how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

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  •  07-31-2009, 12:38 PM 675944 in reply to 674077

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    humanity is actually getting close to a form of shield techology right now.

     The  U.S Navy(urgghh I know) is currently develpoing electic ships with MAC(Mass Accelerator Cannons) also called rail guns equiped on them for a future way of conducting long rang oceanic combat after the death of fossil fuels.

     

    This is important because the principle behind these cannons is the foundaton of shield technology. The electromagnets are alined in rails in the gun and when specific charges are run through the rails simultaneaosly the magnet propel the round within at astronomical speed with massive force.

    The application to shield technology is thus. The electro magnets are used to propel the object as ridiculous speed so it may be possible for similar technology to deflect or absorb incoming shots. Think deflector shields from some older spacefairing movies and shows. It however in this form would only deflect solid rounds wich would likely lead to the development of non-physical ammunition.

    The new form of weaponry would likely be super charged radiation(primitive fuel rods). radioactive weapons create extreme amounts of heat but are extremely energy efficient, because the heat can be used through heat sinks to power other functions, it is known that electromagnets can negate and push against certain levels of radiation meaning the new adaptation would be similar to energy shields.

     The powersupplies for these thing would require not just nuclear reactors but fission reactors as they produce an infinit amount of energy as long as the have the required fuels(hydogen/thorium ect..). these form of energy production require magnetic containment fields which would be provided by the first early shields dubbed MRT's(magnetic repulsor technology).

     

    although emp weoponry would likely fry all shields they would still be a acceptionaly worthy cost for any fleet.


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  •  08-08-2009, 1:53 AM 685953 in reply to 675944

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    Cool.  Unfortunately it takes massive amounts of energy to do any of that which means either huge capacitor banks or an on-board fission reactor, both of which would be ineffective due to cost.  Would be great though.  A rail gun like that with shields to match would be a great weapon on the sea or as a long range artillery gun, and maybe even an AA gun depending on accuracy.  The only problems with the big gun are noise, misses, and magnetizing the entire ship.
  •  08-10-2009, 5:22 PM 688714 in reply to 675944

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    Ansible:

    humanity is actually getting close to a form of shield techology right now.

     The  U.S Navy(urgghh I know) is currently develpoing electic ships with MAC(Mass Accelerator Cannons) also called rail guns equiped on them for a future way of conducting long rang oceanic combat after the death of fossil fuels.

     

    This is important because the principle behind these cannons is the foundaton of shield technology. The electromagnets are alined in rails in the gun and when specific charges are run through the rails simultaneaosly the magnet propel the round within at astronomical speed with massive force.

    The application to shield technology is thus. The electro magnets are used to propel the object as ridiculous speed so it may be possible for similar technology to deflect or absorb incoming shots. Think deflector shields from some older spacefairing movies and shows. It however in this form would only deflect solid rounds wich would likely lead to the development of non-physical ammunition.

    The new form of weaponry would likely be super charged radiation(primitive fuel rods). radioactive weapons create extreme amounts of heat but are extremely energy efficient, because the heat can be used through heat sinks to power other functions, it is known that electromagnets can negate and push against certain levels of radiation meaning the new adaptation would be similar to energy shields.

     The powersupplies for these thing would require not just nuclear reactors but fission reactors as they produce an infinit amount of energy as long as the have the required fuels(hydogen/thorium ect..). these form of energy production require magnetic containment fields which would be provided by the first early shields dubbed MRT's(magnetic repulsor technology).

     

    although emp weoponry would likely fry all shields they would still be a acceptionaly worthy cost for any fleet.

     you probably wouldn't need a fission or fusion reactor to power a rail gun(size matters thoug). a high output generator like a diesel electric engine would probably suffice. as for the magnetic fields blocking certain types of radiation but only alpha (basically an electron) and beta(kinda like a helium atom)particle radiation. gamma, x ray, UV ray, etc.. wouldn't be effected by that scale of magnetic field (the earths magnetic field is different).


