Halo Universe vs. the U.S.

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  •  06-29-2009, 6:53 AM 638254 in reply to 638123

    Re: Halo Universe vs. the U.S.

    I just wanted to add my two cents...

    Everybody seems to be going on about how the UNSC would easily be able to hack into our systems and infiltrate our military, but the UNSC are five hundred years into the future compared to us! In Halo 1, Cortana managed to hack into the Covenant battle.net and open locked doors and retrieve valuable information, but even that small amount of tactical aid could only be supplied after the UNSC had been studying the Covenant for the twenty-seven years since the war had started. In Halo 2, by uploading Cortana into a pedestal in High Charity, she managed to do all sorts of things for the Chief to get him out of danger. You couldn't just do that now though. I highly doubt a modern day USB slot would manage to accomodate a massive AI chip designed and manufactured five hundred years into the future.

    With the point I made earlier, with Cortana only being able to do so little after so many years of studying, what would happen now? If the U.S. and UNSC were to suddenly engage, the fact that we are five hundred years behind them means that would have nothing to counter us. The fact that we are technologically [i[backwards[/i] would be their disadvantage, as we would have things that their systems would be too advanced to counter. They would have history on how we operated and on our munitionary data, but they wouldn't be adapted to defeat such.

    So, UNSC AI won't be able to connect to us physically. What about through wireless connectivity? Well it's just too bad that military satellites have firewalls that are so out of date that the UNSC don't even know how to get through them. 

    OFC, UNSC would easily win in a war against the US, mainly because of space superiority. One the ground, we would most likely be victorious, although the UNSC would have to do more than MAC Blast us, because, judging from Halo Wars, it has the blast radius of a mortar shell. 

  •  06-29-2009, 8:28 AM 638318 in reply to 638254

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    Don't start the ground forces discussion again it is clear that the UNSC owns the US in all fronts. How can you think otherwise is beyond me. Just to put things in perspective the UNSC can have access to ALL the US technology. They could come at us with Abrams tanks if they wished but they don't because they have better tanks.

     And UNSC AI's would be able to hack into today's networks they can do that very easily. The firewalls are nothing to them. They would just search their files for how the old firewalls work and find a way around them in a split second.

  •  06-29-2009, 8:41 AM 638332 in reply to 638254

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    People must remember that UNSC is five hundred years in the future. Scientists invent new weapons, vehicles and ships all the time and in just a few years they can invent lots of new weapons and etc. and then imagine what would happen in five hundred years. I mean the UNSC has space ships, AI that can hack computer systems in just a few seconds, the can travel in lightspeed (Slipstream) and colonize new worlds. Of course they have better technology then us and they have also many more soliders then it exists on this Earth.

     Many say that the scorpion tank, for example, can be destroyed with a battle rifle and the warthogs are slow and etc. Well, they must be that in the game othwerwise it would be impossible to destroy any vehicles and the warthog must be slow so you can get a chance to run over things. Well you can slow the speed if you want to do that and it would be good with faster warthogs at some points but that's not the point.

    What I am trying to say is that the UNSC would win a war with the U.S. or he entire world. Sure, it would take some time but they have the space advantage. I mean, look at the Spirit of Fire is a former colonial ship that has been turned into a Warship and the UNSC have many more warships and also the kind of ship The Pillar of Autumn is (Maybe called frigates) which they also have many of. They would shortly said win.

  •  06-29-2009, 10:55 AM 638445 in reply to 596560

    Re: Halo Universe vs. the U.S.

    I read the first three pages and you are all idiotic, Im with felix, they have better weapons, AI tatics, stronger alloy, SPARTANS for christs sake, and *** ships in space that can blow us to all to hell, they even have planets they have conquered and colonized, we are still on earth waiting to get blown to hell.
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  •  06-29-2009, 10:59 AM 638453 in reply to 638445

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    studmuffin:I read the first three pages and you are all idiotic, Im with felix, they have better weapons, AI tatics, stronger alloy, SPARTANS for christs sake, and *** ships in space that can blow us to all to hell, they even have planets they have conquered and colonized, we are still on earth waiting to get blown to hell.

