If we take "spartan R41"s theory as correct  abou the virgil making he bubble shield correct, what about the engineers from the end of first strike that were captured by the spartans? They would have been around for longer than Virgil seeing how the UNSC would have come into possession of them before the events in halo 2, though Virgils capture was around the beginning of halo2 time-line wise. anyway a)maybe they were used for the creation of the bubble shield, or b) are in some secret ONI base working in conjunction with an A.I to make something high tech. but why are they never mentioned?

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...You mean the Engineers on the ship that got blown the crap up when it smashed into the Unyielding Hierophant ?

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i mean the engineers that Johnson and the others took off the covenant ship and took back with them on the Gettysburg, i imagine there were quite a few engineers left behind but i am not talking about those ones they are somewhat insignificant for said reason
Johnson comments on having moved them to the fighter bay(?) or some kind of bay on the Gettsyburg at one point, so i am pretty sure that a number of engineers made it back with Johnson and, the chief and whoever else

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i mean the engineers that Johnson and the others took off the covenant ship and took back with them on the Gettysburg, i imagine there were quite a few engineers left behind but i am not talking about those ones they are somewhat insignificant for said reason
Johnson comments on having moved them to the fighter bay(?) or some kind of bay on the Gettsyburg at one point, so i am pretty sure that a number of engineers made it back with Johnson and, the chief and whoever else

Not sure you no but the Gettysburg was on reach and got joined with a CCS battle cruiser ( Covie ship) and reach got glassed with 1 ship escaping so chances of the engineers surviving is slim ( if your right though the engineers would've helped to combine the 2 ships i mentioned above) as it was the fastest ship created in the UNSC arsenal but i still think they got glassed along with humanity

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wolver frog
It's official, straight from the mouth of an employee who works on Halo.

The Covenant eat planets.

relating to the above comment ??? the ships in combined form left Reach so... they wouldn't have been glassed

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I think the question is; were they in a situation that would allow for the Engineers to aid the UNSC, and was the UNSC aware of the Engineer's willingness to help? ONI observed Vergil aiding the squad and civilians of New Mombasa through Dare. Up until that, Engineers had only been observed studying Human technology. There was no real aid to humanity at that point.

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GDI EVA v3:

relating to the above comment ??? the ships in combined form left Reach so... they wouldn't have been glassed

They dont have to be on the ship ya no either they got glassed on reach ( UNSC tech and military planet) or got killed when the ship was destroyed ( if it has been )

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Aloysius:If you think about it, Galactus is a giant purple alien who eats planets. Kind of like the Covenant.

wolver frog
It's official, straight from the mouth of an employee who works on Halo.

The Covenant eat planets.

Paulus Magintie:Not sure you no but the Gettysburg was on reach and got joined with a CCS battle cruiser ( Covie ship) and reach got glassed with 1 ship escaping so chances of the engineers surviving is slim ( if your right though the engineers would've helped to combine the 2 ships i mentioned above) as it was the fastest ship created in the UNSC arsenal but i still think they got glassed along with humanity

According to the currently accepted Halo canon the UNSC Gettysburg was attached to the Ascendant Justice (unknown class of ship) well after Reach was "glassed". They were seperated later on after the Slipspace drives from the Ascendant Justice were transfered over and installed. That vessel then carried Spartans 117 (John), 104 (Fred), 058 (Linda) and 043 (Will) along with Sgt. Johnson, Cortana and all of the Covenant Engineers from the Ascendant Justice to Earth.

This is found on page 335 of the book First Strike.

What happend to those Engineers after they arived at Earth? Honestly I have no idea. But ONI would have been all over them like drool on a Hut. More than likely they got some sort of new tech out of them.

It should also be noted that in Halo 3: ODST the objective of Captain Dare's mission was to recover the New Mombasa SuperIntendant - class AI. Not the recovery of the Covenant Engineer. That just ended up being a bonus.

She even says that wasnt her objective. She thought it was trying to kill the SuperIntendant - class AI (also known as Vergil).

Also unless I am mistaken the Engineer in that game doesnt actually have a name that is known. It gets the name Vergil because it absorbed the SuperIntendant - class AI. According to prior Halo canon Covenant Engineers are supposed to be named by how well they float. If this has been changed then I am wrong, but so far I havent seen anything that leans towards that end. 

