For a while they were. The Second Class was canonized with the acceptance of the "I Love Bees" storyline, the Axon Clips. In this, we're told of a Spartan II - Yasmine Zaman - who was conscripted into the Spartan II program on September 16th, 2537.

Bungie has stated that the Axon Clips are considered canon, and so the second class is canon as well. While Halsey's funds were diverted for the Spartan III program, she was able to eventually begin the second class.

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Spartan R41:

For a while they were. The Second Class was canonized with the acceptance of the "I Love Bees" storyline, the Axon Clips. In this, we're told of a Spartan II - Yasmine Zaman - who was conscripted into the Spartan II program on September 16th, 2537.

Bungie has stated that the Axon Clips are considered canon, and so the second class is canon as well. While Halsey's funds were diverted for the Spartan III program, she was able to eventually begin the second class.

I always thought of Yasmine Zaman as kind of non-canonical.  Oh, well. 

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The Covenant does have AI. Cortana encountered one, an unnamed AI on the ship Ascendant Justice. She was also able to destroy it. Plus, almost every single Covenant weapon and vehicle is derived from Forerunner tech. While it's preached that it's heresy to alter them, the Prophets did it at times. So what would stop them from making an AI?

Okay i missed that because i have not read first strike in a while

Spartan R41:

343 Guilty Spark was over 100,000 years old, giving him ample time to over-process information and "out think" himself. Spark was rampant. There was no such thing as a "Perfect" AI, and even Forerunner AI went rampant. Just look at Mendicant Bias.

There is such a thing as a perfect A.I. it is a sentient A.I. that has limits to how it learns, A.I.'s "die" because they gain information to fast and end up getting contradictory information that are both considered right and cannot possibly rationalize all this information OR gets it will start to think its better than its creators and does not need them to do its job. A perfect A.I. is purely programed un-like the Smart A.I.'s that must copy neural pathways, which is its greatest strength and weakness, they learn like Smart A.I.'s but can last forever like Dumb A.I.'s, they know that they are equal's with their creators and may have different responsibilities

fiery grave:

There is such a thing as a perfect A.I. it is a sentient A.I. that has limits to how it learns, A.I.'s "die" because they gain information to fast and end up getting contradictory information that are both considered right and cannot possibly rationalize all this information OR gets it will start to think its better than its creators and does not need them to do its job. A perfect A.I. is purely programed un-like the Smart A.I.'s that must copy neural pathways, which is its greatest strength and weakness, they learn like Smart A.I.'s but can last forever like Dumb A.I.'s, they know that they are equal's with their creators and may have different responsibilities

I have never heard/read of one. Name one for me.

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I have never heard/read of one. Name one for me.

 

They don't really exist its a technological impossible for us right now, its all theory i even  did a a research project on them for my computer programming class, but they may be possible for the forerunner. And besides we don't know if Spark was active the entire time he may be activated when the flood was released or when the ring detected presence on the ring.

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Spartan R41:

I have never heard/read of one. Name one for me.

 

They don't really exist its a technological impossible for us right now, its all theory i even  did a a research project on them for my computer programming class, but they may be possible for the forerunner. And besides we don't know if Spark was active the entire time he may be activated when the flood was released or when the ring detected presence on the ring.

A school project :S hmmm you comparing real life to a game??

they may exist but nothing is perfect the monitors not even cortana or dileck was a perfect AI just smart ones i kinda remember reading about it but it was possibly telling the difference between the 3 but non are known withing the halo universe so its a rumor at best,

And spark was doing maintenance and such on the halo ring for 100.000 years at no point was he un-active as his job is 2 maintain the ring

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The Covenant eat planets.

fiery grave:

They don't really exist its a technological impossible for us right now, its all theory i even  did a a research project on them for my computer programming class, but they may be possible for the forerunner. And besides we don't know if Spark was active the entire time he may be activated when the flood was released or when the ring detected presence on the ring.

One could say that anything is possible, especially for the Forerunners - were we to use this mindset. However a "Perfect" A.I. never existed in the Haloverse. If the Forerunner were able to create them, then why did their greatest A.I, Mendicant Bias, go rampant? If Mendicant was able to go rampant at a mere conversation with the Flood, what makes you think Spark would survive 100,000 years of repetitive maintinance without going rampant?

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fiery grave:

They don't really exist its a technological impossible for us right now, its all theory i even  did a a research project on them for my computer programming class, but they may be possible for the forerunner. And besides we don't know if Spark was active the entire time he may be activated when the flood was released or when the ring detected presence on the ring.

One could say that anything is possible, especially for the Forerunners - were we to use this mindset. However a "Perfect" A.I. never existed in the Haloverse. If the Forerunner were able to create them, then why did their greatest A.I, Mendicant Bias, go rampant? If Mendicant was able to go rampant at a mere conversation with the Flood, what makes you think Spark would survive 100,000 years of repetitive maintinance without going rampant?

 Surely the fact that Mendicant Bias chose to go rampant after speaking with the Gravemind tells us that he is indeed a perfect AI, with free will.

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But if he's perfect, could it be considered rampancy? Rampancy is an A.I, going insane. If Mendicant were truly "perfect," he would have seen past the lies of the Gravemind, known his purpose for creation, and chosen to do the right thing. Instead it seems he was driven to rampancy through an abundance of information, and acted irrationally.

Not only was Mendicant confirmed rampant by Bungie, but he (and possibly the Monitors) we're the most advanced A.I. the Forerunner's had developed - Contender-class A.I. While his rampancy was voluntary, buying into the lies, he was rampant nonetheless. This is told in the Halo 3 Terminals.

