A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

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  •  09-20-2009, 2:21 AM 731684 in reply to 731677

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

    Then Master Chief will roundhouse kick you from exsictence.

    LOL


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  •  09-20-2009, 2:31 AM 731689 in reply to 731684

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

    I find myself unamused.

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  •  09-20-2009, 2:41 AM 731690 in reply to 731689

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

    Oh really that is disappointing i thought you enjoyed humor
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  •  09-20-2009, 2:43 AM 731692 in reply to 731690

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

    sp4rt4n seriously, you're dragging this way off topic. Do you have anything to weigh-in on the inconsistencies?

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  •  09-20-2009, 6:25 AM 731824 in reply to 731692

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

    As I pointed out in another thread, just to add to this inconsistancy as well as just plain old WTF: How did Spartan-117 survive that reentry?

    He was on fire nearly the whole way down due to friction. That alone should have fried him like Popeyes chicken. And even if it didnt he did not land anywhere where there would be something to slow his fall. He impacted the ground at full force. That should have atleast caused major internal organ damage if not death.

    Plus the heat from reentry would have fried his suit (his shields just wouldnt stand up to such heat) and made it completely unusable.

    Any ideas?

  •  09-20-2009, 8:06 AM 731839 in reply to 731824

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

    because he had a big ol chunk of door to sheild him. it was very thick and made of forerunner stuff (whatever metal they used) it would have deflected a lot of the heat and absorbed the brunt of the impact. also he's a spartan, he can take disgusting amounts of damage and keep going. for all we know he could be completely messed up inside but continues to fight on like the good little soldier he is

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  •  09-20-2009, 9:38 AM 731861 in reply to 731839

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

    You know, if we assume that his re-entry put him over the horizon, which one might suggest if both Landfall and Halo 3 are correct, then this only proves how lucky Master Chief is supposed to be. Imagine "gliding" horizontally 100+ kilometers and then instead of impacting the ground he lands in the ocean. What a way to fail epically...
  •  09-20-2009, 3:22 PM 732184 in reply to 731839

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

    ross:because he had a big ol chunk of door to sheild him. it was very thick and made of forerunner stuff (whatever metal they used) it would have deflected a lot of the heat and absorbed the brunt of the impact. also he's a spartan, he can take disgusting amounts of damage and keep going. for all we know he could be completely messed up inside but continues to fight on like the good little soldier he is

    Doesnt act as much of a heat shield. It prevents him from any direct friction but the byproduct of it (in this case the fire) would have roasted him alive. Physicly I just do not see a way he could have survived such a reentry.

    Second, now he is slamming into the ground on top of a metal door, yeah that is just the fluffy cushion that I want to help break my fall. Not only would he shatter a few bones from that kind of impact he would have massive internal injuries which would kill him well before any help would arrive. Bruising of the liver, stomach and kidneys, massive brain trama from whiplash, possably a severed spine (seeing as how he landed on his back). All of those things are not to be trifled with, and not even biofoam can fix them.

    Oh lets not forget that due to the added mass of the door he was holding on to his terminal velocity is increased by a significant amount. That means he is hitting even harder than the other Spartans did on Reach.

  •  09-20-2009, 3:27 PM 732195 in reply to 732184

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

    The whole entry beginning was just to get people excited for the rest of the game.

    It's about as believable as when Chief took the Covenant bomb out of Cairo Station, jumped out to a Covenant cruiser where a bomber squad just happened to pass by and open up to the core, and he nonchalantly floated in and activated the bomb, jumped out and just happened to land on In Amber Clad.

    Yes Bungie I will believe he planned that out.

     


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  •  09-20-2009, 3:33 PM 732208 in reply to 732184

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

    VaultingFrog 2:

    ross:because he had a big ol chunk of door to sheild him. it was very thick and made of forerunner stuff (whatever metal they used) it would have deflected a lot of the heat and absorbed the brunt of the impact. also he's a spartan, he can take disgusting amounts of damage and keep going. for all we know he could be completely messed up inside but continues to fight on like the good little soldier he is

    Doesnt act as much of a heat shield. It prevents him from any direct friction but the byproduct of it (in this case the fire) would have roasted him alive. Physicly I just do not see a way he could have survived such a reentry.

    Second, now he is slamming into the ground on top of a metal door, yeah that is just the fluffy cushion that I want to help break my fall. Not only would he shatter a few bones from that kind of impact he would have massive internal injuries which would kill him well before any help would arrive. Bruising of the liver, stomach and kidneys, massive brain trama from whiplash, possably a severed spine (seeing as how he landed on his back). All of those things are not to be trifled with, and not even biofoam can fix them.

    Oh lets not forget that due to the added mass of the door he was holding on to his terminal velocity is increased by a significant amount. That means he is hitting even harder than the other Spartans did on Reach.

    Say it with me: Science. Fiction.



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  •  09-20-2009, 4:34 PM 732326 in reply to 732208

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

    tmspartan:

    The whole entry beginning was just to get people excited for the rest of the game.

    It's about as believable as when Chief took the Covenant bomb out of Cairo Station, jumped out to a Covenant cruiser where a bomber squad just happened to pass by and open up to the core, and he nonchalantly floated in and activated the bomb, jumped out and just happened to land on In Amber Clad.

    Yes Bungie I will believe he planned that out.

     

    Such a thing can be planed though. Given exact data on Spartan-117s (as well as the bombs) velocity as well as the velocity of the vessel he is targeting and they can lay out a prediction of where he would hit and strike at that particular spot.

    Same thing for him making it to In Amber Clad. The A.I.'s they had at that battle should have been able to make such a calculation within nano seconds.