VaultingFrog 2:

Paulus Magintie:Not sure you no but the Gettysburg was on reach and got joined with a CCS battle cruiser ( Covie ship) and reach got glassed with 1 ship escaping so chances of the engineers surviving is slim ( if your right though the engineers would've helped to combine the 2 ships i mentioned above) as it was the fastest ship created in the UNSC arsenal but i still think they got glassed along with humanity

According to the currently accepted Halo canon the UNSC Gettysburg was attached to the Ascendant Justice (unknown class of ship) well after Reach was "glassed". They were seperated later on after the Slipspace drives from the Ascendant Justice were transfered over and installed. That vessel then carried Spartans 117 (John), 104 (Fred), 058 (Linda) and 043 (Will) along with Sgt. Johnson, Cortana and all of the Covenant Engineers from the Ascendant Justice to Earth.

This is found on page 335 of the book First Strike.

What happend to those Engineers after they arived at Earth? Honestly I have no idea. But ONI would have been all over them like drool on a Hut. More than likely they got some sort of new tech out of them.

It should also be noted that in Halo 3: ODST the objective of Captain Dare's mission was to recover the New Mombasa SuperIntendant - class AI. Not the recovery of the Covenant Engineer. That just ended up being a bonus.

She even says that wasnt her objective. She thought it was trying to kill the SuperIntendant - class AI (also known as Vergil).

Also unless I am mistaken the Engineer in that game doesnt actually have a name that is known. It gets the name Vergil because it absorbed the SuperIntendant - class AI. According to prior Halo canon Covenant Engineers are supposed to be named by how well they float. If this has been changed then I am wrong, but so far I havent seen anything that leans towards that end. 

 Thank god!! finally someone who knows what i am talking about!! also wouldn't ONI know more about them because a) they already had a bunch, b) Cortana more than likely gave the translation program she was used to communicate with the engineers on board Ascendant Justice to ONI

 

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VaultingFrog 2:

Paulus Magintie:Not sure you no but the Gettysburg was on reach and got joined with a CCS battle cruiser ( Covie ship) and reach got glassed with 1 ship escaping so chances of the engineers surviving is slim ( if your right though the engineers would've helped to combine the 2 ships i mentioned above) as it was the fastest ship created in the UNSC arsenal but i still think they got glassed along with humanity

According to the currently accepted Halo canon the UNSC Gettysburg was attached to the Ascendant Justice (unknown class of ship) well after Reach was "glassed". They were seperated later on after the Slipspace drives from the Ascendant Justice were transfered over and installed. That vessel then carried Spartans 117 (John), 104 (Fred), 058 (Linda) and 043 (Will) along with Sgt. Johnson, Cortana and all of the Covenant Engineers from the Ascendant Justice to Earth.

This is found on page 335 of the book First Strike.

What happend to those Engineers after they arived at Earth? Honestly I have no idea. But ONI would have been all over them like drool on a Hut. More than likely they got some sort of new tech out of them.

It should also be noted that in Halo 3: ODST the objective of Captain Dare's mission was to recover the New Mombasa SuperIntendant - class AI. Not the recovery of the Covenant Engineer. That just ended up being a bonus.

She even says that wasnt her objective. She thought it was trying to kill the SuperIntendant - class AI (also known as Vergil).

Also unless I am mistaken the Engineer in that game doesnt actually have a name that is known. It gets the name Vergil because it absorbed the SuperIntendant - class AI. According to prior Halo canon Covenant Engineers are supposed to be named by how well they float. If this has been changed then I am wrong, but so far I havent seen anything that leans towards that end. 

 Thank god!! finally someone who knows what i am talking about!! also wouldn't ONI know more about them because a) they already had a bunch, b) Cortana more than likely gave the translation program she was used to communicate with the engineers on board Ascendant Justice to ONI

 

But did the ones on the fastest human ship had the shields generator or not?

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erickyboo:

But did the ones on the fastest human ship had the shields generator or not?

The UNSC Gettysburg is not the fastest human ship. So I suppose that a no is the approprate answer for your question.

