Please read this if you opened the thread. I know you will probably claim "USE THE SEARCH BAR" or that this thread is spam but I really dont do that kind of crap often. Also I am not willing to necro a thread that has been dead for over a quarter of a year. It brings back to many painful memories.

Now on to the main issue. I want you all to post a list of what you think is wrong with the canon of this game. I dont care what it is nor how long it takes you to post it. Just do it as I am getting sick and tired of seeing that same old excuse being used over and over again. It is insulting as I see it whenever ES is mentioned or when a good thread turns sour. Generally the "issues with canon" cause such a disturbance in the force.

So please compile a list of your canon issues and present them to me either via PM or just as a post on this thread. I will deal with them once and for all. You all will probably get the same answer too. But that will have to wait until you decide to post here.

Good luck,

Frog 

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Cyclops, flamethrower and Prophets on the battlefield.
I'll explain exactly why the last two are just not right, im not very knowledgeable about the cyclops however.

But I have class now, I'll update this post late.

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L0d3x:

Cyclops, flamethrower and Prophets on the battlefield.
I'll explain exactly why the last two are just not right, im not very knowledgeable about the cyclops however.

But I have class now, I'll update this post late.

flamethrower isn't too bad,but i admit i didn't expect it. and prophets are leaders which are skirmish only

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I think a lot of people are confusing canon issues with general-halo-feel issues.

if ES added a hidden death star to the game, it would be halo canon, it would just break with that great halo "feel" that even ES talks about so much. 

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thats not canon...what would be Fanon...for something like that to be canon...it needs Bungie's approval...

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The flamethrower should be a staple of the Halo Wars game considering it took Bungie two games to get that weapon in there that they defiantly wanted in.

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L0d3x:

Cyclops, flamethrower and Prophets on the battlefield.
I'll explain exactly why the last two are just not right, im not very knowledgeable about the cyclops however.

But I have class now, I'll update this post late.

Ok first off I will give you the generic version of why this is wrong.

What sources do you have for canon during this time period? All we have is the book Halo: Contact Harvest and that bairly scratches the surface of the war. No in fact it bairly scratches the very beginning of the war. We have no data on units, tactics or any other issues during that time period other then dates of fallen colonies.

This is a huge issue as we dont have this information. Therefore any argument about canon being wrong for this game is completely ludicrous. You have no canon to base your arguement upon. They are dealing with a time period that none of us has seen before. Its a completely new set of canon.

Now the spesific versions.

Cyclops:

Once again we dont know what kind of special weapons projects or existing units were around during that spesific time period. There have been several plausable theories as to how this unit fits into this game. I wont go into those details though. You dont have to like it but it is completely canon at this point. There is no evidence that this unit was never in the Halo Universe and thats final. I challenge you to find me something that says other wise.

Flamethrower Marine:

The flamethrower has appeared in several Halo games already. Why wouldnt it already be around during this time period? I specifically point you to the earliest sighting of the flamethrower. That would be in Halo: Combat Evolved. Its in the PC version for multiplayer. The it again appears in Halo 3. Its not pretty but its effective and very very useful.

Prophets:

Prophets are widely known to travel along side their fleets on flagships. It is very possable that during an engagement that some prophets were forced to be on the ground during combat operations. Granted they would avoid combat at all costs it still is possable that they could have been forced in to that roll at one time or another. We just dont know enough about the other battles to truely know this for sure. So again there is no actual canon saying otherwise.

In fact if you look at the instance at Instillation 04 you will find a Prophet in an actual combat zone. This can more or less support this theory. 

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VaultingFrog:

L0d3x:

Cyclops, flamethrower and Prophets on the battlefield.
I'll explain exactly why the last two are just not right, im not very knowledgeable about the cyclops however.

But I have class now, I'll update this post late.

Ok first off I will give you the generic version of why this is wrong.

What sources do you have for canon during this time period? All we have is the book Halo: Contact Harvest and that bairly scratches the surface of the war. No in fact it bairly scratches the very beginning of the war. We have no data on units, tactics or any other issues during that time period other then dates of fallen colonies.

This is a huge issue as we dont have this information. Therefore any argument about canon being wrong for this game is completely ludicrous. You have no canon to base your arguement upon. They are dealing with a time period that none of us has seen before. Its a completely new set of canon.

Now the spesific versions.

Cyclops:

Once again we dont know what kind of special weapons projects or existing units were around during that spesific time period. There have been several plausable theories as to how this unit fits into this game. I wont go into those details though. You dont have to like it but it is completely canon at this point. There is no evidence that this unit was never in the Halo Universe and thats final. I challenge you to find me something that says other wise.

Flamethrower Marine:

The flamethrower has appeared in several Halo games already. Why wouldnt it already be around during this time period? I spesificly point you to the earliest siting of the flamethrower. That would be in Halo: Combat Evolved. Its in the PC version for multiplayer. The it again appears in Halo 3. Its not pretty but its effective and very very useful.

