So Halo Wars was the first Halo game to...

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  •  04-07-2009, 9:20 AM 539794

    So Halo Wars was the first Halo game to...

    Finally include a plot which to understand it fully, you had to have read the books or been on Halopedia. Otherwise how else would you have known what Harvest was, why it was important, the fact that there used to be more than one Spartan (I'm sure when some people saw the Spartan for the first time on the screen on the Spirit of Fire they thought it was the Master Chief), there are multiple Arbiters, what the hell a Shield World was, what FTL stood for,  things like that.

     No other Halo game has done this before, so I'd like to say well done Ensemble/Robot for taking a risk and giving the fans what they want, rather than explaining to us what everything was like what happens in the trilogy.

     Your turn, and don't just say things like "Be an RTS", or something like that.


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  •  04-07-2009, 9:31 AM 539803 in reply to 539794

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    Halo Wars was the first Halo game to contain so many (yet, relatively small) dammed plot inconsistencies.

  •  04-07-2009, 11:44 AM 539890 in reply to 539803

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    Shikoku16:

    Halo Wars was the first Halo game to contain so many (yet, relatively small) dammed plot inconsistencies.

    He was trying to be positive you know....

    And I believe Halo Wars was the first to give a sincere try at touching Halo's roots. If you did not know the original Halo game was designed as an RTS for the Mac/PC then was changed to TPS and finally into the FPS we have now. This is an alright attempt at a throwback to its original design.

  •  04-07-2009, 12:35 PM 539933 in reply to 539890

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    Somethings I had to think for and remember what I read in the books but Halo Wars isnt suppose to be like the first three Halos. As for the guy who said there are inconsistencies I dont see how. I dont see Halo Wars being over yet so the story is only partially told thats why it may seem like it doesnt follow what the books (which I may add dont even go with the games that good themselves) or the games yet cause its not done.
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  •  04-07-2009, 12:43 PM 539941 in reply to 539794

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    Correction: Halo Wars was the first Halo game to be made almost entirely without any interaction with Bungie, and Ensemble, left to their own devices, have succeeded in crafting the glossiest and most beautifully presented piles on nonsence I have ever seen.

     It really seems to me that they put an awful lot of effort into making it look like a Halo game, and very little effort into making it a Halo game.

     The story is terrible. They created so many plot inconsistancies and I just can't tell you how many times I found myself yelling at the sheer ridiculouslesness of the story progression.

    admiral bunny:Somethings I had to think for and remember what I read in the books but Halo Wars isnt suppose to be like the first three Halos. As for the guy who said there are inconsistencies I dont see how. I dont see Halo Wars being over yet so the story is only partially told thats why it may seem like it doesnt follow what the books (which I may add dont even go with the games that good themselves) or the games yet cause its not done.

     

    First of all, what are you, ten? lrn2 english. Second, Halo Wars is RIDDLED with plot holes. Some I suppose are acceptable considering they are for gameplay reasons (spartan lasers),  but to this day I still resent that Ensemble thought it was okay to put the flood in. If you were familiar with the backstroy, you'd know how blasphemous an insinuation that is.


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  •  04-07-2009, 12:55 PM 539955 in reply to 539933

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    Double post.

    I apologize.

    But I'm not sorry.

    And I meant all of it.

    Okay, I don't apologize

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  •  04-07-2009, 12:59 PM 539958 in reply to 539955

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    Did you know what Master Chief was in Halo 1, did you understand why there were all-of-a-sudden aliens attacking him?

    Did you understand that?


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  •  04-07-2009, 3:51 PM 540137 in reply to 539958

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    Chuckles:

    Did you know what Master Chief was in Halo 1, did you understand why there were all-of-a-sudden aliens attacking him?

    Did you understand that?

     Yes. Yes I did. You mind elaborating? Maybe you could tell us what you're trying to say.


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    But I'm not sorry.

    And I meant all of it.

    Okay, I don't apologize

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  •  04-07-2009, 3:58 PM 540142 in reply to 540137

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    Halo Wars was the first halo game that should have only be made for the PC...

    oh ya, the story was crap...


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  •  04-07-2009, 5:10 PM 540255 in reply to 540142

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    Felix:

    Halo Wars was the first halo game that should have only be made for the PC...

    oh ya, the story was crap...

    agreed ;D i mean come on i think they spent more time on the movies clips than the damm game it self!



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  •  04-07-2009, 8:15 PM 540496 in reply to 539794

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    Wolverfrog49:

    Finally include a plot which to understand it fully, you had to have read the books or been on Halopedia. Otherwise how else would you have known what Harvest was, why it was important, the fact that there used to be more than one Spartan (I'm sure when some people saw the Spartan for the first time on the screen on the Spirit of Fire they thought it was the Master Chief), there are multiple Arbiters, what the hell a Shield World was, what FTL stood for,  things like that.

     No other Halo game has done this before, so I'd like to say well done Ensemble/Robot for taking a risk and giving the fans what they want, rather than explaining to us what everything was like what happens in the trilogy.

     Your turn, and don't just say things like "Be an RTS", or something like that.

     

    Actually, I'd like to disagree with a few things. The Halo 1 instruction manual will tell people about Harvest and the Spartans. Even if you didn't read that, it's pretty obvious in the context that there were more Spartans and Harvest was a human world. 

     

    Multiple Arbiters was a concept introduced with the Arbiter in Halo 2. I don't believe any novel elaborated on it any more than that cutscene.

