tmspartan:

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Back to the problem. A Tech 1 unit, has no Tech 1 counters

Lets put in some counters then. Make Hogs a better fight against Gremlins, by making Gremlins take more damage from Hogs. A good way would also to be Gremlins take like an extra 20% damage from ram. Also, Marines should do more damage to gremlins.

Let me ask everyone something. If hypertheicly, Gremlins could be counterd by Marines, and also did not WTFPwn Hogs. If the Gremlin's power as brought down to an acceptable level would you consider that balance?

So what you're proposing is that a vehicle counter, doesn't counter vehicles? Gremlins should annihilate Hogs and Tanks, but they should be raised to Tech 2. That is a decent balance.

Given the fact that they can be built from the main base means that you can still have enough Gremlins to counter tanks at T2. And if marines are a problem, then wouldn't flamethrowers help? Counters should work and be balanced enough so they're not OP.

Thats not what I said at all, I didn't mention anything about Taks, except that Gremlins beating tanks was never the problem. I am saying that they shouldn't just wreck hogs up. Theres like a 3-1 counter ratio with Gremlins. 2 Gremlins can deal with 6 hogs, both sides wiltak heavy hits, and micro will infleunce the outcome but still, thats a 400-1150. It should be more like 400-600, thats a more acceptable counter. Once Gremlins get to Chain Amp, even with the proposed damage nerf, then Chain Amp will wreck hogs up.

Once you got to Tech 2, you can beat a Gremlin with Tech 2 units, there was no problem here. It was that, by the time you reached Tech 2, Anders would already be massively in the lead.

I liked this line "Counters should work and be balanced enough so they're not OP" I agree with this line, but what Robot wans to do is remove the Gremlin, not balance it. As it stands, the Gremlins totaly owns Hogs, and easily counters early Marines, so lets take what you said, ad balance it so its not OP, and thats done by reducing its power, not killing the unit.

I ask my question again. If the power of the Gremlin was acceptable, and it could be counter, do you think its balanced?