Prophets:

Prophets are widely known to travel along side their fleets on flagships. It is very possable that during an engagement that some prophets were forced to be on the ground during combat operations. Granted they would avoid combat at all costs it still is possable that they could have been forced in to that roll at one time or another. We just dont know enough about the other battles to truely know this for sure. So again there is no actual canon saying otherwise.

In fact if you look at the instance at Instillation 04 you will find a Prophet in an actual combat zone. This can more or less support this theory. 

 

well, up untill 2552, we wern't even positave that prophets existed so I doubt that we saw them in battle.

and on installation 04, the only place the Prophets were was at the very center of High Charity.  they had no reason to believe that that might become a combat zone, and as soon as it meraciulously became one, the Prophets scattered. 

 

but I think the prophets will only be in skirmish mode, so it is ok. 

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goooo vaultingfrog. prove these kids rongggg!!!!!

im sick of people always sayin u have to obey the canon anything else is bad. too all that believe that i say ur full of crap. u guys do realise how boring HW will be if there arnt enough units on the unsc side. covies hav so much diversity whilst unsc hav none. not a fair playing field for rts.

u guys just say crap half the time saying ohhh its uncanon it shouldnt be in the game, when really u just dont like the unit and therefore r trying to prove that with brains from the book that it shouldnt be in there. i havent heard anyone argue bout the wolverine being uncanon which i heard never appears in the books. soo it dont make sense how u except some but not others.

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blackout131:

I think a lot of people are confusing canon issues with general-halo-feel issues.

if ES added a hidden death star to the game, it would be halo canon, it would just break with that great halo "feel" that even ES talks about so much. 

exactly what i was thinking when i read the rant about the cyclops and prophet. WE JUST DONT KNOW there has never been a moment in the halo universe were they directly said that the cyclops doesnt exist, not only do we not know enough about the time period between halo 1 - 3, we practically know nothing nothing compared bungie and ES as they made it all we have are the books. bingie and ES know if something contradicts something else, they arnt as stupid as you guy depit them to be

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blackout131:

well, up untill 2552, we wern't even positave that prophets existed so I doubt that we saw them in battle.

and on installation 04, the only place the Prophets were was at the very center of High Charity.  they had no reason to believe that that might become a combat zone, and as soon as it meraciulously became one, the Prophets scattered. 

 

but I think the prophets will only be in skirmish mode, so it is ok. 

They didnt exist in our reality correct. Though it still is possable that they were forced into a situation of combat none the less. Just because we didnt see them reported doesnt mean that they werent around. Just like the Hunters. No Marines survived long enough to make a report about the Hunters until the Battle for Sigma Octanus IV. 

It doesnt mean that the Hunters didnt exist or werent ever deployed, we just didnt survive them long enough to let anybody else know about them. The same could be said of the Prophets. Along with their Honor Guard escort they would trash just about every group of Marines out there. So it still is possable though fairly unlikely.

There has been a Prophet in active combat dude. There was The Minister of Etiology aboard the Infinite Succor. He was forced into combat against the Flood when the Elites under the command of Rtas 'Vadumee (still currently with the Covenant) boarded the ship in an attempt to retake it. This particular action was held above Installation 04 with the Fleet of Particular Justice.

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Forced being the primary word. I can tolerate them on the battlefield, but not on your front lines, close to a mass of UNSC forces. The screenshots show that

And besides, how would you kill them? They seem to have the same capabilities as Regret did when you fought him in Halo 2. Having to board them with Spartans would be a chore.

P.S nice to see you Frog.

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The whole 'nothing says it doesn't exist' theory holds no substance. Yes we have next to no information from that time period. But that just means we have to use reasoning. If I were to say that the UNSC had an army of robotic chainsaw swinging warriors, would that be cannon because no one specifically stated that there weren't? If you follow that logic, then you should go to the Halo fanon wiki. That stuff is absolutely preposterous.

But back to what I said: we have to use reasoning. Whenever ES or anyone else working on a Halo related project wants to introduce a new unit, they need to follow a specific process. I goes something like this: "We need a dedicated anti-air unit for the UNSCDF." Now they need to ask the question: "How would the UNSC go about executing that?" It's not 'how can we make this look cool'. The reason no one b!thces about the wolverine is because Ensemble did a good job of making it feel convincingly UNSC. Drawing from existing vehicles and design themes, we can say that the wolverine shares many themes with UNSC design style. The cyclops, on the other hand, is just nuts.There really is nothing that would suggest that the UNSC had the ability or the desire to build a powered exoskeleton. And for what I know everyone wants to say, the MJOLNIR is a small-scale, man-sized neuro-linked powered armor. It's unbelievably advanced and expensive. Even if you were to convince me that the UNSC had a powered exoskeleton for heavy lifting and industrial purposes, you couldn't convince me that the UNSC would have the whim to repurpose it to punch tanks.

