Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

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  •  10-05-2009, 7:51 PM 741288 in reply to 741270

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    sp4rt4n:
    twigggy:
    sp4rt4n:
    Korther:

    Covenant.

    Most versatile.  Plus they're zealots, which is always fun.

    Grunts - Easy, and WILLING cannon fodder for the enemy.  Also can do mass damage in numbers and willing to run into a group of enemies to blow themselves up.  Very effective if 20 of those came running at you while you were already under fire ready to explode on you.

    Elites - As powerful as a Spartan in terms of lore.  Not to mention their shields are always fun, and the swords they handle are quite possibly the most amazing weapon ever.  Add in some stealth and they are perfect special forces units for infiltration.

    Brutes - Pure strength.  An 8 brute squad, Three with Hammers, One with Fuel Rod, One with Carbine, and Three with Spikers.  Give the last 4 of the group there jetpacks and they can be a force to be reckoned with (especially with shields from Halo:ODST and such).  A gravity hammer can easily shatter an entire group of foes and take out whole vehicles.  Not to mention again, their pure unadulterated strength.

    Drones - Flying bugs that are really hard to shoot without spray and pray (aka making them waste their ammo).  Great for zerging the enemy and destroying moral, infiltration through vents and higher places and again, the inherent fear and zerg factor.

    Hunters - Seriously.  With a bit of modulation to their armor they can be almost impossible to kill (more than they already are).  Put like 4 or 6 of these in the back of a force and let them send out their beams across the enemies forces and they will just annihilate.

    Jackals - Great snipers and put four lines of 8 of these with shields walking forward at a force and they'll provide great cover.

    Ghosts - Especially with the shields that are shown in HW, these are amazing vehicles against infantry and light air.  They can strafe, which is a big plus and then just boost away when in danger.

    Wraiths - Again with the strafing.  Although a giant shell can do some good damage, this one has the range advantage.  Put one of these far back in the lines of a battle and giant balls of plasma being mortar'd into your forces will ravage them.  People don't realize how devastating plasma is, this stuff could burn right through steel with only a speck.  This can be DEVASTATING to fixed positions, large infantry battles, light and heavy armor.  

    Banshees - I'm going to have to concede that the Hornet is better than the banshee in almost every way.

    So on and so forth...

    Ok lets do this

    Grunts are very stupid and just throw themselves on to the enemy till the enemy is out of ammo and gets trampled by them. A good tactic unless your fighting a far more intelligent foe like spartans which can outsmart grunts and lure them into traps then blow them up. Example prologue of Fall of Reach

    Grunts are intelligent, determined and numerous foes that have been the bane of many marines, ODSTs and more than a few spartans in the time of the human-covenant war, they have a pack mentality that forces them to stick together and relay information to each other within a group, they are physically superior to humans(by far) and have better equipment.

    Elites there are far more elites then spartans but only few could match the spartans in combat. Those few had shields that could take a tank shell to the face and live. The rest were afraid of spartans and were constantly molested by them. Example Halo Wars cutscene monsters where spartans decimate Elite honor guards with ease.

    Example: Thel Vadamee, as the arbiter from halo 2 and three he accomplished the same things as the chief, probably more in fact, furthermore he did this on pure skill, rather than luck, he has forerunner-crafted nigh-invincible armour with incredible levels of shielding and a cloaking device. Anyway, elites are extremely powerful warriors capable of ripping apart marine squads with consummate ease and are armed with vastly superior weaponry to anything the UNSC has.

    Brutes retarded monkeys that do not feel pain which is very good to a point. They will take several rounds into the body and keep going. Brutes if head shoted will die like any mammal monkey looking thing. If you shoot a brute in the face it will not keep charging it WILL die.

    Brutes are so tough it's not even funny, they could take an entire pistol clip to the forehead with only mild concussion, when bezerking nothing less than total obliteration of the brain is sufficient to stop them, they also have cool powered armour(with shields) and loads of awesome guns.

    Drones are by far some of the weakest covenant beings i have ever seen a burst from a AR will kill two or three. In numbers they do pose a threat but they die so easily they can sometimes be considered hardly a threat.