     

    Once again, the concept of a shield world and "FTL" could be deduced by looking at them within the context of the game. Even if you can't figure out what a shield world exactly is, it's not like it's a very important part of the story.  

  •  04-07-2009, 8:41 PM 540549 in reply to 540496

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    Devilmingy:

    Actually, I'd like to disagree with a few things. The Halo 1 instruction manual will tell people about Harvest and the Spartans. Even if you didn't read that, it's pretty obvious in the context that there were more Spartans and Harvest was a human world. 

    This I dont disagree with, however Halo Wars is the first game to actually employ multiple Spartan-II's in one combat theater. Ones that are visable atleast.

    Devilmingy:

    Multiple Arbiters was a concept introduced with the Arbiter in Halo 2. I don't believe any novel elaborated on it any more than that cutscene.

    I do not dispute this either, though Halo Wars did bring further definition to the Arbiters during the Human/Covenant War. As Ripa 'Moramee was the 17th Arbiter in the line of the Immaculate Succession while Thel 'Vadam was the 20th Arbiter (no line spesified). Thus it appears that there were atleast two if not more Arbiters who served in the Human/Covenant War. (not the "confirmed" 4 that Halopedia suggests).

    I say that Thel 'Vadam's line is undefined as there has been no data given from either Bungie or Microsoft to lable him from any particular line. Thus the idiots at Halopedia assumed he was part of the same line that Arbiter Ripa 'Moramee is a part of.

    Devilmingy: 

    Once again, the concept of a shield world and "FTL" could be deduced by looking at them within the context of the game. Even if you can't figure out what a shield world exactly is, it's not like it's a very important part of the story.  

    I dispute your Shield World arguement. Halo Wars is the only game what so ever to show a Shield World, bar none. Not even the "planet" we see at the end of Halo 3 is a confirmed Shield World. At this point it is just another planet.

    And only two times in all of Halo 3 was there even the slightest mention of the Shield Worlds, and those come from terminals 5 (which only refers to facilities in an "Onyx Project", of which we dont have a clue, just assumtions) and 7 (where they are possably refered to by the words "shield of privilege" though this is also assumed, not confirmed).

    So I conclude that Halo Wars is the only game in the Halo series that deals with Shield Worlds.

    The FTL thing is not something that bothers me. So your point can stand.

     EDIT: I forgot to mention, Halo Wars is the first game in the Halo series to make me vomit because of the Flood being in the game. Not a good move but whatever, I wasnt payed to make it so whatever.

  •  04-07-2009, 8:46 PM 540560 in reply to 539941

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    Lysander:

    Correction: Halo Wars was the first Halo game to be made almost entirely without any interaction with Bungie, and Ensemble, left to their own devices, have succeeded in crafting the glossiest and most beautifully presented piles on nonsence I have ever seen.

     It really seems to me that they put an awful lot of effort into making it look like a Halo game, and very little effort into making it a Halo game.

     The story is terrible. They created so many plot inconsistancies and I just can't tell you how many times I found myself yelling at the sheer ridiculouslesness of the story progression.

    admiral bunny:Somethings I had to think for and remember what I read in the books but Halo Wars isnt suppose to be like the first three Halos. As for the guy who said there are inconsistencies I dont see how. I dont see Halo Wars being over yet so the story is only partially told thats why it may seem like it doesnt follow what the books (which I may add dont even go with the games that good themselves) or the games yet cause its not done.

     

    First of all, what are you, ten? lrn2 english. Second, Halo Wars is RIDDLED with plot holes. Some I suppose are acceptable considering they are for gameplay reasons (spartan lasers),  but to this day I still resent that Ensemble thought it was okay to put the flood in. If you were familiar with the backstroy, you'd know how blasphemous an insinuation that is.

     

    Elaborate.

  •  04-07-2009, 9:34 PM 540613 in reply to 539941

    Re: So Halo Wars was the first Halo game to...

    Lysander:

    Correction: Halo Wars was the first Halo game to be made almost entirely without any interaction with Bungie, and Ensemble, left to their own devices, have succeeded in crafting the glossiest and most beautifully presented piles on nonsence I have ever seen.

     It really seems to me that they put an awful lot of effort into making it look like a Halo game, and very little effort into making it a Halo game.

     The story is terrible. They created so many plot inconsistancies and I just can't tell you how many times I found myself yelling at the sheer ridiculouslesness of the story progression.

    admiral bunny:Somethings I had to think for and remember what I read in the books but Halo Wars isnt suppose to be like the first three Halos. As for the guy who said there are inconsistencies I dont see how. I dont see Halo Wars being over yet so the story is only partially told thats why it may seem like it doesnt follow what the books (which I may add dont even go with the games that good themselves) or the games yet cause its not done.

     

    First of all, what are you, ten? lrn2 english. Second, Halo Wars is RIDDLED with plot holes. Some I suppose are acceptable considering they are for gameplay reasons (spartan lasers),  but to this day I still resent that Ensemble thought it was okay to put the flood in. If you were familiar with the backstroy, you'd know how blasphemous an insinuation that is.

     

    agreed. 

     

    halo wars is full of MANY plot holes. and its annoying.


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  •  04-07-2009, 11:58 PM 540776 in reply to 540613

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    and the flood them selves! oh my guys, remember in halo CE when u first encountered the things? how they popped open those steal doors, or how u watched the video of Johnson and his doomed squad? that was a little scary for me i was honestly goin WTF!?!

    but in halo wars ever thing was so calm about the flood, they didnt have any scariness at all...just anannoyance rly..

    esemble shouldnt have ever even thought about putting the flood in with out making them more flood like!



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