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  •  08-13-2009, 7:42 PM 693386 in reply to 608468

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    sparticus 37:

    stop me if you think im wrong but heres how i think most of the shields in the Halo universe operate. in basic form most of the shields are nothing more than a very well manipulated magnetic field whose polarity is constantly changing from positive to negative  over certain sections of the shield layer so that the polarity of of the entire shield in not the same over a wide surface area.

    it is this ever changing magnetic polarity that allows the shield to stop both bullets and plasma because plasma is nothing but a gas with a specific charge it too is either positive or negative. in the covenant whose shields have a specific color( like a jackals shield or the shield walls) it is caused by one of two things 1: the shields magnetic field is contains a plasma sandwiched between it or  the magnetic field is stripping electrons away for surrounding gas particles near the shields surface to generate a plasma to give it color.

    as for the sparkle effect that happens when a shields takes a hit it can be because of heat from friction or in the case of plasma  the particles are just spreading out because of the superheated plasma.   the shimmer from when a shield fails it could be because of the electrons that were contained in the magnetic field from any ionized gas suddenly releasing into the environment kinda like mini lightning bolts all along the magnetic field. this effect can happen both in a planets atmosphere and in space(all the charged particles released by any star found i a solar system). so what i saying is that a person can not really see the shields in halo what you are seeing is nothing more than charged particles or gasses along the shields surface.  

    that works but i would be very hard to handle weapons.

    a solution to this would be that it only activates when an object or objects that are aproaching at a high velocity will it activate or if harmful substances are detected.

    this is only for personal use big ships wouldn't have this problem though it would be more energy effcient to only activate them in combat


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  •  09-02-2009, 12:38 AM 714159 in reply to 693386

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    Na, that's how Forrunner shields work, not Elite/SPARTAN personal shields.  The personal shields are supposed to act like a hard slippery surface, they are thin on the boots and hands to allow for combat and running.
  •  09-02-2009, 12:46 AM 714160 in reply to 714159

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    SPARTAN 052:Na, that's how Forrunner shields work, not Elite/SPARTAN personal shields.  The personal shields are supposed to act like a hard slippery surface, they are thin on the boots and hands to allow for combat and running.

    No, the shields are only active in the presence of fast moving projectiles or plasma, they don't create a slippery surface, they just deflect certain amounts of incoming damage.

    I'd say this is the closest we're going to get to a description, as shifting ions would be able to deflect metal and ionized gas or plasma.


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  •  09-02-2009, 4:04 PM 714559 in reply to 675944

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    Ansible:

    humanity is actually getting close to a form of shield techology right now.

     The  U.S Navy(urgghh I know) is currently develpoing electic ships with MAC(Mass Accelerator Cannons) also called rail guns equiped on them for a future way of conducting long rang oceanic combat after the death of fossil fuels.

     

    This is important because the principle behind these cannons is the foundaton of shield technology. The electromagnets are alined in rails in the gun and when specific charges are run through the rails simultaneaosly the magnet propel the round within at astronomical speed with massive force.

    The application to shield technology is thus. The electro magnets are used to propel the object as ridiculous speed so it may be possible for similar technology to deflect or absorb incoming shots. Think deflector shields from some older spacefairing movies and shows. It however in this form would only deflect solid rounds wich would likely lead to the development of non-physical ammunition.

    The new form of weaponry would likely be super charged radiation(primitive fuel rods). radioactive weapons create extreme amounts of heat but are extremely energy efficient, because the heat can be used through heat sinks to power other functions, it is known that electromagnets can negate and push against certain levels of radiation meaning the new adaptation would be similar to energy shields.

     The powersupplies for these thing would require not just nuclear reactors but fission reactors as they produce an infinit amount of energy as long as the have the required fuels(hydogen/thorium ect..). these form of energy production require magnetic containment fields which would be provided by the first early shields dubbed MRT's(magnetic repulsor technology).

     

    although emp weoponry would likely fry all shields they would still be a acceptionaly worthy cost for any fleet.

    A rail cannon works different from a MAC a MAC uses magnets with alternating currents to pull the object faster and faster until it hits near light speed. the speed of witch would cause loud supersonic "explosion" (for lack of a better word) this shock wave would cause massive damage to anything near.

    where rail guns use one current and the round is pulled slightly differently causing slower speeds. and with rail guns the weight matters as MAC's can use 2 ton slugs

  •  09-02-2009, 4:36 PM 714579 in reply to 608468

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    cool story bro

    can i make one?  would it keep dogs from peeing on my rose bushes? 


