Ok, I've had it.  Normally, I try to not post topics anymore, as the problem I usually write about gets fixed eventually, but not in this case.  ES(Robot, whatever the name is) What the crap is up with the matchmaking system?  Honestly, did you guys even try to fix it?  Appearently not, because, I keep getting paired with the worst people, and going against the best people.

Let me give you an example.  Last game I played was with a no rank, me(a colonel) and a major against a brigider, a colonel and a recruite.

Now, you say the match making system is base off of true skill right?  I don't a person with no rank has the skill level of a 35.  If he does, can his rank be removed?  Although, from the way all of us played last game, I doubt we fit our ranks, except for the no rank.

Normally, I try to look past problems and not post, as they tend to get fixed eventually.  But, this is obvisouly not the case, as this has been going on the entire life spam of halo wars.

So please, fix it for god's sake.  We don't want god angry now do we?  Although, I bet he would also be angry with the terrible matchmaking system.

Aloysius:Rank has nothing to do with Matchmaking. There are Generals with Trukills of 8 and Recruits in the 40s.

Unless you want to wait a very, very, very long time for "perfect" matches, there is no 'good' way to balance matchmaking.

The matchmaking system works quite well and matching people up who are close in TruSkill in a reasonable amount of time. If we narrow the skill level band, then it will take significantly longer for games to Matchmake, and we already have complaints about it taking "45 minutes" to match a game (although the average match time is about 40 some seconds).

then what is a no ranks skill?  Is it close to 35?

Aloysius:It's the average of all players with a Truskill, it usually hovers around 24-25.

This is done so they can find a game. If they had a Truskill of 0, they would never find a match.

They could find a match with other no ranks, to ease them into a game.

Giving them a true skill of 24-25 doesn't help them, just hurts everyone around them.

Why not give them a true skill of 10-15?  It would make it so much easier for them to get ajusted to the game.

Aloysius:

Felix:

Aloysius:It's the average of all players with a Truskill, it usually hovers around 24-25.

This is done so they can find a game. If they had a Truskill of 0, they would never find a match.

They could find a match with other no ranks, to ease them into a game.

Giving them a true skill of 24-25 doesn't help them, just hurts everyone around them.

Why not give them a true skill of 10-15?  It would make it so much easier for them to get ajusted to the game.

Because the way the TruSkill system works, players with 0 games played have to come in with an Average rating, so that the system can best figure out what their TS is.

Then that's not really Trueskill. 

Where does this average come from anyway? 

I think it would be best for no ranks to have their own skill set of 10-15, so they feel they're amoung their peers of the same skill.  Giving them a "skill" of 24-25 justs makes it harder for them to ease into the game.  As, when they get paired against Brigiders and colonels, they( I would assume) scared and vastly outmatch, which is my a lot of resigns occur.

Also, I can't assume what someone's trueskill is before or during a match, and without the use of mics, just makes it impossible to assist them.  I had this one recruit just build warthogs and say he was going for ODSTs only, because it was his super unit.  I knew he didn't have a true skill of 34 as he said he was pretty new to the game.

I find this trueskill system is flawed, not because of rank, because of their "trueskill" and how there vary to far from each other.

Felix:

Aloysius:

Felix:

Aloysius:It's the average of all players with a Truskill, it usually hovers around 24-25.

This is done so they can find a game. If they had a Truskill of 0, they would never find a match.

They could find a match with other no ranks, to ease them into a game.

Giving them a true skill of 24-25 doesn't help them, just hurts everyone around them.

Why not give them a true skill of 10-15?  It would make it so much easier for them to get ajusted to the game.

Because the way the TruSkill system works, players with 0 games played have to come in with an Average rating, so that the system can best figure out what their TS is.

Then that's not really Trueskill. 

Where does this average come from anyway? 

I think it would be best for no ranks to have their own skill set of 10-15, so they feel they're amoung their peers of the same skill.  Giving them a "skill" of 24-25 justs makes it harder for them to ease into the game.  As, when they get paired against Brigiders and colonels, they( I would assume) scared and vastly outmatch, which is my a lot of resigns occur.