    As for him surviving the trip with out being hit by debrie, weapons fire or an actual vessel (fighters included) is a different story.

    IdenticalSean:

    Say it with me: Science. Fiction.

    Still is based in real life physics. Call it what ever you want, but it simply is not a believable occurance to me.

  •  09-20-2009, 9:36 PM 732595 in reply to 732184

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

    VaultingFrog 2:

    ross:because he had a big ol chunk of door to sheild him. it was very thick and made of forerunner stuff (whatever metal they used) it would have deflected a lot of the heat and absorbed the brunt of the impact. also he's a spartan, he can take disgusting amounts of damage and keep going. for all we know he could be completely messed up inside but continues to fight on like the good little soldier he is

    Doesnt act as much of a heat shield. It prevents him from any direct friction but the byproduct of it (in this case the fire) would have roasted him alive. Physicly I just do not see a way he could have survived such a reentry.

    Second, now he is slamming into the ground on top of a metal door, yeah that is just the fluffy cushion that I want to help break my fall. Not only would he shatter a few bones from that kind of impact he would have massive internal injuries which would kill him well before any help would arrive. Bruising of the liver, stomach and kidneys, massive brain trama from whiplash, possably a severed spine (seeing as how he landed on his back). All of those things are not to be trifled with, and not even biofoam can fix them.

    Oh lets not forget that due to the added mass of the door he was holding on to his terminal velocity is increased by a significant amount. That means he is hitting even harder than the other Spartans did on Reach.

     

    Fore the fire, he would not be on fire and the suit has internal cooling protecting him from cooking, but fire could have burned through but the door would protect him from catching on fire.

    The impact was absorbed by the gel layer, what this gel is made of and how much force it absorbs I cannot say.

     And terminal velocity does not increase, that's the point, it is the max speed an object can fall with out any assistance (Ex. rocket or jet). if you drop a potato and a boulder they will fall at the same speed.

  •  09-20-2009, 10:29 PM 732657 in reply to 732595

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

    fiery grave:

    Fore the fire, he would not be on fire and the suit has internal cooling protecting him from cooking, but fire could have burned through but the door would protect him from catching on fire.

    Melting point of your average steel alloy is 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit. Reentry is at 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Thats a difference of 500 degrees. More than enough to melt any steel slab infront of him.

    Titanium bairly survives it with a melting point of 3,032 degrees Fahrenheit.

    Even so with out full coverage the heat will end up affecting Spartan-117 due to it wraping around the object.

    At those temps his flesh would be paraboiled in seconds even with a cooling system. Unless he is being covered constantly in liquid nitrogen or oxygen (super cooled gasses) his suit wouldnt offer him enough protection for such a venture.

    fiery grave: 

    The impact was absorbed by the gel layer, what this gel is made of and how much force it absorbs I cannot say.

    So then why is it that the Spartans who did a freefall on Reach at a much lower altitude end up with broken bones, severed tendons and internal organ damage? They fell a shorter distance and were able to land in areas that provided some means of allowing them to slow down just before impacting the surface (trees, water..ect.). Pages 12- 15 and pages 123 - 125 in First Strike for reference.

    If that happend to them (and they were already deep within the atmosphere) then why would it not hold true for Spartan-117?

    fiery grave:

     And terminal velocity does not increase, that's the point, it is the max speed an object can fall with out any assistance (Ex. rocket or jet). if you drop a potato and a boulder they will fall at the same speed.

    Terminal velocity is a term used to reference equal amounts of force exerted by gravity and air resistance on a falling object. Once equal the object will nolonger accelerate, but remain at a constant speed. This is determained by the gravity it is being pulled by, mass of the object, density of the fluid it falls through (or gas) and the amount of drag created by the surface area of the object.

    I have already done several calculations for a door that would cover Spartan-117 completely with his arms and legs spread out in a star pattern. Aproximately 48 feet of surface area to create drag.

    Please refer to my above posts for a finished calculation of his terminal velocity.

    For future note, the terminal velocity for a baseball is 95 miles per hour or 42.47 meters per second. A average healthy weight male at 6 feet 1 inch tall has a terminal velocity around 120 miles per hour or 53.64 meters per second. This is falling through Earths atmosphere mind you.

    Now the known terminal velocity of a combat ready Spartan-II on Reach: 130 meters per second or 290.80 miles per hour. That is with a 1.01 gravity compaired to Earths 1.00g. The only unknown factor is the density of the air on Reach which could have made them go faster or slower.

    Even still with the measurements I made earlier I predict that Spartan-117 was traveling far faster when he hit the Earth than when the other Spartans hit Reach.

  •  09-21-2009, 5:40 PM 733300 in reply to 732657

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

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    VaultingFrog 2...you make some good points, but you miss three facts:

    1.) The door panel, having been made by the Forerunner, is likely to be something with a much higher melting point than something as "simple" and modern as titanium.

    2.) When an object re-enters the atmosphere, it creates a void behind it where the temperature does not penetrate. Much like a boat's wake traveling through water.

    3.) As the angle of something with momentum approaches the horizontal, then more and more of that energy is transferred horizontally, resulting in more of the energy to be transferred over a greater distance, much like a skid.

    I'm not willing to be the first one to try this, but if you take this into account, then the Chief's re-entry becomes more plausible with his full armor on as well.

  •  09-21-2009, 5:49 PM 733302 in reply to 733300

    Re: A certain inconsistency in Halo 3: Landfall.

    Sorry about all of that stuff at the beginning of my post...I pasted one thing from Microsoft Word and now I can't get rid of it...even with re-typing the post!
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