Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

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  •  07-15-2009, 3:23 PM 655145

    Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    I recently discovered the Forge Canister BO, and my God it is effective (I went 5-0 this morning in 1v1 with it). But it seems to border on overpowered, I mean, how exactly do you counter 7 canister tanks at your base at 6:30 with more on the way?

    Covenant: If you focus fire and use a couple canisters, any leader will be completely screwed and the only other way for Covenant to stop tanks is to mass Hunters,  but you'd need SO many because of Canister and besides who's gonna mass Hunters as their first move? Then if I bring in Hornets you're screwed even more.

    UNSC: They even have less of a chance, except for Anders, but Gremlins build SO slow that hitting LB+Y will overkill any Gremlin, leaving her defenseless.

    Cutter- Zero Chance whatsoever to stop this

    Forge- Only way to win is to just spam more Scorpions than you.

    Anders- Unless first move is to mass Gremlins, no way she wins.

    So is there a way to beat this rush?

  •  07-15-2009, 3:25 PM 655146 in reply to 655145

    Re: Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    pizzaaddict8:

    I recently discovered the Forge Canister BO, and my God it is effective (I went 5-0 this morning in 1v1 with it). But it seems to border on overpowered, I mean, how exactly do you counter 7 canister tanks at your base at 6:30 with more on the way?

    Covenant: If you focus fire and use a couple canisters, any leader will be completely screwed and the only other way for Covenant to stop tanks is to mass Hunters,  but you'd need SO many because of Canister and besides who's gonna mass Hunters as their first move? Then if I bring in Hornets you're screwed even more.

    UNSC: They even have less of a chance, except for Anders, but Gremlins build SO slow that hitting LB+Y will overkill any Gremlin, leaving her defenseless.

    Cutter- Zero Chance whatsoever to stop this

    Forge- Only way to win is to just spam more Scorpions than you.

    Anders- Unless first move is to mass Gremlins, no way she wins.

    So is there a way to beat this rush?

    ...Or you could just scout.


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  •  07-15-2009, 3:25 PM 655147 in reply to 655145

    Re: Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    pizzaaddict8:

    I recently discovered the Forge Canister BO, and my God it is effective (I went 5-0 this morning in 1v1 with it). But it seems to border on overpowered, I mean, how exactly do you counter 7 canister tanks at your base at 6:30 with more on the way?

    Covenant: If you focus fire and use a couple canisters, any leader will be completely screwed and the only other way for Covenant to stop tanks is to mass Hunters,  but you'd need SO many because of Canister and besides who's gonna mass Hunters as their first move? Then if I bring in Hornets you're screwed even more.

    UNSC: They even have less of a chance, except for Anders, but Gremlins build SO slow that hitting LB+Y will overkill any Gremlin, leaving her defenseless.

    Cutter- Zero Chance whatsoever to stop this

    Forge- Only way to win is to just spam more Scorpions than you.

    Anders- Unless first move is to mass Gremlins, no way she wins.

    So is there a way to beat this rush?

    banshees and hornet and if you are anders gremlins owns everything

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  •  07-15-2009, 3:26 PM 655150 in reply to 655146

    Re: Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    GafferGamgee:
    pizzaaddict8:

    I recently discovered the Forge Canister BO, and my God it is effective (I went 5-0 this morning in 1v1 with it). But it seems to border on overpowered, I mean, how exactly do you counter 7 canister tanks at your base at 6:30 with more on the way?

    Covenant: If you focus fire and use a couple canisters, any leader will be completely screwed and the only other way for Covenant to stop tanks is to mass Hunters,  but you'd need SO many because of Canister and besides who's gonna mass Hunters as their first move? Then if I bring in Hornets you're screwed even more.

    UNSC: They even have less of a chance, except for Anders, but Gremlins build SO slow that hitting LB+Y will overkill any Gremlin, leaving her defenseless.

    Cutter- Zero Chance whatsoever to stop this

    Forge- Only way to win is to just spam more Scorpions than you.