Also, I can't assume what someone's trueskill is before or during a match, and without the use of mics, just makes it impossible to assist them.  I had this one recruit just build warthogs and say he was going for ODSTs only, because it was his super unit.  I knew he didn't have a true skill of 34 as he said he was pretty new to the game.

I find this trueskill system is flawed, not because of rank, because of their "trueskill" and how there vary to far from each other.

As Aloysius sad it is all with TS. Besides the game can never be perfect. So just deal with it. Besides I get paired up with high ranks even though I am a high rank myself and I still win. Just because they have high ranks doesn't mean they are going to win. So how about learning some strategy and stop being scared s***less every game just because your opponent has a high rank. I have also beaten many brigadiers.

One last thing, if you are tired of having teammates with low ranks then just play 1v1. If all your going to do is complain about how the matchmaking system is bad then play 1v1. That should help your issue with having low rank teammates. But in the end you are just going to have to get over the fear of facing a high rank.

Aloysius:

Felix:

Aloysius:It's the average of all players with a Truskill, it usually hovers around 24-25.

This is done so they can find a game. If they had a Truskill of 0, they would never find a match.

They could find a match with other no ranks, to ease them into a game.

Giving them a true skill of 24-25 doesn't help them, just hurts everyone around them.

Why not give them a true skill of 10-15?  It would make it so much easier for them to get ajusted to the game.

Because the way the TruSkill system works, players with 0 games played have to come in with an Average rating, so that the system can best figure out what their TS is.

also is it even possible to alter trueskill? essentially isnt it all from a premade MS formula that while the game makers for 360 are welcome to use, can't fundamentally change? I honestly have no idea but thats what i thought it was.

and also regarding felix and starting at a lower level coming in at level 25 may in fact be the BEST way to ease new players in, since this way if they are in games with 25s they can learn from the better players or rather more experienced players first hand. Also if the case is that all new people that come in are at 25, you have the same likelyhood of them being on your team or on the other team so in the long run it does balance out in that aspect

litaljohn:

Aloysius:

Felix:

Aloysius:It's the average of all players with a Truskill, it usually hovers around 24-25.

This is done so they can find a game. If they had a Truskill of 0, they would never find a match.

They could find a match with other no ranks, to ease them into a game.

Giving them a true skill of 24-25 doesn't help them, just hurts everyone around them.

Why not give them a true skill of 10-15?  It would make it so much easier for them to get ajusted to the game.

Because the way the TruSkill system works, players with 0 games played have to come in with an Average rating, so that the system can best figure out what their TS is.

 

also is it even possible to alter trueskill? essentially isnt it all from a premade MS formula that while the game makers for 360 are welcome to use, can't fundamentally change? I honestly have no idea but thats what i thought it was.

 

and also regarding felix and starting at a lower level coming in at level 25 may in fact be the BEST way to ease new players in, since this way if they are in games with 25s they can learn from the better players or rather more experienced players first hand. Also if the case is that all new people that come in are at 25, you have the same likelyhood of them being on your team or on the other team so in the long run it does balance out in that aspect

what can they learn from people with no mics and no communication?  They learn spam the super unit, and charge charge charge charge.

It doesn't balance out, as they are still amoung far greater ranks than their own. 

You start small, then work your way up.

litaljohn:

and also regarding felix and starting at a lower level coming in at level 25 may in fact be the BEST way to ease new players in, since this way if they are in games with 25s they can learn from the better players or rather more experienced players first hand. Also if the case is that all new people that come in are at 25, you have the same likelyhood of them being on your team or on the other team so in the long run it does balance out in that aspect

Nah, that's not gonna happen. They don't learn anything from the better players, cuzz the noo.bs get rushed. Then they come to the forums and cry about it. Then they start rushing, but suck at it, come back cry some more....then say every unit is OP.

The matchmaking system shouldn't be based off of True Skill, but instead rank. It would definantly be better because the rank represents their experience time. Lower ranks haven't played as much. Higher ranks have played lots....