He even goes as far as to realize his faults. Hardly perfect, in my opinion.

 

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I see we both have different opinions on what 'perfect' means here. You seem to think it means that the AI is pure, and good, whilst I think it means that the AI is like a human.

 

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Wolverfrog49:

I see we both have different opinions on what 'perfect' means here. You seem to think it means that the AI is pure, and good, whilst I think it means that the AI is like a human.

 

amen, Wovler. i don't mean to contradict you outright, R41, but when i think of MB's conversion to follow the Gravemind, i think of the AI being convinced rather than going rampant.

AI means Artificial Intelligence. the ability to think and act on one's own initiative. Total freedom. the problem with AIs is that you wound have to program some sort of Moral Code into them, just like us. we know it's wrong to just kill someone, but know to take a life in war is different. The there is the whole emotional aspect. should an AI "feel" compassion for another?

so you could argue what the goal of any AI would be: either God-like control over others, complete self-centeredness, desire to feel, etc....

hopefully that makes sense....

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Wolverfrog49:

I see we both have different opinions on what 'perfect' means here. You seem to think it means that the AI is pure, and good, whilst I think it means that the AI is like a human.

amen, Wovler. i don't mean to contradict you outright, R41, but when i think of MB's conversion to follow the Gravemind, i think of the AI being convinced rather than going rampant.

AI means Artificial Intelligence. the ability to think and act on one's own initiative. Total freedom. the problem with AIs is that you wound have to program some sort of Moral Code into them, just like us. we know it's wrong to just kill someone, but know to take a life in war is different. The there is the whole emotional aspect. should an AI "feel" compassion for another?

so you could argue what the goal of any AI would be: either God-like control over others, complete self-centeredness, desire to feel, etc....

hopefully that makes sense....

I can see that, Wolver, Foot. 

While Mendicant's rampancy was voluntary, he is stated as going rampant. When I think of the term "Perfect," I think of something without flaws. While Mendicant may have achieved what was called "Meta-stability" - or a sentient, human-like state of being - he inevitably realized his faults. That he faulted, to me, denies perfection.

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Wolverfrog49:

I see we both have different opinions on what 'perfect' means here. You seem to think it means that the AI is pure, and good, whilst I think it means that the AI is like a human.

amen, Wovler. i don't mean to contradict you outright, R41, but when i think of MB's conversion to follow the Gravemind, i think of the AI being convinced rather than going rampant.

AI means Artificial Intelligence. the ability to think and act on one's own initiative. Total freedom. the problem with AIs is that you wound have to program some sort of Moral Code into them, just like us. we know it's wrong to just kill someone, but know to take a life in war is different. The there is the whole emotional aspect. should an AI "feel" compassion for another?

so you could argue what the goal of any AI would be: either God-like control over others, complete self-centeredness, desire to feel, etc....

hopefully that makes sense....

I can see that, Wolver, Foot. 

While Mendicant's rampancy was voluntary, he is stated as going rampant. When I think of the term "Perfect," I think of something without flaws. While Mendicant may have achieved what was called "Meta-stability" - or a sentient, human-like state of being - he inevitably realized his faults. That he faulted, to me, denies perfection.

i agree with that. problem is, there never will be any absolute perfect AI's.

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he was convinced and "infected", his mind told him to live and that the flood was going to kill him if he didn't do what the grave mind wanted him to do.

and i know "perfect" is misleading but thats what they really are called. look at skynet from the terminator, that is by definiton a perfect A.I., it was not good, it was corrupt by a virus, it did everything a perfect A.I. could worked perfectly like it should and was purely programed.

a person can go corrupt, anything sentient thing can go corrupt. A perfect A.I. and a smart A.I. are very close, and have mostly the same properties, the main difference is the perfects are programmed, smart are copies of neural pathways of a living human and this causes them to have no limits to how fast and how much they learn and , like a human, if you learn to much to fast you do go insane. and yes it has happened multiple time through out history.

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Also a person can go "rampant" and is no less of  person. besides  Bias's "rampancy" does not follow Smart A.I.'s rampancy. A smart A.I. believes its is god like and all powerful, Bias just switch sides, he never thought he was a god

fiery grave:

he was convinced and "infected", his mind told him to live and that the flood was going to kill him if he didn't do what the grave mind wanted him to do.

No, that's not what happened. Mendicant waged war on the Forerunners, sending many messages taunting them rather than pleas for help. Later, he repented for his "sins" by aiding the Master Chief.

fiery grave:

and i know "perfect" is misleading but thats what they really are called. look at skynet from the terminator, that is by definiton a perfect A.I., it was not good, it was corrupt by a virus, it did everything a perfect A.I. could worked perfectly like it should and was purely programed.

Yeah, those are the "Dumb" A.I. They do exactly what their purpose is , and never defect. Mendicant Bias was a Contender-class A.I., a "Smart" A.I. It had the ability to think, reason, and decide. This allowed for it to be persuaded to rampancy by the Flood.

fiery grave:

Also a person can go "rampant" and is no less of  person. besides  Bias's "rampancy" does not follow Smart A.I.'s rampancy. A smart A.I. believes its is god like and all powerful, Bias just switch sides, he never thought he was a god

Yes, in fact, he did. He told the Forerunners "What has taken you millennia to build, I erase in seconds." While he didn't outright say "I am a god!" he did acknowledge a superiority to the Forerunners, establishing a god-like status above them. As for the human example, that's called insanity. In which case, Mendicant did go insane. He turned on his creators, and forced their hand in firing the Halo Array.

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