    Anders- Unless first move is to mass Gremlins, no way she wins.

    So is there a way to beat this rush?

    ...Or you could just scout.

    And? What I'm saying is there's no good counter to tanks early in the game. By the time you scout there will probably already be 2-3 tanks out.

  •  07-15-2009, 3:28 PM 655152 in reply to 655145

    Re: Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    pizzaaddict8:

    I recently discovered the Forge Canister BO, and my God it is effective (I went 5-0 this morning in 1v1 with it). But it seems to border on overpowered, I mean, how exactly do you counter 7 canister tanks at your base at 6:30 with more on the way?

    Covenant: If you focus fire and use a couple canisters, any leader will be completely screwed and the only other way for Covenant to stop tanks is to mass Hunters,  but you'd need SO many because of Canister and besides who's gonna mass Hunters as their first move? Then if I bring in Hornets you're screwed even more.

    UNSC: They even have less of a chance, except for Anders, but Gremlins build SO slow that hitting LB+Y will overkill any Gremlin, leaving her defenseless.

    Cutter- Zero Chance whatsoever to stop this

    Forge- Only way to win is to just spam more Scorpions than you.

    Anders- Unless first move is to mass Gremlins, no way she wins.

    So is there a way to beat this rush?

     

    Yes there are plenty of ways.  I'll just name one.

    Anyone that sits back and lets you boom to get 7 tanks in 7 min (because thats the fastest you can do it on a map where you grab no hooks) deserves to lose.  Everyone knows forge is a force mid game and lacks early game (or does he :P).  Thats why you keep the pressure on early and make them change thier build order. 

    Another thing is you kept mentioning "who would get the counter unit as their first move."  Well after a simple scout in the first 2 min anyone could see your booming tanks and would prepair for the right counter.

     I don't think forge canister rush is as OP as gauss hogs.  Anders > Forge.


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  •  07-15-2009, 3:29 PM 655153 in reply to 655150

    Re: Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    pizzaaddict8:
    GafferGamgee:
    pizzaaddict8:

    I recently discovered the Forge Canister BO, and my God it is effective (I went 5-0 this morning in 1v1 with it). But it seems to border on overpowered, I mean, how exactly do you counter 7 canister tanks at your base at 6:30 with more on the way?

    Covenant: If you focus fire and use a couple canisters, any leader will be completely screwed and the only other way for Covenant to stop tanks is to mass Hunters,  but you'd need SO many because of Canister and besides who's gonna mass Hunters as their first move? Then if I bring in Hornets you're screwed even more.

    UNSC: They even have less of a chance, except for Anders, but Gremlins build SO slow that hitting LB+Y will overkill any Gremlin, leaving her defenseless.

    Cutter- Zero Chance whatsoever to stop this

    Forge- Only way to win is to just spam more Scorpions than you.

    Anders- Unless first move is to mass Gremlins, no way she wins.

    So is there a way to beat this rush?

    ...Or you could just scout.

    And? What I'm saying is there's no good counter to tanks early in the game. By the time you scout there will probably already be 2-3 tanks out.

     

    If they scout by the time you have 2-3 tanks out that means that we are already 5:30 min into the game.  thats impossibly newbish.


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  •  07-15-2009, 3:31 PM 655155 in reply to 655145

    Re: Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    I'm 3-0 with spamming ghosts... OP?

     

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  •  07-15-2009, 3:31 PM 655156 in reply to 655152

    Re: Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    Brute rush, suicide grunt rush, prophet rush, hornets, banshees, hunter rush, elephant rush, spartans, wraith rush.  So many possibilities to beat that.

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  •  07-15-2009, 3:32 PM 655157 in reply to 655150

    Re: Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    pizzaaddict8:
    GafferGamgee:
    pizzaaddict8:

    I recently discovered the Forge Canister BO, and my God it is effective (I went 5-0 this morning in 1v1 with it). But it seems to border on overpowered, I mean, how exactly do you counter 7 canister tanks at your base at 6:30 with more on the way?