    Thank You! Honestly I've had enough of this, the Earth would lose nevermind the US.


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  •  06-29-2009, 11:01 AM 638456 in reply to 638453

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    tmspartan:

    studmuffin:I read the first three pages and you are all idiotic, Im with felix, they have better weapons, AI tatics, stronger alloy, SPARTANS for christs sake, and *** ships in space that can blow us to all to hell, they even have planets they have conquered and colonized, we are still on earth waiting to get blown to hell.

    Thank You! Honestly I've had enough of this, the Earth would lose nevermind the US.

    it's really no contest.


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  •  06-29-2009, 9:25 PM 639224 in reply to 638254

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    Cheez Bix:

    I just wanted to add my two cents...

    Everybody seems to be going on about how the UNSC would easily be able to hack into our systems and infiltrate our military, but the UNSC are five hundred years into the future compared to us! In Halo 1, Cortana managed to hack into the Covenant battle.net and open locked doors and retrieve valuable information, but even that small amount of tactical aid could only be supplied after the UNSC had been studying the Covenant for the twenty-seven years since the war had started. In Halo 2, by uploading Cortana into a pedestal in High Charity, she managed to do all sorts of things for the Chief to get him out of danger. You couldn't just do that now though. I highly doubt a modern day USB slot would manage to accomodate a massive AI chip designed and manufactured five hundred years into the future.

    With the point I made earlier, with Cortana only being able to do so little after so many years of studying, what would happen now? If the U.S. and UNSC were to suddenly engage, the fact that we are five hundred years behind them means that would have nothing to counter us. The fact that we are technologically [i[backwards[/i] would be their disadvantage, as we would have things that their systems would be too advanced to counter. They would have history on how we operated and on our munitionary data, but they wouldn't be adapted to defeat such.

    So, UNSC AI won't be able to connect to us physically. What about through wireless connectivity? Well it's just too bad that military satellites have firewalls that are so out of date that the UNSC don't even know how to get through them. 

    OFC, UNSC would easily win in a war against the US, mainly because of space superiority. One the ground, we would most likely be victorious, although the UNSC would have to do more than MAC Blast us, because, judging from Halo Wars, it has the blast radius of a mortar shell. 

     

    you have no idea how some one hacks and how programs are made your point is invalid 

     

    muffin and tm are right. UNSC !!

  •  06-29-2009, 10:57 PM 639335 in reply to 638318

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    jocamar:

    Don't start the ground forces discussion again it is clear that the UNSC owns the US in all fronts. How can you think otherwise is beyond me. Just to put things in perspective the UNSC can have access to ALL the US technology. They could come at us with Abrams tanks if they wished but they don't because they have better tanks.

     And UNSC AI's would be able to hack into today's networks they can do that very easily. The firewalls are nothing to them. They would just search their files for how the old firewalls work and find a way around them in a split second.

    Let's say a modern soldier confronts a 1500 Renaissance swordsman. The soldier has no ammunition or grenades left, so he can only fight with his knife and his bare guns. The Renaissance swordsman is most certainly going to win, because he's trained to use his blade, while the modern soldier is likely to have very little knowledge in sparring.

    That's what I'm trying to get across. We don't teach soldiers how to fight with swords because it's archaic and irrelevant. I doubt the UNSC would construct their AIs to hack modern day firewalls. 

  •  06-29-2009, 11:01 PM 639342 in reply to 639335

    Re: Halo Universe vs. the U.S.

    Cheez Bix:
    jocamar:

    Don't start the ground forces discussion again it is clear that the UNSC owns the US in all fronts. How can you think otherwise is beyond me. Just to put things in perspective the UNSC can have access to ALL the US technology. They could come at us with Abrams tanks if they wished but they don't because they have better tanks.

     And UNSC AI's would be able to hack into today's networks they can do that very easily. The firewalls are nothing to them. They would just search their files for how the old firewalls work and find a way around them in a split second.