    As korther has said, Drones utterly devastate enemy morale, they are also strong enough to beat two spartans at an arm wrestling contest, at the same time...

    Hunters are dangerous and scary, but for a spartan against a spartan are way to slow. You could try to cover the whole body of the hunters colony of eels but i think you would not be able to because hunters need to be exposed the colony of eels have to be, plus if you do close of the whole body by encasing it the hunter would be blind. Examples of spartan superiority. Will 042 tackled two hunters and took them both without a weapon sure he died but he killed one with his bear hands, no elite or brute would be able to do that. Plus it was a cheap shot. Kurt killed a hunter with a rocket while he was dieing. MC killed so many hunter pairs its not even funny.

    Actually, I think most brutes would probably be able to do that, and som elites too... but that's not the point, the point is that hunters walk all over puny human infantry, they can block rockets or tank shots with their awesome doom-shields and can put brutes to shame with their resilience, they are also almost impervious to small-arms fire.

    Jackals are even weaker then drones. That is why they need those guantlets. Oh you advance with your line of jackals consisting of twenty of them. Nothing a few nades couldn't stop. That is how all jackal advances are stopped. An example of ownage is when spartan Tom killed 4 or 5 jackals right after hitting the floor with his drop pod while he was blinded and winded. Example 2 Adraina 111 i think killed two jackals with ease.

    Jackals could out-snipe spartans with eye-implants and armed with the best sniper rifle ever devised, 'nuff said.

    Ghosts please In the book The Flood the ghosts were so pathetic one hundred ghosts got wasted by two platoons of marines. Hah don't make me laugh.

    Ghosts are armed with plasma weapons, plasma weapons actually MELT through enemies and terrain, canonically the ghost is superior to the warthog... by far.

    Wraiths one word Scorpion. Enough said wraiths get demolished by scorpions.

    Wraiths are armed with plasma mortars, plasma mortars can fire from miles away, have a large splash and are easily capable of melting a scorpion's hull in one shot, they are superior to scorpions, and they have shields.

    Banshees at least we agree on something write. It has been nice debating and so forth

    Actually banshees double as air-superiority fighters, meaning that they would rip hornets asunder, they also have fuel-rod guns.

     

    Answers in bold.

    Sorry i have to quote anyway.

    OMG twigggy  you have all that stuff while i have marines ODST and spartans and i would still win in most ground engagments ground engagment lol! :)

    Spartans and ODST's can be at every ground engagement? ODST's aren't like the mainland bloody force.  They're like our Navy Seals.  They are there for important missions, not to support giant battles; that's what marines are for.  There aren't hundreds of thousands of ODST's like there are marines, probably just a few thousand if anything.  So yes, in a few battles they can make a difference however not all Spartans are Master bloody Chief.  MC is a Spartan II, most Spartans are S-III's which are significantly weaker and MC is the only S-II left.

    Hah do not make me laugh Covenant are horrible in ground engagements. If UNSC had a gaint ground force on Reach that did not get raped by the covenant OP destroyer ships of death stars then the covenant would have dropped their all scarabs wraiths thousands of grunts and etc.

    That makes no sense.  Halo is a universe dominated by Space Battles, if you control space you control the ground fight.  Saying that "If the covenant didn't have air superiority on the MILITARY BASTION of the humans, then we would have won" is just like saying "If we took out every plane and ship, Germany would've beaten us."  I mean seriously, if the Covenant have more advanced space ships I WANT THAT beucase they DOMINATE humans.  That is what war is about, getting the upperhand and that's what I'd want.

    *Covenant ships returning two days later waiting to find the world completly ruled by the troops they dropped off*

    *What they do find in fact is the UNSC sipping tea and eating crumpets* When the covenant asks what happened to all their troops the UNSC points to all the new piles of  covenant bodies. Thats how it would go twigggy all your covenant monstwers are laying their dead!

    Halo Universe is not dictated by what you see in Halo 3.  Refer to my zerg analogy.  A drone may die in one or two shots, but put 100 or 200 of those swarming in on a marine force and that will not only destroy their morale (plus Drones are physically stronger than Marines vastly) but they would just flat out annihliate them.