    Covenant: If you focus fire and use a couple canisters, any leader will be completely screwed and the only other way for Covenant to stop tanks is to mass Hunters,  but you'd need SO many because of Canister and besides who's gonna mass Hunters as their first move? Then if I bring in Hornets you're screwed even more.

    UNSC: They even have less of a chance, except for Anders, but Gremlins build SO slow that hitting LB+Y will overkill any Gremlin, leaving her defenseless.

    Cutter- Zero Chance whatsoever to stop this

    Forge- Only way to win is to just spam more Scorpions than you.

    Anders- Unless first move is to mass Gremlins, no way she wins.

    So is there a way to beat this rush?

    ...Or you could just scout.

    And? What I'm saying is there's no good counter to tanks early in the game. By the time you scout there will probably already be 2-3 tanks out.

    6.5 Minutes is more than enought time to either build hunters, or banshees, or harass with your leader. Right now this is my favorite strategy for 2v2 and I've been repelled before by well micro'd hunters or a decent size group of banshees. The key with hunters is to focus all your fire on one scorpion at a time and not group your hunters too close together.


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  •  07-15-2009, 3:32 PM 655158 in reply to 655145

    Re: Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    Hornets would easily own your tank rush.  On many ocassions I have owned tank rushes with hornets and then laughed while destroying their base.

  •  07-15-2009, 3:33 PM 655159 in reply to 655155

    Re: Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    Stun Lock:

    I'm 3-0 with spamming ghosts... OP?

     

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsGame.aspx?Id=26259060-1780-3878-4350-000000000000

     

     

     

    You started making ghosts at 10 minutes.  The game would already be over by then.  


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  •  07-15-2009, 3:33 PM 655161 in reply to 655150

    Re: Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    pizzaaddict8:
    GafferGamgee:
    pizzaaddict8:

    I recently discovered the Forge Canister BO, and my God it is effective (I went 5-0 this morning in 1v1 with it). But it seems to border on overpowered, I mean, how exactly do you counter 7 canister tanks at your base at 6:30 with more on the way?

    Covenant: If you focus fire and use a couple canisters, any leader will be completely screwed and the only other way for Covenant to stop tanks is to mass Hunters,  but you'd need SO many because of Canister and besides who's gonna mass Hunters as their first move? Then if I bring in Hornets you're screwed even more.

    UNSC: They even have less of a chance, except for Anders, but Gremlins build SO slow that hitting LB+Y will overkill any Gremlin, leaving her defenseless.

    Cutter- Zero Chance whatsoever to stop this

    Forge- Only way to win is to just spam more Scorpions than you.

    Anders- Unless first move is to mass Gremlins, no way she wins.

    So is there a way to beat this rush?

    ...Or you could just scout.

    And? What I'm saying is there's no good counter to tanks early in the game. By the time you scout there will probably already be 2-3 tanks out.

    Sure I beat it all the time.

    Covie - Build Banshees - first upgrade and then first banshee out by 3:30 easy.  More on the way faster than tanks build

    UNSC - Cutter, Lock an elephant down outside your base at 1:30.  build marines and spartans out of your view.  Wait till the first tank comes out and jack it, then attack with marines.

    UNSC - Anders - Get Grenader hogs and stop the depot from being built

    UNSC - Forge - Go hornet instead of tanks.  They build faster and will kill your tanks easy.

    Really, it's very easy to do if your don't build anything but tanks.

     


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  •  07-15-2009, 3:33 PM 655162 in reply to 655159

    Re: Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    VGamerJoe:

    You started making ghosts are 10 minutes.  The game would already be over by then.  

     

    What game would have been over by then?  

     


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  •  07-15-2009, 3:34 PM 655163 in reply to 655152

    Re: Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    Circle:
    pizzaaddict8:

    I recently discovered the Forge Canister BO, and my God it is effective (I went 5-0 this morning in 1v1 with it). But it seems to border on overpowered, I mean, how exactly do you counter 7 canister tanks at your base at 6:30 with more on the way?

