally... its an idea though... I'd probably completely ignore your cyclopses, and if you made a wall of them to force me to deal with them i'd freeze your cobras to buy myself enough time. 

     

    A few flamers or even tanks would probably shut that down, even a well timed cobra jack would complicate your push immensely.

     

    Still your idea is probably a better alternative then a lot of others that were brought up in other topics, and by no means am I a 1v1 expert so don't take this the wrong way.  


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  •  10-07-2009, 9:29 AM 742396 in reply to 742392

    Re: Can forge beat anders with...

    They could counter with vultures 
  •  10-07-2009, 9:34 AM 742398 in reply to 742392

    Re: Can forge beat anders with...

    drama TiC:

    idk but a "slow push" with cobra's sounds like an open flank to me personally... its an idea though... I'd probably completely ignore your cyclopses, and if you made a wall of them to force me to deal with them i'd freeze your cobras to buy myself enough time. 

     

    A few flamers or even tanks would probably shut that down, even a well timed cobra jack would complicate your push immensely.

     

    Still your idea is probably a better alternative then a lot of others that were brought up in other topics, and by no means am I a 1v1 expert so don't take this the wrong way.  

     

    I guess a slow push brings the wrong image up, I mean by slow push as in a type of counter assualt, but not going in to fast. Taking your time, and while going in leaving units behind in key spots, like while on Release, leave 6 marnies 2 cyclops and a cobra in the choke point near the middle  on their side, so they cant counter rush you.

    Or on barrens, garrison a few marines in the towers in order to see another attack coming in order to build proper counters.

     

    I think my idea could possible work, but needs work, and of course someone good with the micro managements. lol

     

    Btw, cobras>Tanks

     

    I dont know why people say cobras suck, i killed 40+ grizz while using 3 cobras on a game i decided to turtle enemy into resign. lol


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  •  10-07-2009, 9:42 AM 742405 in reply to 742398

    Re: Can forge beat anders with...

    anything > stunned cobra's is my point, don't take it the wrong way lol, a canister or 2 to protect the gremmie bears from rpg etc etc. 

     

    But anyway, reading your clarified point on a slow push seems pretty good , cutting off the counterattack is key to stopping anders.  


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  •  10-07-2009, 10:09 AM 742410 in reply to 742387

    Re: Can forge beat anders with...

    LaZy FrOg:

    Has any one tried building a marine cobra army reinforced with cyclops and slowly moving from turtle to a push.

     

    If not do you think the cyclops could be key to beat gremlins easier, since it allows enough time to lock down while being healed, so the cobras dont die when going for the offensive.

     

    I dont play forge often, but it sounds solid. Idk

    The major problem with gremlins is that they can build under 2 minutes in the game, and they start with the disable ability. This makes you build defense, turrets, or marines and cobras. But you have to go much further and spend more resources than Anders will. This is why a very good Anders will always take down Forge on maps like Pirth. Where you have to go completely defense. If you try to fight even terms, warthogs and marines/flames to take hooks, you'll lose. Tried it, you'll be out of money and out of units, so defense is the last thing. But on a map like that, if I were playing Anders I would lock in the defensive Forge and Anders has the game from the start.

    Buying cobras, marines, and cyclops... possibily turrets, is way too much money cost to just counter gremlins.

    You could always keep the carpet bomb as handy, but disruption bomb Anders can use too.

    My suggested changes for gremlins are:

    tech 1: buy gremlins, they start without stun ability

    tech 2: upgrade damage beam, more damage

    tech 3: upgrade single stun ability. Not chain-amp

    That would definitely be more fair.

  •  10-07-2009, 11:44 AM 742430 in reply to 742410

    Re: Can forge beat anders with...

    Short answer: No

    Long Answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooo


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  •  10-07-2009, 12:32 PM 742444 in reply to 742430

    Re: Can forge beat anders with...

    flamers+cyclops combo should do the trick. save up for cobras in the meantime.
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  •  10-07-2009, 12:55 PM 742459 in reply to 742430

    Re: Can forge beat anders with...

    Anything using cyclops fails.

    I wish I was trolling, but I'm not.

    Any strategy using cyclops is doomed to failure.

    Their offensive power... doesn't exist, and their healing speed is similar to their unupgraded running speed.


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  •  10-07-2009, 1:12 PM 742474 in reply to 742430

    Re: Can forge beat anders with...

    I FJ I:

    Short answer: No

    Long Answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooo

    Hmm, Can we get a more in-depth answer too? XD



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  •  10-07-2009, 1:27 PM 742487 in reply to 742474

    Re: Can forge beat anders with...

    IdenticalSean:
    I FJ I:

    Short answer: No

    Long Answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooo

    Hmm, Can we get a more in-depth answer too? XD

    Ok

    Firstly, Anders will always have map control, so map with hooks is just fail for Forge. Lets take gultch for example. Early harassing makes forge lose map control. So its going to take a while to get tot ech 3, by wich time, Anders has had 2 bases and tech 3 for a while. Anders can now massiley out tech you, and has.

    by the time you get tech 3, Anders would already have guass or chain amp, and probs wing man or canister aswell. 2/4 would deffinately be teched.

    Its a matter of time really, you simply dont have enough to set up cobras, cyclops and marines, and get them to the necessary tech. Anders would kill you before you could set all that up.


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  •  10-07-2009, 1:34 PM 742496 in reply to 742487

    Re: Can forge beat anders with...

    I FJ I:
    IdenticalSean:
    I FJ I:

    Short answer: No

    Long Answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooo

    Hmm, Can we get a more in-depth answer too? XD

    Ok

    Firstly, Anders will always have map control, so map with hooks is just fail for Forge. Lets take gultch for example. Early harassing makes forge lose map control. So its going to take a while to get tot ech 3, by wich time, Anders has had 2 bases and tech 3 for a while. Anders can now massiley out tech you, and has.

    by the time you get tech 3, Anders would already have guass or chain amp, and probs wing man or canister aswell. 2/4 would deffinately be teched.

    Its a matter of time really, you simply dont have enough to set up cobras, cyclops and marines, and get them to the necessary tech. Anders would kill you before you could set all that up.

    Hmm, interesting. Have to admit though, I was kinda hoping for a longer Nooooooooooooooooooo. XD



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  •  10-07-2009, 2:34 PM 742531 in reply to 742430

    Re: Can forge beat anders with...

    I FJ I:

    Short answer: No

    Long Answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooo

    I FJ I is Yahtzee? That actually makes alot of sense in some ways. :)

  •  10-07-2009, 2:41 PM 742536 in reply to 742531

    Re: Can forge beat anders with...

    SpartenSoldier:
    I FJ I:

    Short answer: No

    Long Answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooo

    I FJ I is Yahtzee? That actually makes alot of sense in some ways. :)

    Who is Yahtzee? I thought it was a board game..


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  •  10-07-2009, 3:13 PM 742548 in reply to 742536

    Re: Can forge beat anders with...

    forge can beat anders with cobras, easiest map forge anders is blood river or blood gulch

    edit: you must make sure you can limit the number of gremlins anders saves up severely


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