    Wraiths are not frontline fighters.  Ever play firefight on ODST? Go to Legendary, and just camp out killing guys until you got 5 wraiths in the back shooting mortars at you.  Multiply that by 20 or so, and that's what a real battle would be probably; with more banshees shooting down at you.  You would have little or no way of destroying those Wraiths effectively with air support on their side, and they would be launching plasma mortars at you from a few miles away accurately.

    Please rebut what Twiggy said in his bold and what I just said (and previously said) with actual reason, or I can just assume you're a mindless troll.


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  •  10-05-2009, 7:52 PM 741290 in reply to 741285

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    DFang:

    This thread is about who you would choose, not who is the best.  Now please stop bickering.

     

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  •  10-05-2009, 8:11 PM 741304 in reply to 741290

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    I would choose the Covenant, because all their dudes are awesome (except Brutes, I don't like Brutes).
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  •  10-05-2009, 8:56 PM 741333 in reply to 741290

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    DFang:

    DFang:

    This thread is about who you would choose, not who is the best.  Now please stop bickering.

     

    *Ahem* 

    Yes sir i would choose UNSC, i respect and understand why people would choose covenant. They are devestating in space battles, but i would just choose humans because even though they were losing the fight, the reason why everyone survived is also because of the humans. Covenant are beastly but i would still choose them.
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  •  10-05-2009, 8:56 PM 741334 in reply to 741290

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    DFang:

    DFang:

    This thread is about who you would choose, not who is the best.  Now please stop bickering.

     

    *Ahem* 

    Yes sir i would choose UNSC, i respect and understand why people would choose covenant. They are devestating in space battles, but i would just choose humans because even though they were losing the fight, the reason why everyone survived is also because of the humans. Covenant are beastly but i would still choose them.
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  •  10-05-2009, 10:36 PM 741444 in reply to 741288

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    Twiggy, are you sure your right about the Drones?

    I don't think one Drone could beat two Spartans at the same time in arm wrestling....... An Elite can't even do that!!


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  •  10-05-2009, 11:51 PM 741490 in reply to 741444

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    Distant Storm:

    Twiggy, are you sure your right about the Drones?

    I don't think one Drone could beat two Spartans at the same time in arm wrestling....... An Elite can't even do that!!

    Hey ignore him he says most grunts are intelligent too so just ignore him he thinks covenant are super beastly which they are but only to a certain point. That point is very small too. So just forget it anyways UNSC FTW
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  •  10-05-2009, 11:51 PM 741491 in reply to 741444

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    Distant Storm:

    Twiggy, are you sure your right about the Drones?

    I don't think one Drone could beat two Spartans at the same time in arm wrestling....... An Elite can't even do that!!

    Hey ignore him he says most grunts are intelligent too so just ignore him he thinks covenant are super beastly which they are but only to a certain point. That point is very small too. So just forget it anyways UNSC FTW
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  •  10-06-2009, 12:13 PM 741671 in reply to 741491

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    Drones are really strong, they're insects and thus have exceedingly efficient muscle mass, but yes, a drone cannot do that, I was exaggerating, a brute could though.

     

    And Sp4rt4n... Grunts are a sentient race, they achienved similar tech to humans before being found by the covenant and they take part in spec-ops missions, I would have thought that would be enough proof that they were intelligent.


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  •  10-06-2009, 5:44 PM 741842 in reply to 741671

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    The only reason they seem unintelligent is because they're religious zealots.  Someone going in and blowing themselves up may seem quite stupid, I must admit however they are quite intelligent.  Does that make them necessarily BRAVE? No, however smart? Yes.

    You keep thinking Sp4t4n in a Halo 3 perspective.  Yes, again, 4 or 5 shots can kill a Drone but when you have 200 of those going at you and your team; there will be way to much and it will absolutely annihilate you and destroy morale.

    Also, Spartans and ODST's can't be at every battle no more than Navy Seals can be at every battlefield in a war.  Or SAS, so forth.  Sure, they take part in it but not in the main battles and such.  

