The Warthog Thread

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  •  06-04-2009, 6:42 PM 614028 in reply to 614024

    Re: The Warthog Thread

    Replace gauss upgrade with mongoose upgrade.  Oh wait thats a buff.
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  •  06-04-2009, 6:46 PM 614043 in reply to 614028

    Re: The Warthog Thread

    Mr Chief:Replace gauss upgrade with mongoose upgrade.  Oh wait thats a buff.

    lol


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  •  06-04-2009, 6:47 PM 614049 in reply to 614009

    Re: The Warthog Thread

    Mr Chief:

    Firefoyx:What happens to most strategy games is that everyone simply uses one unit and spams them. There is no variation. Even games like command and conquer have people spamming either all mammoth tanks or those helicopter things. I wish they added a new game mode like only infantry or something like that limiting your choice of units for both sides. Just remember that nothing is wrong with rushing. (fine gentlemen say its overpowered) Hopefully someone will just make a good counter to the warthog rush and end the warthog spam. I'm sick of games that just turn into spamming the best unit, I want more variation.

    You are tired of people using a select group of units so you want them to implement a game type where unit choices are limited.  This makes perfect sense and is logical. 

     It would create a whole different feel. I'm not saying it should be the main game mode. The unit choice type should be randomized just to change things up. Think about it. Going from a game using only infantry and then the next one only permits vehicles. It would change the whole thing.  Also i'm wondering if and who would make the sequel. There is an achievement called ready for the sequel. Does this imply that there will be a second one?

  •  06-04-2009, 7:05 PM 614081 in reply to 614027

    Re: The Warthog Thread

    Jasper16:
    Im Allhere:

    Jasper16:
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    Jasper16:

    Before we do anything with warthogs, would any of the people claiming they are OP please explain the stats of the players below. 

    Their win percentages are just un real, and they don’t seem to be using hogs.   

    Now if the are doing some kind of cheating please explain.  Because from a quick scan their worst player has a record of 108 wins 2 losses. 

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsPlayer.aspx?id=7ABCBC0DBE86276EBEC06F4C5AF2250876297B61FF54A5060401E3BBA5C1E704&mode=

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsPlayer.aspx?id=634C905174E57F46992C4D749F290C742ECBE17E893172F7A408E45FE48FB489&mode=

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsPlayer.aspx?id=8CB8F7A088E0F64D732D220D3AA0BE89468D2776BBD05076DADFA2D1A54E79BC

    I do not know these guys, but they are playing 3v3 arranged teams and just walking through team after team.   They hold the top 7 spots in wins for June in 3v3 arranged teams, and before you say the month is young they have over 100+ games played.  Also if they are cheating I would like to know how.   The links above will get you into some of their records. 

    Also this guy is 57 wins no losses in June in 2v2 arranged and he only seems to be using the brute. 

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsPlayer.aspx?id=23DAF69D877806BB0569A8DA3F7E5402D37CF7D79126E200108FB8F90BA3B25A&mode=

    first guy builds and upgrades arbiter and rage rush

    second guy brute rush with support of other units

    third guy tank rush with a fast tank build.

    most people they play sucks and die, they never fight hog spammers. This has nothing to do with warthogs, they are good player with second profiles. they have good build order and attack time and work well together. did i metion most of the people they play againt suck.

     OK now i can say Warthogs are op

     So the one guy who is 316 wins and 5 loses TS 49 has never played a good hog spammer.  Also his loss this month seems to be a double resign game both teams lost.  So what you are saying is a good build order will out due hogs, hmm but this shouldnt be hogs are OP by the best players is what I have been told how could you get to TS 49 without building one hog.   I think Hogs just got exposed. 

    they double leader rush a guy and don't even let people build things. the 3rd guy tank rush and become the deciding facter. all the games they play lasts about 5 min. What heck are you going to do? leader rush every game in 2 min?