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  •  09-02-2009, 5:32 PM 714621 in reply to 611905

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    Well...interesting theorys... i think that shields like this are at the quark level (the things that make up electrons, neutrons, and protons) ummm an extremely high output of super duper electricity is shot into the quarks, whihc in turn charge up the electrons, protons, and neutrons... well since electricity is just a bunch of electrons moving rapidly, this quickly creates a very electron dense atom. Like stated at the beginning, due to the fact of having way too many uber electrons, every atom in the electricity field becomes extremely negatively charged. but due to the fact of soo much energy going in, the energy quickly disperses (returning the atoms back to positively charged molecules) thus giving us the polarity twist thing... but the withdrawl of such great amount of electricity not only creates positive atoms, it also creates a very quick (less then nano second) field that tmeporarily deflects any oncoming object...

     But this means that dirt and mud wouldnt be able to get through the shields... so... i guess theres something else to it...

    oh also the withdrawn electricity goes back into the energy unit... and comes back out, extremely quickly... thus giving us a somewhat fixed shield and relieving the energy unit of too much stress due to dispersement of electricity...


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  •  09-02-2009, 8:42 PM 714770 in reply to 714621

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    they work because bungies says so

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  •  09-02-2009, 9:16 PM 714781 in reply to 656766

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    kylito1:

    EDIT: Also wouldn't this form of shielding in theory make it difficult or impossible to handle a weapon at all, let alone as well as they are used in the halo-verse?

    yes thats why it thins out at the fingers and the bottoms of the boots, increased traction.

    but i would like to point out that i dont think bungie has though about how it works, they dont need to. at a high level most of the science works and thats good enough. its not because they dont want to confuse people, its because they dont know, because they arent physicists. im sure they talked to science geeks to make sure as much of the stuff as they can is theoretically possible.

  •  09-03-2009, 12:35 PM 715110 in reply to 714781

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    Sorry, but this theory is incorrect.

     

    Shielding based on magnetic fields would not be remotely similar to that present in the Halo franchise. In Halo, the shields are ever present and react to matter just as a second skin would. That is, the shields around the gloves essentially behave just like the fingers themselves; example; as a soldier presses the trigger to fire, the trigger begins to move only when the shields touch it, much as it would if it were the finger itself touching the trigger. If the shields were magnetically based, there would be attraction or repulsion of the trigger rather than movement due to actual contact.

     

     The shields in Halo stop ballistic projectiles and energy bolts immediately. That is, a bullet does not slow down. It is travelling at virtually a constant velocity (friction and/or gravity need not be included in this eample) before it collide with the shield, stops and falls to the ground. Were the shields magnetic, then as the bullet approached it would slow down gradually, while the magnetically-guided plasma bolts would find their field disrupted due to two sources producing magnetic forces and  would gradually dissipate into nothing.

     

    Magnetic fields can theoretically work as a defence against certain weapon technologies, but these are not what drive the shields of armour suits in the Halo series.


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  •  09-03-2009, 7:11 PM 715507 in reply to 714559

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    fiery grave:
    Ansible:

    humanity is actually getting close to a form of shield techology right now.

     The  U.S Navy(urgghh I know) is currently develpoing electic ships with MAC(Mass Accelerator Cannons) also called rail guns equiped on them for a future way of conducting long rang oceanic combat after the death of fossil fuels.

     

    This is important because the principle behind these cannons is the foundaton of shield technology. The electromagnets are alined in rails in the gun and when specific charges are run through the rails simultaneaosly the magnet propel the round within at astronomical speed with massive force.

    The application to shield technology is thus. The electro magnets are used to propel the object as ridiculous speed so it may be possible for similar technology to deflect or absorb incoming shots. Think deflector shields from some older spacefairing movies and shows. It however in this form would only deflect solid rounds wich would likely lead to the development of non-physical ammunition.

    The new form of weaponry would likely be super charged radiation(primitive fuel rods). radioactive weapons create extreme amounts of heat but are extremely energy efficient, because the heat can be used through heat sinks to power other functions, it is known that electromagnets can negate and push against certain levels of radiation meaning the new adaptation would be similar to energy shields.