    I'm just going to assume you're a child or a troll, either way I'll just let you feed on someone else ^_^


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  •  10-06-2009, 6:09 PM 741857 in reply to 741842

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    Korther:

    The only reason they seem unintelligent is because they're religious zealots.  Someone going in and blowing themselves up may seem quite stupid, I must admit however they are quite intelligent.  Does that make them necessarily BRAVE? No, however smart? Yes.

    You keep thinking Sp4t4n in a Halo 3 perspective.  Yes, again, 4 or 5 shots can kill a Drone but when you have 200 of those going at you and your team; there will be way to much and it will absolutely annihilate you and destroy morale.

    Also, Spartans and ODST's can't be at every battle no more than Navy Seals can be at every battlefield in a war.  Or SAS, so forth.  Sure, they take part in it but not in the main battles and such.  

    I'm just going to assume you're a child or a troll, either way I'll just let you feed on someone else ^_^

    Grunts are not that smart it is stated most have the inteligents of a dog or so. I do believe some grunts may have some intelligent, but most are very stupid. They only made it to the Industrial stage of the Tier so that is humanity right now but only set the clock back a hundred or two years.

    Yeah i faced two hundred drones or a swarm not very hard to kill. Bursts from AR or BR and a bunch died, all i did was just sweep randomly through the flying swarm and ten dropped from two or three bursts.

    Yeah spartans could not be presented at every engagments but ODSTs were. Oh wait the spartans were at all the colonies to defend them. Do you know how i know that because they were raised to protect the colonies, plus the fact that they helped win in most ground engagments.

    I am going to assume that you are mostly clueless about the halo back story and call you a person who thinks he is right but is not. ^_^


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  •  10-06-2009, 6:57 PM 741883 in reply to 741857

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    sp4rt4n:
    Korther:

    The only reason they seem unintelligent is because they're religious zealots.  Someone going in and blowing themselves up may seem quite stupid, I must admit however they are quite intelligent.  Does that make them necessarily BRAVE? No, however smart? Yes.

    You keep thinking Sp4t4n in a Halo 3 perspective.  Yes, again, 4 or 5 shots can kill a Drone but when you have 200 of those going at you and your team; there will be way to much and it will absolutely annihilate you and destroy morale.

    Also, Spartans and ODST's can't be at every battle no more than Navy Seals can be at every battlefield in a war.  Or SAS, so forth.  Sure, they take part in it but not in the main battles and such.  

    I'm just going to assume you're a child or a troll, either way I'll just let you feed on someone else ^_^

    Grunts are not that smart it is stated most have the inteligents of a dog or so.Dogs are pretty smart I do believe some grunts may have some intelligent, but most are very stupid.As you speculate more They only made it to the Industrial stage of the Tier so that is humanity right now but only set the clock back a hundred or two years.The industrial revolution was in 1921 or so.  Correct me if I'm wrong with evidence, also ,we still are in the industrial age ourselves.

    Yeah i faced two hundred drones or a swarm not very hard to kill. Bursts from AR or BR and a bunch died, all i did was just sweep randomly through the flying swarm and ten dropped from two or three bursts.Two things.  One, in halo 3 you are a spartan; there's a difference between a Spartan II (and an ODST at that) and a regular marine/soldier.  Two, you never fight more than 15 Drones ingame except maybe at the very end when you have two bloody warthogs.  Where it's like 20 at the most.  Also note, you aren't taking the fear factor again.  I know you can act all hard on the internet, but if you're a regular run in the mill soldier and 200 bugs who are stronger than you flying at you and shooting at you, swarming your entire team you're not going to last long.

    Yeah spartans could not be presented at every engagments but ODSTs were. Oh wait the spartans were at all the colonies to defend them.Spartans were initially made to do population control, AKA kill civilians. Do you know how i know that because they were raised to protect the colonies, plus the fact that they helped win in most ground engagments.Spartans aren't raised.  They're taking in their sleep as children, a series of tests done to them and they're trained to be soldiers.  They're trained (or reared, if you want to use that tearm.  No, it's not raised; proper english is they were reared.) to be brutal killers, not to protect colonies.