    You are right they don't let people build things, but isnt that the point to kill your oppenent.  Isn't that what the invivceble hog spammers  do is rush before you are ready, so why haven't the hog spammers crushed these guys.  Face it Hogs aren't OP, you guys all wanted evidence it is right there for you to see, you may not like it but it is there and there is nothing you can say to disprove it. 

     

    go look at 1v1 leader boards and find me 1 unsc person not using hogs, go find a few covi players.

    top 3 people build a lot of hogs. H u m a n jp 1 spams hogs in 3v3 and win 85% of the time, if you play unarraged 3v3 you know its hard to be above 60% win because teammates sucks.

    heres a game you lost against bad bog spammers:

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsGame.aspx?Id=17707789-3908-4687-5615-000000000000

    try playing unarraged 3v3 1/3 games is hog spam, you can't do a rush because 3v1 would easily defend rush hogs beat everything


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  •  06-04-2009, 7:09 PM 614089 in reply to 614081

    Re: The Warthog Thread

    Im Allhere:
    Jasper16:
    Im Allhere:

    Jasper16:
    Im Allhere:
    Jasper16:

    Before we do anything with warthogs, would any of the people claiming they are OP please explain the stats of the players below. 

    Their win percentages are just un real, and they don’t seem to be using hogs.   

    Now if the are doing some kind of cheating please explain.  Because from a quick scan their worst player has a record of 108 wins 2 losses. 

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsPlayer.aspx?id=7ABCBC0DBE86276EBEC06F4C5AF2250876297B61FF54A5060401E3BBA5C1E704&mode=

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsPlayer.aspx?id=634C905174E57F46992C4D749F290C742ECBE17E893172F7A408E45FE48FB489&mode=

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsPlayer.aspx?id=8CB8F7A088E0F64D732D220D3AA0BE89468D2776BBD05076DADFA2D1A54E79BC

    I do not know these guys, but they are playing 3v3 arranged teams and just walking through team after team.   They hold the top 7 spots in wins for June in 3v3 arranged teams, and before you say the month is young they have over 100+ games played.  Also if they are cheating I would like to know how.   The links above will get you into some of their records. 

    Also this guy is 57 wins no losses in June in 2v2 arranged and he only seems to be using the brute. 

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsPlayer.aspx?id=23DAF69D877806BB0569A8DA3F7E5402D37CF7D79126E200108FB8F90BA3B25A&mode=

    first guy builds and upgrades arbiter and rage rush

    second guy brute rush with support of other units

    third guy tank rush with a fast tank build.

    most people they play sucks and die, they never fight hog spammers. This has nothing to do with warthogs, they are good player with second profiles. they have good build order and attack time and work well together. did i metion most of the people they play againt suck.

     OK now i can say Warthogs are op

     So the one guy who is 316 wins and 5 loses TS 49 has never played a good hog spammer.  Also his loss this month seems to be a double resign game both teams lost.  So what you are saying is a good build order will out due hogs, hmm but this shouldnt be hogs are OP by the best players is what I have been told how could you get to TS 49 without building one hog.   I think Hogs just got exposed. 

    they double leader rush a guy and don't even let people build things. the 3rd guy tank rush and become the deciding facter. all the games they play lasts about 5 min. What heck are you going to do? leader rush every game in 2 min?

    You are right they don't let people build things, but isnt that the point to kill your oppenent.  Isn't that what the invivceble hog spammers  do is rush before you are ready, so why haven't the hog spammers crushed these guys.  Face it Hogs aren't OP, you guys all wanted evidence it is right there for you to see, you may not like it but it is there and there is nothing you can say to disprove it. 

     

    go look at 1v1 leader boards and find me 1 unsc person not using hogs, go find a few covi players.

    top 3 people build a lot of hogs. H u m a n jp 1 spams hogs in 3v3 and win 85% of the time, if you play unarraged 3v3 you know its hard to be above 60% win because teammates sucks.

    heres a game you lost against bad bog spammers:

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsGame.aspx?Id=17707789-3908-4687-5615-000000000000

    try playing unarraged 3v3 1/3 games is hog spam, you can't do a rush because 3v1 would easily defend rush hogs beat everything

    I managed to get my xbox to work for less than 5 minutes and saw you sent me a Friend request. Why?