Realisticly they wouldnt need the shield generators or the ship to ship scale plasma weapons intact. They have Cortana, who has been inside of the ship systems and more than likely copied down the schematics of both technologies. And if ONI couldnt replicate it themselves they have nearly around 1,000 Engineers to do so for them.

VaultingFrog 2:

erickyboo:

But did the ones on the fastest human ship had the shields generator or not?

The UNSC Gettysburg is not the fastest human ship. So I suppose that a no is the approprate answer for your question.

Realisticly they wouldnt need the shield generators or the ship to ship scale plasma weapons intact. They have Cortana, who has been inside of the ship systems and more than likely copied down the schematics of both technologies. And if ONI couldnt replicate it themselves they have nearly around 1,000 Engineers to do so for them.

The Gettysburg was refitted with the slipspace engines from the Ascendant Justice prior to unlinking. ^[4] Since Covenant Slipspace engines had always been faster than UNSC engines, the Gettysburg then became fastest ship in any of the Fleets of the UNSC Navy.

And the engineers where given to ONI to study as well as the captured slip space drive

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wolver frog
It's official, straight from the mouth of an employee who works on Halo.

The Covenant eat planets.

Paulus Magintie:
Ok i'll reprase that its the fast slipspace ship

That is still something we dont know. All the UNSC Gettysburg has is an adapted Covenant Slipspace Drive attached to it. No special power source. And considering that the Gettysburg was running at only 67% capasity due to damage. We dont know if the Engineers repaired that damage, or made further modifications to the Gettysburg's reactor.

For that matter speed and time are completely relative in Slipspace. As far as I am aware Covenant vessels dont travel "faster" in Slipspace than UNSC vessels, they travel more accurately. That allows them to shave of some time from their jump. And dont point to me and say that they travel at 912 lightyears a day because there is a major problem with that.

Onyx is approximately 38 lightyears away from Earth. The UNSC Dusk followed a Covenant crusier (Regrets cruiser) to Installation 05 for 13 days being pulled along at roughly the same "speed". So lets see here thats 13 * 912 = 11,856 lightyears.

That would mean that Installation 05 is nearly 12,000 lightyears away from Earth. And yet some how the UNSC Dusk manages to get back to Earth in less than 6 hours and give a full report to Lord Hood about the situation at Installation 05 and then Slipspace jump to Onyx (still with in the 6 hour timeframe) and arrive at 2040 hours that day.

Here let me give you a timeline so its not so confusing.

1440 hours, November 3, 2552: The UNSC Dusk arrives at Installation 05 to witness the start of the Covenant Civil War.

2040 hours, November 3, 2552: The UNSC Dusk arrives at Onyx before the main fleet from Earth shows up (total of 8 vessels including the UNSC Dusk)

Some where between those two times the UNSC Dusk managed to stop at Earth, brief Lord Hood about the Covenant Civil War and then left for Onyx.

UNSC vessels dont travel faster than 2.1 lightyears per day correct? That means in order to travel the nearly 12,000 lightyears from Installation 05 to Earth they would have been gone for ~5,646 days. Thats about 15 and a half years.... Then the travel time from Earth to Onyx is ~18 days.

In both directions they didnt have a wake to follow. But for arguments sake I will include one...

From the jump to Earth from Installation 05 they could have possably, and I am really stretching that, caught some of the wake left by the Forerunner Dreadnought when it left Installation 05. Even so that vessel did not travel directly to Earth if you believe that some of the comics are canon (Halo: Uprising spesificly). They display that the Dreadnought was caught up in some trouble for that journy and it took it a significant amount of time to reach Earth. So the wake they would have caught would have been very very weak and would have disipated shortly after they caught it. Not only that but it wasnt even traveling in the same direction as Earth...

Going from Earth to Onyx there wasnt a bloody Covenant vessel to follow.... so there was no wake to catch on to.

See the problem here?

VaultingFrog 2:

Paulus Magintie:
Ok i'll reprase that its the fast slipspace ship

That is still something we dont know. All the UNSC Gettysburg has is an adapted Covenant Slipspace Drive attached to it. No special power source. And considering that the Gettysburg was running at only 67% capasity due to damage. We dont know if the Engineers repaired that damage, or made further modifications to the Gettysburg's reactor.