The thing is that Halo canon and Halo feel are very similar and very intertwined. Look, if you want to talk about that, look for the thread 'The original vision of Halowars: has it been compromised?". It talks about the Halo feel and whatnot.

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VaultingFrog:

blackout131:

well, up untill 2552, we wern't even positave that prophets existed so I doubt that we saw them in battle.

and on installation 04, the only place the Prophets were was at the very center of High Charity.  they had no reason to believe that that might become a combat zone, and as soon as it meraciulously became one, the Prophets scattered. 

 

but I think the prophets will only be in skirmish mode, so it is ok. 

They didnt exist in our reality correct. Though it still is possable that they were forced into a situation of combat none the less. Just because we didnt see them reported doesnt mean that they werent around. Just like the Hunters. No Marines survived long enough to make a report about the Hunters until the Battle for Sigma Octanus IV. 

It doesnt mean that the Hunters didnt exist or werent ever deployed, we just didnt survive them long enough to let anybody else know about them. The same could be said of the Prophets. Along with their Honor Guard escort they would trash just about every group of Marines out there. So it still is possable though fairly unlikely.

There has been a Prophet in active combat dude. There was The Minister of Etiology aboard the Infinite Succor. He was forced into combat against the Flood when the Elites under the command of Rtas 'Vadumee (still currently with the Covenant) boarded the ship in an attempt to retake it. This particular action was held above Installation 04 with the Fleet of Particular Justice.

There was another one on the Fleet of Particular Justice also...he was always accompanied by an Elite...sure he wasnt IN a battlefield, but it was a combat zone anyway, and as said before, just because the storyline that follows MC says a Prophet wasn't ever seen doesn't mean it wasnt deployed...

AND

If ES does want to add something new for Halo...THEY...NEED...BUNGIE'S...APPROVAL...UNLESS...BUNGIE TELLS THEM

"OK YOU HAVE THE GAME'S RIGHTS...DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, MAKE SPARTAN'S WEAKNESSES THE CATS!..." 

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VaultingFrog:

L0d3x:

Cyclops, flamethrower and Prophets on the battlefield.
I'll explain exactly why the last two are just not right, im not very knowledgeable about the cyclops however.

But I have class now, I'll update this post late.

Ok first off I will give you the generic version of why this is wrong.

What sources do you have for canon during this time period? All we have is the book Halo: Contact Harvest and that bairly scratches the surface of the war. No in fact it bairly scratches the very beginning of the war. We have no data on units, tactics or any other issues during that time period other then dates of fallen colonies.

This is a huge issue as we dont have this information. Therefore any argument about canon being wrong for this game is completely ludicrous. You have no canon to base your arguement upon. They are dealing with a time period that none of us has seen before. Its a completely new set of canon.

I never brought canon in this, but I only care about the halo feeling. This feeling is based on my experience with the books and games.
It's hard to explain what gives units that certain halo feeling, but it seems I'm not the only one who agrees these units don't feel like a unit in the halo verse.

Now the spesific versions.

Cyclops:

Once again we dont know what kind of special weapons projects or existing units were around during that spesific time period. There have been several plausable theories as to how this unit fits into this game. I wont go into those details though. You dont have to like it but it is completely canon at this point. There is no evidence that this unit was never in the Halo Universe and thats final. I challenge you to find me something that says other wise.

The cyclopse isn't a unit that matches the feeling that bungie created for the UNSC. It's as simple as that, and yes it obviously is a personal feeling. And I'm not the only one who feels this way.
You could argue that many do not share my view, but many of those would be mainstream gamers who don't give a rat's ass about how units feel in this game.

Flamethrower Marine:

The flamethrower has appeared in several Halo games already. Why wouldnt it already be around during this time period? I spesificly point you to the earliest siting of the flamethrower. That would be in Halo: Combat Evolved. Its in the PC version for multiplayer. The it again appears in Halo 3. Its not pretty but its effective and very very useful.

And it's almost never used. Let's take a look at the description of this unit by ES: "Only used against heavily entrenched infantry, or as a defoliage tool". Yet we see this unit make it's appearing as a default infantry type, which makes no sense at all.

Prophets:

Prophets are widely known to travel along side their fleets on flagships. It is very possable that during an engagement that some prophets were forced to be on the ground during combat operations. Granted they would avoid combat at all costs it still is possable that they could have been forced in to that roll at one time or another. We just dont know enough about the other battles to truely know this for sure. So again there is no actual canon saying otherwise.

In fact if you look at the instance at Instillation 04 you will find a Prophet in an actual combat zone. This can more or less support this theory.

Calling an argument about a game a "theory" is simply laughable, but anyways. To the covenant's knowledge that zone was not a combat zone. The UNSC basically had one ship that traveled along with the covenant fleet. So that argument is invalid (PS, wasn't this installation 05?).

Also, it just doesn't make sense to have politicians on a battlefield. The only explanation could be that there are some kind of battle prophets. But yet we see Regret on the battlefield.

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