     The powersupplies for these thing would require not just nuclear reactors but fission reactors as they produce an infinit amount of energy as long as the have the required fuels(hydogen/thorium ect..). these form of energy production require magnetic containment fields which would be provided by the first early shields dubbed MRT's(magnetic repulsor technology).

     

    although emp weoponry would likely fry all shields they would still be a acceptionaly worthy cost for any fleet.

    A rail cannon works different from a MAC a MAC uses magnets with alternating currents to pull the object faster and faster until it hits near light speed. the speed of witch would cause loud supersonic "explosion" (for lack of a better word) this shock wave would cause massive damage to anything near.

    where rail guns use one current and the round is pulled slightly differently causing slower speeds. and with rail guns the weight matters as MAC's can use 2 ton slugs

    a rail gun could move a 2 ton slug. it would just require a lot of power

  •  09-04-2009, 1:19 AM 715779 in reply to 715110

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    Sovereign Hand:

    Sorry, but this theory is incorrect.

     

    Shielding based on magnetic fields would not be remotely similar to that present in the Halo franchise. In Halo, the shields are ever present and react to matter just as a second skin would. That is, the shields around the gloves essentially behave just like the fingers themselves; example; as a soldier presses the trigger to fire, the trigger begins to move only when the shields touch it, much as it would if it were the finger itself touching the trigger. If the shields were magnetically based, there would be attraction or repulsion of the trigger rather than movement due to actual contact.

     

     The shields in Halo stop ballistic projectiles and energy bolts immediately. That is, a bullet does not slow down. It is travelling at virtually a constant velocity (friction and/or gravity need not be included in this eample) before it collide with the shield, stops and falls to the ground. Were the shields magnetic, then as the bullet approached it would slow down gradually, while the magnetically-guided plasma bolts would find their field disrupted due to two sources producing magnetic forces and  would gradually dissipate into nothing.

     

    Magnetic fields can theoretically work as a defence against certain weapon technologies, but these are not what drive the shields of armour suits in the Halo series.

     you are referring to permanent magnets not electro magnets. i am. also repulsion and attraction ARE FORCES OF MOVEMENT the reason that  a trigger moves when the shield is active is because the magnetic field repels the trigger on the weapon. take two magnets of like polarity and place them close to each other on a table and guess what they move!!!!!!

    plus how do you know the shields are always on. saying the shield meter is there is not acceptable as it could just indicate how much power is stored in a capacitor that can be used to power the shield when it is needed and since u never see the shield unless it is being used you cant say " because i see it on when im shot at in halo" 

    the purpose of this post was never to say "my idea is the only idea and every other theory is wrong". it was to post a well thought out theory as to how shields in halo MIGHT operate as it is impossible to say what technological  advancements will occur in 500 years. if you think you have a better theory then post it but dont go saying im wrong when u have no counter theory. if not by magnets then how do u think they work?(magic not acceptable answer)

     

     


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  •  09-04-2009, 4:19 AM 715901 in reply to 715779

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

     you are referring to permanent magnets not electro magnets. i am. also repulsion and attraction ARE FORCES OF MOVEMENT the reason that  a trigger moves when the shield is active is because the magnetic field repels the trigger on the weapon. take two magnets of like polarity and place them close to each other on a table and guess what they move!!!!!!

     

    They are not repelled, I already went into this. It is a physical contact.

    plus how do you know the shields are always on. saying the shield meter is there is not acceptable as it could just indicate how much power is stored in a capacitor that can be used to power the shield when it is needed and since u never see the shield unless it is being used you cant say " because i see it on when im shot at in halo" 

     Read the books. The shields are permanently on once activated. This is the reason they are thinner around the gloves and feet, to allow better coordination. If the shields only activated pending impact of a projectile or energy bolt, there would be no need for managing shield dimensions.

    the purpose of this post was never to say "my idea is the only idea and every other theory is wrong". it was to post a well thought out theory as to how shields in halo MIGHT operate as it is impossible to say what technological  advancements will occur in 500 years. if you think you have a better theory then post it but dont go saying im wrong when u have no counter theory. if not by magnets then how do u think they work?(magic not acceptable answer)

     I don't need to have a theory on how shields work to if I prove you wrong using theories that exist today. And I've already dealt with why shields cannot be based on magnetism, whether by electromagnets or "normal magnets"


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