    Let's say a modern soldier confronts a 1500 Renaissance swordsman. The soldier has no ammunition or grenades left, so he can only fight with his knife and his bare guns. The Renaissance swordsman is most certainly going to win, because he's trained to use his blade, while the modern soldier is likely to have very little knowledge in sparring.

    That's what I'm trying to get across. We don't teach soldiers how to fight with swords because it's archaic and irrelevant. I doubt the UNSC would construct their AIs to hack modern day firewalls. 

    Let's say this Soldier is like most US soldiers out there, and does have training in Close-Quarters Combat, then the Soldier will win.

    Tactics throughout time evolve, not devolve, and until people learn this, then this post will be spammed with false thoughts that the US could win in a Ground war.


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  •  06-29-2009, 11:03 PM 639343 in reply to 639342

    Re: Halo Universe vs. the U.S.

    Is it really comparable?
    Chuckles

    Anyone else here getting sick of tiny two-word posts that become huge because of the O.G. picture?

  •  06-30-2009, 8:01 AM 639602 in reply to 639343

    Re: Halo Universe vs. the U.S.

    Chuckles:Is it really comparable?

    no...there not. *sigh*


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  •  06-30-2009, 3:56 PM 640184 in reply to 639335

    Re: Halo Universe vs. the U.S.

    Cheez Bix:
    jocamar:

    Don't start the ground forces discussion again it is clear that the UNSC owns the US in all fronts. How can you think otherwise is beyond me. Just to put things in perspective the UNSC can have access to ALL the US technology. They could come at us with Abrams tanks if they wished but they don't because they have better tanks.

     And UNSC AI's would be able to hack into today's networks they can do that very easily. The firewalls are nothing to them. They would just search their files for how the old firewalls work and find a way around them in a split second.

    Let's say a modern soldier confronts a 1500 Renaissance swordsman. The soldier has no ammunition or grenades left, so he can only fight with his knife and his bare guns. The Renaissance swordsman is most certainly going to win, because he's trained to use his blade, while the modern soldier is likely to have very little knowledge in sparring.

    That's what I'm trying to get across. We don't teach soldiers how to fight with swords because it's archaic and irrelevant. I doubt the UNSC would construct their AIs to hack modern day firewalls. 

    its basicly saying take away all the advantage of a modern soldier, he will lose to a fully equiped soldier form the past. if the modern soldier had a flashlight he can win the battle against the guy from the renaissance. hacking is easy if you just have the computing power, its all about replecating code and finding loopholes. they don't even need to hack in the sence of today, cortana was able to hack random forruner artifacts build on a completely different system so i think she will have no problem hacking the US.

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  •  07-01-2009, 3:34 PM 641413 in reply to 636816

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    jocamar:

    As for biological warfare, the UNSC evolved from today's world. 500 years into the future, today's biological weapons could be  treated like a simple flu.

    I'm taking that you know little of biological warfare...

    Below is just a scenario;

    • 40 UNSC marines enter an area that holds a biological substance, all of them are infected.
    • Of those 40, 11 get wounded within a day, those 11 are taken up to two different naval vessels. On their way up, 30 more wounded soldiers are infected, along with the pilot and medics on the transport.
    • The remaining 29 meet their friends and fellow soldiers, let's say each of them has 3 friends and 3 other squad mates. That's a total of 203 infected just right there. The two naval vessels with the infected wounded each have a total of 70 wounded(not including the infected). So there's 151 each on those two ships alone. The pilot and medics would be infecting another 40.
    • The 203 infected on the surface would triple up to 609. On the ships above the crews would be getting infected, let's say that there's 1400 crewmen on each ship, as the substance passes on, half of the crew would be infected.

    So then there's 2160 in all so far.

    • The 609 on the ground would triple again, up to 1827. Of that, 150 of those men are wounded. They are taken up to 4 different ships. So now there's six infected ships in orbit. 2800 crewmen on the 4 new ships are infected

    There's now a grand total of 6787. Multiply that by 10x(for the infected areas that UNSC soldiers had entered.) 