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  •  06-04-2009, 7:11 PM 614092 in reply to 614089

    Re: The Warthog Thread

    studmuffin:

    I managed to get my xbox to work for less than 5 minutes and saw you sent me a Friend request. Why?

    i donno actually, i may have added you because of something on these forums


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  •  06-04-2009, 7:12 PM 614093 in reply to 614258

    MABE the gauss actually might be OP?

    i usually laugh at people that say gauss hogs are OP, one mac blast or one arbiter can kill a whole army of them. FJ and his buddies told me i was *** retarded and that in the upper tier of players gauss are exploited. yesterday i played 3v3 (i'm TS 36) and got Murfy54 on my team...yes thats rite, the #14 in 1v1. at first his strat looked dumb, and i was pissed that he wasnt ready to attack at 7 min with me (i think i had a full army of Forge hornets with wingman). at 9 mins he was finally ready and holy *** he had like 25 or 30 gauss hogs. needless to say we raped, even after our teammate just sat around jacking off or something.

     

    here's a link http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsGame.aspx?Id=90992261-6559-8178-1570-000000000000 

     

    the other team wasnt just fine gentlemen either, ellusivegoliath looks like a higher up player.

     

    so although i used to think that gauss is not OP, mabe they r OP?? without 2 cutter MAC blasts or 2 arbiters idk how you could beat em lol. mabe gremlins with the chain upgrade? or cryo bomb then MAC blast>? idk....mabe gauss is slightly OP.

     

    dont post if ur just gonna say OMG GAUSS SO OP NERF EM NERF EM!!! post intelligent response/debate plz lol.

  •  06-04-2009, 7:15 PM 614098 in reply to 614258

    Re: MABE the gauss actually might be OP?

    post this here: http://www.halowars.com/forums/thread/613788.aspx
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  •  06-04-2009, 7:17 PM 614103 in reply to 614081

    Re: The Warthog Thread

    Jasper16:
    Im Allhere:

    Jasper16:
    Im Allhere:
    Jasper16:

    Before we do anything with warthogs, would any of the people claiming they are OP please explain the stats of the players below. 

    Their win percentages are just un real, and they don’t seem to be using hogs.   

    Now if the are doing some kind of cheating please explain.  Because from a quick scan their worst player has a record of 108 wins 2 losses. 

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsPlayer.aspx?id=7ABCBC0DBE86276EBEC06F4C5AF2250876297B61FF54A5060401E3BBA5C1E704&mode=

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsPlayer.aspx?id=634C905174E57F46992C4D749F290C742ECBE17E893172F7A408E45FE48FB489&mode=

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsPlayer.aspx?id=8CB8F7A088E0F64D732D220D3AA0BE89468D2776BBD05076DADFA2D1A54E79BC

    I do not know these guys, but they are playing 3v3 arranged teams and just walking through team after team.   They hold the top 7 spots in wins for June in 3v3 arranged teams, and before you say the month is young they have over 100+ games played.  Also if they are cheating I would like to know how.   The links above will get you into some of their records. 

    Also this guy is 57 wins no losses in June in 2v2 arranged and he only seems to be using the brute. 

    http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsPlayer.aspx?id=23DAF69D877806BB0569A8DA3F7E5402D37CF7D79126E200108FB8F90BA3B25A&mode=

    first guy builds and upgrades arbiter and rage rush

    second guy brute rush with support of other units

    third guy tank rush with a fast tank build.

    most people they play sucks and die, they never fight hog spammers. This has nothing to do with warthogs, they are good player with second profiles. they have good build order and attack time and work well together. did i metion most of the people they play againt suck.