    I am going to assume that you are mostly clueless about the halo back story and call you a person who thinks he is right but is not. ^_^


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  •  10-06-2009, 7:03 PM 741891 in reply to 741883

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    To, uh, clear up some confusion concerning the intelligence of Covenant races, it seems I must state that Sangheili, San' Shyuum, and Jiralhanae all made it to Tech Level 2 on their own.

    This is by itself higher then the UNSC's tech level which is at 3. However Jiralhanae were ravaged so much by war that they fought back to Tech Level 4 then raised back up to Tech Level 2.

    The Covenant are by no means unintelligent, in fact a majority of them are smarter then the UNSC. However their blind devotion to the Prophets' cause made them ignorant to certain tactical flaws. Otherwise the Covenant would have decimated the UNSC much sooner.


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  •  10-06-2009, 7:09 PM 741894 in reply to 741883

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    Wtf?

    I dont think ive ever heard of spartans being made to kill civilians.

    They were made to control rebels, if thats what you mean.

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    It states that they were to reduce the casualities.

     


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  •  10-06-2009, 7:11 PM 741898 in reply to 741883

    Re: Choice between Flood, Humans, Covenant?

    Korther:
    sp4rt4n:
    Korther:

    The only reason they seem unintelligent is because they're religious zealots.  Someone going in and blowing themselves up may seem quite stupid, I must admit however they are quite intelligent.  Does that make them necessarily BRAVE? No, however smart? Yes.

    You keep thinking Sp4t4n in a Halo 3 perspective.  Yes, again, 4 or 5 shots can kill a Drone but when you have 200 of those going at you and your team; there will be way to much and it will absolutely annihilate you and destroy morale.

    Also, Spartans and ODST's can't be at every battle no more than Navy Seals can be at every battlefield in a war.  Or SAS, so forth.  Sure, they take part in it but not in the main battles and such.  

    I'm just going to assume you're a child or a troll, either way I'll just let you feed on someone else ^_^

    Grunts are not that smart it is stated most have the inteligents of a dog or so.Dogs are pretty smart I do believe some grunts may have some intelligent, but most are very stupid.As you speculate more They only made it to the Industrial stage of the Tier so that is humanity right now but only set the clock back a hundred or two years.The industrial revolution was in 1921 or so.  Correct me if I'm wrong with evidence, also ,we still are in the industrial age ourselves.Fine I will you wrong 21 humanity is at the atomic stage get your facts straight

    Yeah i faced two hundred drones or a swarm not very hard to kill. Bursts from AR or BR and a bunch died, all i did was just sweep randomly through the flying swarm and ten dropped from two or three bursts.Two things.  One, in halo 3 you are a spartan; there's a difference between a Spartan II (and an ODST at that) and a regular marine/soldier.  Two, you never fight more than 15 Drones ingame except maybe at the very end when you have two bloody warthogs.  Where it's like 20 at the most.  Also note, you aren't taking the fear factor again.  I know you can act all hard on the internet, but if you're a regular run in the mill soldier and 200 bugs who are stronger than you flying at you and shooting at you, swarming your entire team you're not going to last long.Alright how do you know that my team would last long or not. For all you know my team could have been super hardcore or not so do not say how long i would last because that really depends.

    Yeah spartans could not be presented at every engagments but ODSTs were. Oh wait the spartans were at all the colonies to defend them.Spartans were initially made to do population control, AKA kill civilians.WHAT seroisly do you know what spartans were even made for if you really think that you ar stupider then i thought Do you know how i know that because they were raised to protect the colonies, plus the fact that they helped win in most ground engagments.Spartans aren't raised.  They're taking in their sleep as children, a series of tests done to them and they're trained to be soldiers.  They're trained (or reared, if you want to use that tearm.  No, it's not raised; proper english is they were reared.) to be brutal killers, not to protect colonies.That is why Dr. Halsey tells the spartan IIs that they are going to be the PROTECTORS of Earth and ALL HER COLONIES. Sir you are just stupid

    I am going to assume that you are mostly clueless about the halo back story and call you a person who thinks he is right but is not. ^_^


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