Skill Level vs. True Skill

Last post 07-21-2009, 3:43 PM by Kinslayer. 13 replies.
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  •  07-21-2009, 1:01 PM 662127

    Skill Level vs. True Skill

    Is it better to have a high true skill than your skill level or the other way around.  It doesn't really look like your skill level reflects your rank because I've played a bunch of brigs that have very bad skill levels. I have been stuck at a skill level of 38 for over a month and have no idea how to bring it up.  I haven't really gone up in true skill also because of the way true skill works.  
  •  07-21-2009, 1:03 PM 662128 in reply to 662127

    Re: Skill Level vs. True Skill

    skill level=win%/2

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  •  07-21-2009, 1:08 PM 662138 in reply to 662128

    Re: Skill Level vs. True Skill

    my skill level is 39 my highest trueskill levels are 40...i think trueskill matters more, but if you have a high skill level that measn ur trueskill is good cuz you win all the time
  •  07-21-2009, 1:13 PM 662147 in reply to 662138

    Re: Skill Level vs. True Skill

    Trueskill is broken, so Skill Level is probably a better representation of your skill since it is actually based on logic.
  •  07-21-2009, 1:15 PM 662149 in reply to 662147

    Re: Skill Level vs. True Skill

    where does it show your skill level?

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  •  07-21-2009, 1:15 PM 662151 in reply to 662149

    Re: Skill Level vs. True Skill

    Preecey22:where does it show your skill level?
    game stats

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  •  07-21-2009, 1:31 PM 662181 in reply to 662127

    Re: Skill Level vs. True Skill

    None of it works, or is it accurate enough.

    Just prove yourslef by cosistantly beating someone good. Thats the onlyway to prove your really good


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  •  07-21-2009, 1:36 PM 662191 in reply to 662151

    Re: Skill Level vs. True Skill

    Im Allhere:
    Preecey22:where does it show your skill level?
    game stats

    I thought that was the Trueskill

    this system confuses me....


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  •  07-21-2009, 1:57 PM 662215 in reply to 662191

    Re: Skill Level vs. True Skill

    True skill is your level when joining matches on xbox live.  it shows it before seaching for games.  Skill level is on the site.  

     If the only way you can get a higher skill level is to get a higher % of wins I may as well create a new account to get there.  I've played so many games that the chance of me going up a level is slim to none.  Unless I win 10328347123 games in a row... which seems pretty impossible if you ask me.

  •  07-21-2009, 2:06 PM 662230 in reply to 662215

    Re: Skill Level vs. True Skill

    http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/trueskill/details.aspx

    this is the deatils of the algorithem used to determine trueskill, it's very complicated so i dont fully understand it but it mainly means (I think) that it matters who you play against, the better the player you face the more truskill and it works on varity so winning sonsitantly means you go up slower but if you throw in a loss every now and then it will go up faster?

    ...TS sucks


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  •  07-21-2009, 2:48 PM 662284 in reply to 662230

    Re: Skill Level vs. True Skill

    studmuffin:

    http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/trueskill/details.aspx

    this is the deatils of the algorithem used to determine trueskill, it's very complicated so i dont fully understand it but it mainly means (I think) that it matters who you play against, the better the player you face the more truskill and it works on varity so winning sonsitantly means you go up slower but if you throw in a loss every now and then it will go up faster?

    ...TS sucks

    yah, that's too much information for my "out of school for 10 years" brain.  i think all that matters is that everyone should know that ts sucks!   

  •  07-21-2009, 2:51 PM 662286 in reply to 662284

    Re: Skill Level vs. True Skill

    a simple system was just too easy for microsoft so they went and made the trueskill system. all the complex agrorythmes and random variables means no one even knows how to fix it and never will, microsoft will just keep selling it and hope it fixes itself.

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  •  07-21-2009, 3:25 PM 662316 in reply to 662284

    Re: Skill Level vs. True Skill

    duMb Ke0La:
    studmuffin:

    http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/trueskill/details.aspx

    this is the deatils of the algorithem used to determine trueskill, it's very complicated so i dont fully understand it but it mainly means (I think) that it matters who you play against, the better the player you face the more truskill and it works on varity so winning sonsitantly means you go up slower but if you throw in a loss every now and then it will go up faster?

    ...TS sucks

    yah, that's too much information for my "out of school for 10 years" brain.  i think all that matters is that everyone should know that ts sucks!   

    Yeah I think that's putting it conservatively, I'm pretty sure you need at least a bachelors in mathematics.


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  •  07-21-2009, 3:43 PM 662350 in reply to 662316

    Re: Skill Level vs. True Skill

    MoCalibPrCapita:
    duMb Ke0La:
    studmuffin:

    http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/trueskill/details.aspx

    this is the deatils of the algorithem used to determine trueskill, it's very complicated so i dont fully understand it but it mainly means (I think) that it matters who you play against, the better the player you face the more truskill and it works on varity so winning sonsitantly means you go up slower but if you throw in a loss every now and then it will go up faster?

    ...TS sucks

    yah, that's too much information for my "out of school for 10 years" brain.  i think all that matters is that everyone should know that ts sucks!   

    Yeah I think that's putting it conservatively, I'm pretty sure you need at least a bachelors in mathematics.

    Actually, it doesn't. 

    TS system is designed to place you at what it thinks is your TRUE skill. So as you play games, based on who you beat and lose to, it adjusts your place. At first it jumps up and down by quite a large margin, but then it slows down to almost a crawl as it pin-points your exact position. It's not a leveling system though. Once it finds your TS spot, you will not move up however many games you play UNLESS you show consistent improvement in your skill. 

    To show consistent improvement, you need to consistently beat people higher TS than you and not lose to ones lower TS than you. Remember, once it zeroes in on your TS, it doesn't budge by much unless you exert a large force on it. That large force has to be a streak of wins against people with TS HIGHER than yours. Which makes sense... if you can beat people better than you consistently, then you DID get better for real and deserve to go higher. 

    So ask yourself... do you beat people higher TS than you all the time? If yes, then you should have moved up.

    now...the second part of the system that people don't like is getting matched up with people that don't fit their TS. That will become clearer once you understand how the matchmaking works. True Skill is but ONE factor of how it matches you with other people, not the ONLY one. Matchmaking depends on - amongst other things - the following:

    - True Skill 

    - Your Gamertag zone (Recreational, Pro, Underground, etc)

    - Your connection speed vs others (to ensure you get the least lag possible)

    So... if you are trying to play and you are TS 30 with Gamerzone of Pro and the available pool of players is:

    - Player A: TS 20, Zone Pro, Good connection to you

    - Player B: TS 45, Zone Underground, Good Connection

    - Player C: TS 31, Zone Pro, horrible connection to you

    The best player based on TS will be Player C. If you beat him, you'll get a point upwards, it'll probably be a good competitive match. BUT... his connection to you is HORRIBLE. So you'll end up with a very laggy game. 

    Player B will demolish you and neither of you will have fun. 

    Player A, while not the optimal choice, is probably the best choice for you. The connection will be good, you're in the same Gamer Zone, etc.

    So as you can see, it is trying to give you the best match possible and true skill is but one of the factors. In games like Halo 3 where there are a whole lot more players on than in HW, you get more to choose from and it makes pretty good choices. 


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