    Covenant: If you focus fire and use a couple canisters, any leader will be completely screwed and the only other way for Covenant to stop tanks is to mass Hunters,  but you'd need SO many because of Canister and besides who's gonna mass Hunters as their first move? Then if I bring in Hornets you're screwed even more.

    UNSC: They even have less of a chance, except for Anders, but Gremlins build SO slow that hitting LB+Y will overkill any Gremlin, leaving her defenseless.

    Cutter- Zero Chance whatsoever to stop this

    Forge- Only way to win is to just spam more Scorpions than you.

    Anders- Unless first move is to mass Gremlins, no way she wins.

    So is there a way to beat this rush?

     

    Yes there are plenty of ways.  I'll just name one.

    Anyone that sits back and lets you boom to get 7 tanks in 7 min (because thats the fastest you can do it on a map where you grab no hooks) deserves to lose.  Everyone knows forge is a force mid game and lacks early game (or does he :P).  Thats why you keep the pressure on early and make them change thier build order. 

    Another thing is you kept mentioning "who would get the counter unit as their first move."  Well after a simple scout in the first 2 min anyone could see your booming tanks and would prepair for the right counter.

     I don't think forge canister rush is as OP as gauss hogs.  Anders > Forge.

    I know but this assumes that people are smart enough to know I'm tank booming and then rush me in return. I played a Cutter who scouted and saw my 2 VD's and I knew had two elephants and instead of elephant rushing me (which would have DESTROYED me) he just sat back and when he saw all my tanks at his base he self-destructed and Jew-ed me  out of points (TU3 cannot come fast enough). I can picture their thinking:

    "UH-OH FORGE MADE TANKS WHAT A TRICKSTER TIME TO QUIT /WRIST"

  •  07-15-2009, 3:36 PM 655165 in reply to 655163

    Re: Is the Forge Canister rush OP?

    pizzaaddict8:
    Circle:
    pizzaaddict8:

    I recently discovered the Forge Canister BO, and my God it is effective (I went 5-0 this morning in 1v1 with it). But it seems to border on overpowered, I mean, how exactly do you counter 7 canister tanks at your base at 6:30 with more on the way?

    Covenant: If you focus fire and use a couple canisters, any leader will be completely screwed and the only other way for Covenant to stop tanks is to mass Hunters,  but you'd need SO many because of Canister and besides who's gonna mass Hunters as their first move? Then if I bring in Hornets you're screwed even more.

    UNSC: They even have less of a chance, except for Anders, but Gremlins build SO slow that hitting LB+Y will overkill any Gremlin, leaving her defenseless.

    Cutter- Zero Chance whatsoever to stop this

    Forge- Only way to win is to just spam more Scorpions than you.

    Anders- Unless first move is to mass Gremlins, no way she wins.

    So is there a way to beat this rush?

     

    Yes there are plenty of ways.  I'll just name one.

    Anyone that sits back and lets you boom to get 7 tanks in 7 min (because thats the fastest you can do it on a map where you grab no hooks) deserves to lose.  Everyone knows forge is a force mid game and lacks early game (or does he :P).  Thats why you keep the pressure on early and make them change thier build order. 

    Another thing is you kept mentioning "who would get the counter unit as their first move."  Well after a simple scout in the first 2 min anyone could see your booming tanks and would prepair for the right counter.

     I don't think forge canister rush is as OP as gauss hogs.  Anders > Forge.

    I know but this assumes that people are smart enough to know I'm tank booming and then rush me in return. I played a Cutter who scouted and saw my 2 VD's and I knew had two elephants and instead of elephant rushing me (which would have DESTROYED me) he just sat back and when he saw all my tanks at his base he self-destructed and Jew-ed me  out of points (TU3 cannot come fast enough). I can picture their thinking:

    "UH-OH FORGE MADE TANKS WHAT A TRICKSTER TIME TO QUIT /WRIST"

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