     OK now i can say Warthogs are op

     So the one guy who is 316 wins and 5 loses TS 49 has never played a good hog spammer.  Also his loss this month seems to be a double resign game both teams lost.  So what you are saying is a good build order will out due hogs, hmm but this shouldnt be hogs are OP by the best players is what I have been told how could you get to TS 49 without building one hog.   I think Hogs just got exposed. 

    they double leader rush a guy and don't even let people build things. the 3rd guy tank rush and become the deciding facter. all the games they play lasts about 5 min. What heck are you going to do? leader rush every game in 2 min?

    You are right they don't let people build things, but isnt that the point to kill your oppenent.  Isn't that what the invivceble hog spammers  do is rush before you are ready, so why haven't the hog spammers crushed these guys.  Face it Hogs aren't OP, you guys all wanted evidence it is right there for you to see, you may not like it but it is there and there is nothing you can say to disprove it. 

     

    Okay, enough about teams, what do you got for 1v1?



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  •  06-04-2009, 7:17 PM 614104 in reply to 614258

    Re: MABE the gauss actually might be OP?

    i'm just discussing this specific game and that guy Murfy54. he's *** good, i've never seen gauss hogs actually work well in a 3v3 before.
  •  06-04-2009, 7:19 PM 614111 in reply to 614103

    Re: The Warthog Thread

    What should happen is reduced health. It's a scout vehicle a tank should be able to destroy it quickly probably one hit.
  •  06-04-2009, 7:32 PM 614124 in reply to 614258

    Re: MABE the gauss actually might be OP?

    really because i have won every game i spamed them unless both of my teammate were did not do anything. They 1 game i lost by doing it was when 1 guy quit instantly and the second guy build nothing but locust and didn't do anyhting but sent them in to die to the anti vehicle counters of the other team, he didn't even teleport them in, he walked them across the map into the choke point controled by the other team.

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  •  06-04-2009, 7:38 PM 614126 in reply to 614111

    Re: The Warthog Thread

    Firefoyx basically just got the core of my complaint about the Warthog.

    It's a scout. The description says "Scout", yet it is now a main battle vehicle that bests all others out there, given the oppurtunity. That's wrong, and that's gotta change.

    One way to do it is to simply buff the Warthog a little bit. I recommend only to be able to construct a Warthog at tech 1, rather than immediately at tech 0. It takes away the possibility of a very early rush as a reactor has to be built in the first place. The Covenant needs the Factory too (as well as the Temple, actually), to me it seems only fair for the UNSC to have similiar building limiations. The other suggested suggestions don´t really do it for me - it's not the gausses that are the problem, for example.

     The other solution would be the introduction of the Mongoose. I prefer that one myself, as it is really the perfect scout (fast but weak). The Warthog goes to the Vehicle Depot (VD) and thereby takes up a role similiar to the Ghost. However, that is most likely the biggest problem you'd face, beside having to change a great aspect of the game (a new vehicle): that exceeds the normal 3-slot limitation. I'll leave that to you, but if it's possible and you think you can pull it off, I'd really love to see this one.

    Oh, and I do think that the Warthog is overpowered. It isn't by much though, but just a little bit and enough to push it over the edge of frustation.
    Kudos if you've made it this far through the walls of text, I was dumbstruck by the amount of it so far. Mostly rubbish and off-topic nonsense, but eh.

  •  06-04-2009, 7:59 PM 614140 in reply to 614126

    Re: The Warthog Thread

    The easiest fix is to let them build out of the VD, however they start off with guns

    Make UNSC scout a monogose, a bit stronger then ghosts that way UNSC can still take hooks/bases

     

     


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  •  06-04-2009, 8:19 PM 614162 in reply to 614140

    Re: The Warthog Thread

    What about there is scout and heavy scout. Scout could be mongoose and covenant's heavy scout could be the prowler. Just an idea to introduce new units. While your at it allow us to assign units to groups for easy selection.

     

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