So, I played a 3v3 game on Frozen Valley with a few friends. I ususally play as Cutter, and by the 6:00 mark, I have about 7 gunner hogs, 10 or so Marines, and about 7-8 Flamers. I sent th 7 Hogs to his base to scout him out, and I saw that he had his T2 Arby, 10 or so Jackals and 10 or so Hunter Pairs. After the usual amount of cursing (OMG WTF I GUNNA B SKREWWWED!!!), I start prepping for him. I had just started to get some buildings on my 2nd Base when the Arbiter shows up with a full force of T3 Jackals and T3 Hunters.

 He subsequently begins trashing my 2nd Base. At this point, I only had about 3 Hogs and my Infantry. So I sent in the Marines. The guy was microing like freaking JESUS. I say that because I D-Bombed the Arby, so he could micro his units. My micro was not so good, as I wasted all my flashbangs on a single Jackal (felt like a fine gentlman.) I sent the Marines for the Hunters, and the Flamers for the Jackals, reasoning, that, once the Jackholes were gone, I'd just wipe his army out.

 And, actually, the Flamers outperformed the Jackals! My Oxide Tank Flamers vs his Beam rifle Jackals = Flamers Win! I couldn't believe it. I outnumbered him by about 3-4 Flamers, and the battle was utter Chaos, but I emerged the Victor. The Marines didn't play much of role in killing the Jackals, as they were taking down the Hunters. We then torched the Arby, and I counterattacked and converted his base to dust. The other 2 just quit.

My point is that, I would rather have 20 Oxide tank Flamers than 20 Supreme Gauntlet Jackals to defend my base from an infantry attack.

If cutter spams ODST's, I would MUCH rather have the Flamers.

EDIT: They were Supreme Gauntlet Jackals, not Beam Rifle.

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Flamethrowers are better against buildings and have better combat stats

Jackals are better against air (seeing as they can actually attack it) and have better range

jackals do about the same damage to buildings it seems...flamers might do more but from what I can tell they both suck vs buildings

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Jacks are better at killing leaders and can attack air, I rather have range than other combat stats. Flamers are pretty tough though...

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Gamebattle tournaments are BULLSH-IT it should be GayBattles instead...

One flame squad damages several units at the same time, the napalm adherent makes the targets burn even when they are not attacked, they have flashbangs and are stronger overall. Jackals just have the slight range advantage.

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King Kong aint got *** on me!

I play as Cutter too but I usually go straight for ODSTs. With my experience I have learned that 40 ODSTs+4MAC can take out 50 jackals but 40 ODSTs+4MAC cannot take out 40 flamers.

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I <3 ODSTs

Beam Jackals > Flamers.

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I 4 shot with both my BR and my MAC.

Viper Skills:

Beam Jackals > Flamers.

Nope. Not in this case. Now, If you mass 40 Jackals vs 40 Flamers, the Jackals win because they can rain down fire on them from all directions.

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WaffenSS Killer:

Viper Skills:

Beam Jackals > Flamers.

Nope. Not in this case. Now, If you mass 40 Jackals vs 40 Flamers, the Jackals win because they can rain down fire on them from all directions.

Exactly.

Playing DM earlier, they ODST spammed. 14 Jackals did soooooooooooo much damage against them. Flamers would not have done half as good.

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I 4 shot with both my BR and my MAC.

Viper Skills:

WaffenSS Killer:

Viper Skills:

Beam Jackals > Flamers.

Nope. Not in this case. Now, If you mass 40 Jackals vs 40 Flamers, the Jackals win because they can rain down fire on them from all directions.

Exactly.

Playing DM earlier, they ODST spammed. 14 Jackals did soooooooooooo much damage against them. Flamers would not have done half as good.

Try it sometime. The ODST Shotguns take sooo much longer to kill the flamers than the Flamethrowers take to kill the ODST's. 14 Flamer would SLAUGHTER the 40 ODST's.

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WaffenSS Killer:

Viper Skills:

WaffenSS Killer:

Viper Skills:

Beam Jackals > Flamers.

Nope. Not in this case. Now, If you mass 40 Jackals vs 40 Flamers, the Jackals win because they can rain down fire on them from all directions.

Exactly.

Playing DM earlier, they ODST spammed. 14 Jackals did soooooooooooo much damage against them. Flamers would not have done half as good.

Try it sometime. The ODST Shotguns take sooo much longer to kill the flamers than the Flamethrowers take to kill the ODST's. 14 Flamer would SLAUGHTER the 40 ODST's.

I'll try it, but am very skeptical. Whenever I get ODSTs going, they respond with flamers, but massed Jackals is much more fierce from my point of view, I'll actually back down from Jackals, whereas I'll just launch some rockets at flamers and continue on the run.

 

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I 4 shot with both my BR and my MAC.

Viper Skills:

WaffenSS Killer:

Viper Skills:

WaffenSS Killer:

Viper Skills:

Beam Jackals > Flamers.

Nope. Not in this case. Now, If you mass 40 Jackals vs 40 Flamers, the Jackals win because they can rain down fire on them from all directions.

Exactly.

Playing DM earlier, they ODST spammed. 14 Jackals did soooooooooooo much damage against them. Flamers would not have done half as good.

Try it sometime. The ODST Shotguns take sooo much longer to kill the flamers than the Flamethrowers take to kill the ODST's. 14 Flamer would SLAUGHTER the 40 ODST's.

I'll try it, but am very skeptical. Whenever I get ODSTs going, they respond with flamers, but massed Jackals is much more fierce from my point of view, I'll actually back down from Jackals, whereas I'll just launch some rockets at flamers and continue on the run.

You need the right terrain. Meeting them on the open field is a no-go. They can surround you. However, if your in a pass on Fort Deen or Exile, then your flashbangs can stun the front 2 lines of the little buggers. Then torch away. RPG doesn't do enough damage. It takes 8ish ODST squads of RPG to kill a single Flamethrower pair.

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I'll try flamers as a counter to ODSTs next time instead of Cannister Scorpions or Jackals. But if I lose that game, it's your head!

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I 4 shot with both my BR and my MAC.

Viper Skills:I'll try flamers as a counter to ODSTs next time instead of Cannister Scorpions or Jackals. But if I lose that game, it's your head!

Now canister Scorps are a different story. Because, bear in mind, that Flamers FAIL against Hogs. Your scorps will anhiliate enemy hogs, so if they make marines, you make flamers, then they make hogs, don't blame me!

But I do appreciate your willingness to try it and not flame flame flame flame flame flame.

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WaffenSS Killer:

Viper Skills:I'll try flamers as a counter to ODSTs next time instead of Cannister Scorpions or Jackals. But if I lose that game, it's your head!

Now canister Scorps are a different story. Because, bear in mind, that Flamers FAIL against Hogs. Your scorps will anhiliate enemy hogs, so if they make marines, you make flamers, then they make hogs, don't blame me!

But I do appreciate your willingness to try it and not flame flame flame flame flame flame.

 HA! Pun intended?

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I 4 shot with both my BR and my MAC.