    67,870. And this is all within half a week... Double in for the other half, and there's 135,740. There's one week, and still no one notices. Double that for the second week, and there's 271,480.

    On the Fifth Week, over 1 in a hald million UNSC soldiers are infected.

    By the time the UNSC notices that their men are dieing from an illness, and not their wounds, it would be too late. The substance had evolved into multiple different branches, making it more immune, less noticed, and faster spreads.

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    About the AI dicussion(if that's what I think I saw)...

    The USB slots of today are fairly small, the chip that Cortana is on isn't made to be inserted in today's USB slots. So AI's can't hack into the modern today computer because they can't fit. I'm not sure about military 'hook-ups', but I'm sure that the AI chips can't fit...

     


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  •  07-01-2009, 5:18 PM 641504 in reply to 641413

    Re: Halo Universe vs. the U.S.

    Fyrhawk:
    jocamar:

    As for biological warfare, the UNSC evolved from today's world. 500 years into the future, today's biological weapons could be  treated like a simple flu.

    I'm taking that you know little of biological warfare...

    Below is just a scenario;

    • 40 UNSC marines enter an area that holds a biological substance, all of them are infected.
    • Of those 40, 11 get wounded within a day, those 11 are taken up to two different naval vessels. On their way up, 30 more wounded soldiers are infected, along with the pilot and medics on the transport.
    • The remaining 29 meet their friends and fellow soldiers, let's say each of them has 3 friends and 3 other squad mates. That's a total of 203 infected just right there. The two naval vessels with the infected wounded each have a total of 70 wounded(not including the infected). So there's 151 each on those two ships alone. The pilot and medics would be infecting another 40.
    • The 203 infected on the surface would triple up to 609. On the ships above the crews would be getting infected, let's say that there's 1400 crewmen on each ship, as the substance passes on, half of the crew would be infected.

    So then there's 2160 in all so far.

    • The 609 on the ground would triple again, up to 1827. Of that, 150 of those men are wounded. They are taken up to 4 different ships. So now there's six infected ships in orbit. 2800 crewmen on the 4 new ships are infected

    There's now a grand total of 6787. Multiply that by 10x(for the infected areas that UNSC soldiers had entered.) 

    67,870. And this is all within half a week... Double in for the other half, and there's 135,740. There's one week, and still no one notices. Double that for the second week, and there's 271,480.

    On the Fifth Week, over 1 in a hald million UNSC soldiers are infected.

    By the time the UNSC notices that their men are dieing from an illness, and not their wounds, it would be too late. The substance had evolved into multiple different branches, making it more immune, less noticed, and faster spreads.

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    About the AI dicussion(if that's what I think I saw)...

    The USB slots of today are fairly small, the chip that Cortana is on isn't made to be inserted in today's USB slots. So AI's can't hack into the modern today computer because they can't fit. I'm not sure about military 'hook-ups', but I'm sure that the AI chips can't fit...

     

    Did you even read what he said?  what ever they would use in the biological weapons, is probably just a simple flu to the UNSC.


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  •  07-01-2009, 5:52 PM 641538 in reply to 641413

    Re: Halo Universe vs. the U.S.

    Fyrhawk:

    About the AI dicussion(if that's what I think I saw)...

    The USB slots of today are fairly small, the chip that Cortana is on isn't made to be inserted in today's USB slots. So AI's can't hack into the modern today computer because they can't fit. I'm not sure about military 'hook-ups', but I'm sure that the AI chips can't fit...

    Are you joking? That's your reason why AIs can't hack the US, because the chips don't fit in a USB port? If they were going to use anything it would be similar to a Wireless connection, or they would just use a satellite to get into the internet, and from there it is so much easier. Oh and if you say you can't get to the US data core from the internet think about this.

    It's easy to get from the internet to a centralized server, which is where US intelligence is stored.


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