>> Does anyone else find it odd that the SoF can fly in the atmosphere even though she is far too large for that?  The same can be said of the frigates in Halo 2 and 3, although they are much smaller and would be alot easier to fly with vectored thrust in atmosphere.  Since humans dont have Anti-Gravity ( like the Cov ), how would she be able too unless she is outfitted with very large vectored thrust engines, which also brings into question would it even be possible?  ( Think of how much payload of a rocket is just fuel )  If i can remember correctly, large human vessels ( aka, Frigates and up ) never fly in atmosphere in the books for the same reasons.  Any thoughts on this? 

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He has a point, even with things like the AV-14 or the Sparrowhawk you see big vectored thrust fans on the aircraft, there are no such fans on either a Frigate, such as Forward Unto Dawn, or the Spirit of Fire, which begs the question how they do it, although they could probably use Harrier style resistojets running off the ships reactor, you would expect to see some evidence of that, especially as that would probably kick up lots of spray and stuff on that Ocean they float over quite low for a while.

By she i mean the Spirit of Fire.  Naval vessels are often refered to as such.  Same with aircraft, or at least i do to mine.  I on to the one real reply to this post yes you think you would see the thrusters themselves or at least the dust from them.  Forward Unto Dawn does kick up dust and objects on the landing but after its done seem to just hover somehow.  Unless they are trying to say that by 2552 they have taken Cov anti-grav units but they never say it in the books and games so i dont think so.  Spirit of Fire is much older and doesnt have anti-grav for sure, so yes its still an interesting question.

i always thought of this to, just never really got around to making a post about it.

I was like "What the hell" when Amber Clad did this in Halo 3 

Human vessels are made on space stations in space, as the ships couldn't enter an atmosphere.

Why they do this, game play reasons I assume, but still doesn't make sense.

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You've brought up a good question. I would really like to see an answer to this at some point.

>> Well, after skimming over all the books again nothing is said of human fleet vessels flying in atmosphere, just as i remember.  The Spirit of Fire should not be able to fly in atmosphere using any known tech, so im going to assume that once again its a "gameplay" and "storyplay" pick.  Im not sure what other peoples thoughts on it is but doesnt halo wars ( though well done ) at many times go against things laid out in the Halo story.  Also, anyone wonder why there is only ever one CCS class ship around the PoR ( save for the one that is destroyed over Arcadia ). Unless the rest of the Cov fleet is truly far and away.  Anyone else have ideas or thoughts on these things?

Raptor341:>> Well, after skimming over all the books again nothing is said of human fleet vessels flying in atmosphere, just as i remember.  The Spirit of Fire should not be able to fly in atmosphere using any known tech, so im going to assume that once again its a "gameplay" and "storyplay" pick.  Im not sure what other peoples thoughts on it is but doesnt halo wars ( though well done ) at many times go against things laid out in the Halo story.  Also, anyone wonder why there is only ever one CCS class ship around the PoR ( save for the one that is destroyed over Arcadia ). Unless the rest of the Cov fleet is truly far and away.  Anyone else have ideas or thoughts on these things?

there are many things that bothered me with the "story" of halo wars.

To address your point at the Covenant "fleet" at Arcadia.  The only time the Covenant would go to land to engage in land battles, were if Forerunner artifacts were on it.  Also, they would bring a lot more ships.  If anything, ten or maybe atleast eight would have gone to fight, which confuses me as to to why the covenant went to Arcadia with only two ships.

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I was like "What the hell" when Amber Clad did this in Halo 3 

Small point; In Amber Clad was Halo 2. It was destroyed in High Charity when the Flood took over. Forward Unto Dawn is Commander Keyes' ship in Halo 3.

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Well, after playing through Halo Wars again ive come to a very interesting point.  Other than things that dont match with the rest of the story (such as shields on Mark IV armor, and atmospheric flight of the SoF, lack of Elite shielding ) much of the game doesnt feel like your really fighting the Covenant like it really would be as shown in the other games and books. The point that there are a total of 2 ships at Arcadia and that no more ever reinforce it is very odd.  Also, why the Covenant cruiser inside the shield world never seems to put up a fight vs the Spirit of Fire even though human vessels one on one are at a large disadvantige is odd to say the least.  Even that mid air hit should have more or less crippled the SoF, along with the cruiser.  Taking out the Shaw slipspace drive in a few hours?  Overall, it seems like ES didnt like the idea of just fighting the 5 long years on Harvest like the original game was to focus on ( if i remember correctly ).  So they add to it to make it more, interesting?  Im not saying it doesnt fit, it was well done problems aside but it does seem to be at odds with the rest of the games/story in more than one place.  And what ever happend to Omega squad on Harvest as shown in the original trailer ( as you see at the start of HW ), and why only Red team comes with them to the shield world.   

Felix:To address your point at the Covenant "fleet" at Arcadia.  The only time the Covenant would go to land to engage in land battles, were if Forerunner artifacts were on it.  Also, they would bring a lot more ships.  If anything, ten or maybe atleast eight would have gone to fight, which confuses me as to to why the covenant went to Arcadia with only two ships.

Their was Belfast (Oh Yeah XD) , Texas, Armstrong and the Pillar of Autumn fighting they eventually destoryed one Covenaut vessle but they sustained significant losses...but the second ship got away.

I think it was a trap, imo they kind of lured SoF to them...Regret sent the Arbiter to get Anders. I mean this is not the first time a Prophet to act way to send a small force...Halo 2 Prophet of Truth first time on Earth any one?

Yeah BIG human ships should not be able to fly around in the atmosphere using any technology known to exist in the Haloverse. 

The Covenant have antigrav tech but the humans do not. So it makes no sense.  Maybe they use some form of thrusters but still even that is a bit difficult to imagine. 

Bungie did this as well with In Ember Clad in Halo 2 and multiple frigates in Halo 3. 

I am puzzled as to how they stay in the air.  Besides magic I can not think how.

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Felix:To address your point at the Covenant "fleet" at Arcadia.  The only time the Covenant would go to land to engage in land battles, were if Forerunner artifacts were on it.  Also, they would bring a lot more ships.  If anything, ten or maybe atleast eight would have gone to fight, which confuses me as to to why the covenant went to Arcadia with only two ships.

Their was Belfast (Oh Yeah XD) , Texas, Armstrong and the Pillar of Autumn fighting they eventually destoryed one Covenaut vessle but they sustained significant losses...but the second ship got away.

I think it was a trap, imo they kind of lured SoF to them...Regret sent the Arbiter to get Anders. I mean this is not the first time a Prophet to act way to send a small force...Halo 2 Prophet of Truth first time on Earth any one?

Actually the fleet that attacked Earth initially was small because it was only Regret's fleet and not the Covenant armada.  Regret rushed in to find the Forerunner artifacts and was actually suprised to discover Earth was the humans homeworld.  Regret was eventually forced to flee.  Truth later showed up with a much larger force and presented a tougher and larger battle force to the Earth defences.

Regret was well known for rushing into things and attacking Earth the way he did was seen in very bad light by Truth.  Truth was seriously thinking about killing Regret but alas the Master Chief beat him to the punch (so to speak).