More play time generally means better players. Simple.

Felix:

what can they learn from people with no mics and no communication?  They learn spam the super unit, and charge charge charge charge.

It doesn't balance out, as they are still amoung far greater ranks than their own. 

You start small, then work your way up.

Too f***ing true.

The way they see it is Forge = Grizzly, Anders = Hawks, Cutter = ODST

They rarely ever use other units. They just get super unit retarded and don't think counter units at all.

And as for communication in non-party games.....Little Timmy's mom doesn't want him talking to strangers and Joe Suckface is too cool to wear a mic while playing xbox live.

Then there's Mr. Know-it-all. He sucks but still thinks he can tell you what to do, but won't ever listen to you....

Felix:

what can they learn from people with no mics and no communication?  They learn spam the super unit, and charge charge charge charge.

It doesn't balance out, as they are still amoung far greater ranks than their own. 

You start small, then work your way up.

Too f***ing true.

The way they see it is Forge = Grizzly, Anders = Hawks, Cutter = ODST

They rarely ever use other units. They just get super unit retarded and don't think counter units at all.

And as for communication in non-party games.....Little Timmy's mom doesn't want him talking to strangers and Joe Suckface is too cool to wear a mic while playing xbox live.

Then there's Mr. Know-it-all. He sucks but still thinks he can tell you what to do, but won't ever listen to you....

KoG Reaper3:

Felix:

Aloysius:

Felix:

Aloysius:It's the average of all players with a Truskill, it usually hovers around 24-25.

This is done so they can find a game. If they had a Truskill of 0, they would never find a match.

They could find a match with other no ranks, to ease them into a game.

Giving them a true skill of 24-25 doesn't help them, just hurts everyone around them.

Why not give them a true skill of 10-15?  It would make it so much easier for them to get ajusted to the game.

Because the way the TruSkill system works, players with 0 games played have to come in with an Average rating, so that the system can best figure out what their TS is.

Then that's not really Trueskill. 

Where does this average come from anyway? 

I think it would be best for no ranks to have their own skill set of 10-15, so they feel they're amoung their peers of the same skill.  Giving them a "skill" of 24-25 justs makes it harder for them to ease into the game.  As, when they get paired against Brigiders and colonels, they( I would assume) scared and vastly outmatch, which is my a lot of resigns occur.

Also, I can't assume what someone's trueskill is before or during a match, and without the use of mics, just makes it impossible to assist them.  I had this one recruit just build warthogs and say he was going for ODSTs only, because it was his super unit.  I knew he didn't have a true skill of 34 as he said he was pretty new to the game.

I find this trueskill system is flawed, not because of rank, because of their "trueskill" and how there vary to far from each other.

As Aloysius sad it is all with TS. Besides the game can never be perfect. So just deal with it. Besides I get paired up with high ranks even though I am a high rank myself and I still win. Just because they have high ranks doesn't mean they are going to win. So how about learning some strategy and stop being scared s***less every game just because your opponent has a high rank. I have also beaten many brigadiers.

One last thing, if you are tired of having teammates with low ranks then just play 1v1. If all your going to do is complain about how the matchmaking system is bad then play 1v1. That should help your issue with having low rank teammates. But in the end you are just going to have to get over the fear of facing a high rank.

So, your reason for why this happens is because "no game can be perfect"?  If you're going to be an idiot, atleast give valid reasons why these things happen.  What does the first paragraph have anything to do with what I said?  I have plenty of strategies and tricks on how to win.  Just because they have high ranks doesn't mean they'll win, I know this.  What I don't know is whether the recruit/no rank has played many games and actually knows what they are doing.  I really don't care if you've beaten brigidiers, I have too.  What I care about is why I get paired with low ranks whether they're on my team or not.

What?  I stopped playing 1v1 as winning every game rushing got boring for me.  I like large scale battles, and having be beating because the enemy used smarter tactics than I and my allies.  It's not the high ranks or the low ranks I care about, it's about the "Trueskill" searching and matching.