The Halo-verse

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

Spartan R41 — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:46:15 GMT

Shikoku16:
btw, did the brutes not wearing armor really have a canonical reason? They had armor, only in small quantities. Bungie intended to make the Jiralhanae look like big, broad, loud almost uncontrollable beasts who stopped for nothing. Different sets of armor would have taken a lot of time to create, same with the lack of weapons and therefore seeing Brutes runnning around with rocket launchers and shotguns. Which canonical reasons were made up for -after- the games release. Now is it so hard to believe that it could have just been gamedevelopers rushing to reach a deadline?

While that may have been the reason at the time of Halo 2 and on official terms, the punishment for Harvest was the canonical reason given, yes.

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

Shikoku16 — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:56:18 GMT

DFang:
JymXu:
In Halo 3, all the Flood went to the Ark, then the Halo ring was activated, killing all the Flood there.
So, does anyone know if there was any Flood that didn't go to the Ark.
Maybe some that were still on other Halos.
I know they could have the Flood reappear if they wanted to but maybe someone knows for sure one way or the other.
There are still flood samples on the other halos, they probably haven't broken out, 005 was an accident.

Not to forget other forerunner megastructures such as Shield Worlds, Relics and probably many other Forerunner controlled places in the universe. It wouldn't even be unlogical to assume multiple Graveminds to exist even within this universe.

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

DFang — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:50:29 GMT

JymXu:
In Halo 3, all the Flood went to the Ark, then the Halo ring was activated, killing all the Flood there.
So, does anyone know if there was any Flood that didn't go to the Ark.
Maybe some that were still on other Halos.
I know they could have the Flood reappear if they wanted to but maybe someone knows for sure one way or the other.

There are still flood samples on the other halos, they probably haven't broken out, 005 was an accident.

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

Shikoku16 — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:42:04 GMT

As per returning to the original subject 'the flood' We have never had any confirmation of the flood actually being entirely swept from the earth. As fleetmaster Rtas Vadumee said 'Once single flood spore could destroy a species' Although half Africa being glassed there is no certainty the flood was wiped out.

Now that would be some ending to Halo. Imagine, Master Chief fighting it's way of the Forerunner planet, escape on a Forerunner vessel only to find earth, humanity's last stand, been overrun by the flood.

btw, did the brutes not wearing armor really have a canonical reason? They had armor, only in small quantities. Bungie intended to make the Jiralhanae look like big, broad, loud almost uncontrollable beasts who stopped for nothing. Different sets of armor would have taken a lot of time to create, same with the lack of weapons and therefore seeing Brutes runnning around with rocket launchers and shotguns. Which canonical reasons were made up for -after- the games release. Now is it so hard to believe that it could have just been gamedevelopers rushing to reach a deadline?

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

Spartan R41 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:31:22 GMT

The Prophets wouldn't have sent them into battle. That's their punishment. The only reason they were re-instated into combat was the death of every prophet but the one that supported them; Truth. With the other two prophets alive, there's a very very very slim chance the Brutes would be allowed to enter into combat.

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

therealhippias — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:27:42 GMT

Granted, but armor or not I still think we could see them in their Halo 2 form. I just find it hard to believe that the Prophets would not send in Brutes with the ground forces or as rear echelon troops as you said. They had to start somewhere. What if the battle of Reach was the event that helped propel the Brutes/Tartarus into the limelight so to speak? One never knows what the machinations of the Prophets are between novels or games.

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

Spartan R41 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:05:30 GMT

therealhippias:
As far as the Halo: Reach convo goes, there COULD be Brutes in it and that wouldn't breach canon. It was the Brutes that made first contact on Harvest according to the novels. They could be in it in some form, but probably not mainline troops like the Elites or Grunts.

No, they can't. Here's why. Yes, the Brutes were an operable extension of the Covenant during Harvest, and were the first contact between Humans and Covenant. However, due to their failure in the eyes of the Prophets, the Brutes were taken from military action and placed on Guard duty on High Charity and some Covenant Cruisers. They were not allowed to wear armor- as seen in Halo 2- and were forbidden to take place in combat.With the schism of the Covenant, the Brutes were restored to power- after the fall of Regret, no less.

If we were to see them in Halo: Reach, we would have to either infiltrate High Charity or a high-ranking Covenant Cruiser or Flagship. Even then, there would only be one or so. As it was difficult to get ships off-world, I see this as being a null option. We've more chance of encountering Huragok than Brutes.

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

therealhippias — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:47:49 GMT

As far as the Halo: Reach convo goes, there COULD be Brutes in it and that wouldn't breach canon. It was the Brutes that made first contact on Harvest according to the novels. They could be in it in some form, but probably not mainline troops like the Elites or Grunts.

Now, the Flood is definetely still alive. They were hibernating until they were released in Halo Wars and Halo: CE. There was no Gravemind at that time yet the infection forms were still around. Unless the Sangheili and Humans do a planet by planet sweep its impossible to say the Flood is gone, especially when you take into account that the Flood took nearly every Forerunner planet and the Forerunner civilization spanned the whole galaxy. There could be thousands planets filled with Flood.

It will always be around.

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

Spartan R41 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:48:26 GMT

Im Allhere:
i thought at the end of halo 3, the rings were all distroyed not just the ark. i thought the self distruct was for the whole system. It wasn't a "self-destruct", the second Installation 04 just couldn't handle the firing sequence so it basically shook itself apart, resulting in a large explodion.
the ark was out side the range of the rings so life could go on and come back after the rings fired. the flood can die and does if you shoot it enough. This made little to no sense. It wasn't the Ark firing all the Halo array in the Milky Way at the end of Halo 3, it was only the second Installation 04. It was a local blast meant to destroy the Flood and Gravemind on the Ark alone.
since they came from another galaxy then maybe they will be back.

I hope we get to be spartan IIIs in halo reach but what ever... Very, very doubtful. You never hear mention of them in The Fall of Reach, so it's likely that they're either still being trained, or on another planet. I don't think we'll see SIII's in Reach.

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

staabjesse1 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:53:51 GMT

most likely since halo and halo2 both had flood imprisioned in the rings i would have to say that there are flood in each ring

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

HighArkAngel — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:25:43 GMT

The flood are definitely still alive (after all they cant be stopped) BUT Gravemind is dead so yeah...

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

Im Allhere — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:31:40 GMT

i thought at the end of halo 3, the rings were all distroyed not just the ark. i thought the self distruct was for the whole system.

the ark was out side the range of the rings so life could go on and come back after the rings fired. the flood can die and does if you shoot it enough.

since they came from another galaxy then maybe they will be back.

I hope we get to be spartan IIIs in halo reach but what ever...

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

tmspartan — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:37:02 GMT

Spartan R41:I'm not sure I understand who you were "aiming" at. If me, well I always try to spell correctly. Call it OCD or just being nit-picky, it's what I do.

Oh sorry, I didn't mean it towards you I was speaking of jun jun bean.

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

Chuckles — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:53:39 GMT

Librarian Didact: Offensive Bias? I thought all the older members have left. All the join dates I've seen around here are 2009's...

Redlightning!!!!!
(Wasn't that your old username?)

Re: Flood, alive or dead?

X D3a7hscy7h3X — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:03:00 GMT

Umm I think he was def talking about he jun jun bean person.