For that matter speed and time are completely relative in Slipspace. As far as I am aware Covenant vessels dont travel "faster" in Slipspace than UNSC vessels, they travel more accurately. That allows them to shave of some time from their jump. And dont point to me and say that they travel at 912 lightyears a day because there is a major problem with that.

Onyx is approximately 38 lightyears away from Earth. The UNSC Dusk followed a Covenant crusier (Regrets cruiser) to Installation 05 for 13 days being pulled along at roughly the same "speed". So lets see here thats 13 * 912 = 11,856 lightyears.

That would mean that Installation 05 is nearly 12,000 lightyears away from Earth. And yet some how the UNSC Dusk manages to get back to Earth in less than 6 hours and give a full report to Lord Hood about the situation at Installation 05 and then Slipspace jump to Onyx (still with in the 6 hour timeframe) and arrive at 2040 hours that day.

Here let me give you a timeline so its not so confusing.

1440 hours, November 3, 2552: The UNSC Dusk arrives at Installation 05 to witness the start of the Covenant Civil War.

2040 hours, November 3, 2552: The UNSC Dusk arrives at Onyx before the main fleet from Earth shows up (total of 8 vessels including the UNSC Dusk)

Some where between those two times the UNSC Dusk managed to stop at Earth, brief Lord Hood about the Covenant Civil War and then left for Onyx.

UNSC vessels dont travel faster than 2.1 lightyears per day correct? That means in order to travel the nearly 12,000 lightyears from Installation 05 to Earth they would have been gone for ~5,646 days. Thats about 15 and a half years.... Then the travel time from Earth to Onyx is ~18 days.

In both directions they didnt have a wake to follow. But for arguments sake I will include one...

From the jump to Earth from Installation 05 they could have possably, and I am really stretching that, caught some of the wake left by the Forerunner Dreadnought when it left Installation 05. Even so that vessel did not travel directly to Earth if you believe that some of the comics are canon (Halo: Uprising spesificly). They display that the Dreadnought was caught up in some trouble for that journy and it took it a significant amount of time to reach Earth. So the wake they would have caught would have been very very weak and would have disipated shortly after they caught it. Not only that but it wasnt even traveling in the same direction as Earth...

Going from Earth to Onyx there wasnt a bloody Covenant vessel to follow.... so there was no wake to catch on to.

See the problem here?

WTF are u blabbing about heres the page on halopedia for the gettysburg it only went to sigmus octimus,reach and earth

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/UNSC_Gettysburg

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wolver frog
It's official, straight from the mouth of an employee who works on Halo.

The Covenant eat planets.

Paulus Magintie:WTF are u blabbing about heres the page on halopedia for the gettysburg it only went to sigmus octimus,reach and earth

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/UNSC_Gettysburg

Please actually take the time to read my post. I went from talking about the UNSC Gettysburg to the UNSC Dusk. Those are two different vessels.

You said that the UNSC Gettysburg was the fastest Slipspace vessel the UNSC had to offer. More or less due to the installed Covenant drive system. I however presented a problem with the "speeds" at which that drive system operates.

That problem is represented by the UNSC [/i]Dusk[/i] and its travel times. Things just do not add up.

And furthermore we dont even know when Spartan-117 actually arrived on Earth after the events of Halo CE and First Strike. There is a 37 day gap between the destruction of the Unyielding Hierophant and the First Battle of Earth. The [/i]Unyielding Hierophant[/i] was destroyed in the Tau Ceti System (~11.9 lightyears from Earth). That means a normal UNSC vessel could make the trip in just over 5 and a half days with a straight jump. Since we dont know the required number of random jumps UNSC vessels have to take before being allowed to jump to a human controlled world (Cole Protocol) we dont know how long their journy took. I would estimate that 2 random jumps would be sufficent (about a days worth of distance each) then a straight jump to Earth. So more than likely it would have taken them closer to 7 and a half days to make it back to Earth.

There are too many inconsistancies and unknowns to call the UNSC Gettysburg the fastest human vessel.

I just did the math for Lieutenant Wagner's run from Reach to Earth. He did 10.5 lightyears in 4 days. That is well beond the known max speed of UNSC vessels in Slipspace. That is ~2.6 lightyears a day instead of the confirmed 2.1 lightyears a day. A whole difference of half a lightyear per day.

Do you not see my problem here?