Halo Wars Update 03.12.07

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  •  03-18-2007, 9:09 PM 46012 in reply to 45896

    Re: Halo Wars Update 03.12.07

    Velo:

    Along the top behind the fans there's something glowing, not sure if it's some sort of propultion of just a cooling vent or what ever, the fans also don't seem to be hooked up to anything input wise so they're  most likely being used to keep it in the air, the glowing thing on the top is more or less in the same sorta spot as the ones on helicopters today *i have no clue what they do on helicopters so i'm not gonna comment on their purpose, so could someone clear that up* so they more or less look like helicopters to me, they also don't look like they could stay in the air with a conventional jet on the back so i wouldn't say they worked like jets by them selves.

    IMO they're just futuristic gunships meant to do hit and run, as they were used on harvest they probaly weren't designed with space capacity in mind as the unsc wouldn't think of abandoning a world cause there was no one going around and glassing them, they still look hugely effective against armoured targets and positions and as we can't see the underside of the fans we can't see whether it's armoured or not so we can't speculate that the fans are vunerable to fire, and against the covenant they wouldn't be very vunerable anyway as plasma rifles don't have a very fast fire rate *fast en ough to hit a fan atleast* or a large spread, so i doubt covies would be able to take out a fan easier than the rest of the sparrowhawk.

    It's an awsome pic but the version in the images section looks like you simple cut out a bit of another pic and put in the halowars logo ;\

     

    I dont think the Sparrowhawk was designed with covenant in mind, so thats how I looked at it. Anything from a human arsenal could porbably hurt that thing pretty good. even shrapnel could jam those fans easily. Its too vital of a component IMO. 



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  •  03-19-2007, 1:31 PM 46103 in reply to 45961

    Re: Halo Wars Update 03.12.07

    Skita1:
    I still think that this was a bogus update...

    At least we get monthy updates at all. But I admit being selfish, I won't be content until I get my Skyhawk! 


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  •  03-19-2007, 3:17 PM 46133 in reply to 46012

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    For my money I think it's a turbo fan, or directional RAM jet engine, they would not use prop vehicles, like we think, (helicopters and the like).
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  •  03-19-2007, 4:44 PM 46171 in reply to 46133

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    what if the sparrowhawk is an early precursor to the skyhawk

  •  03-19-2007, 7:51 PM 46255 in reply to 46171

    Re: Halo Wars Update 03.12.07

    the Sparrowhawk is aSkyhawk varient, it actually had a different name before ES made it the Sparrowhawk

    if u look in the "THUDERS SIG REVEALED" thread lol it explains what it is 


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  •  03-19-2007, 8:46 PM 46298 in reply to 46133

    Re: Halo Wars Update 03.12.07

    jacobkeyes77:
    For my money I think it's a turbo fan, or directional RAM jet engine, they would not use prop vehicles, like we think, (helicopters and the like).

    A RAM jet wouldn't look like a fan, or at least as close to one as that. Unless you are referring to the two things attacked to the fuselage. 



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  •  03-20-2007, 7:43 PM 46636 in reply to 46133

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    How many years did archers shoot arrows? They started with sharp stone, but then they moved to bone, then metal, bodkin points, fletching, composite bows, crossbows, yet a man from 3000 bc could recognize an arrow and bow from 1500 ad. For that matter, how many years have wheels dominated the landscape? We started with chariots, then moved to wagons, then very pretty stage coaches, and finally we put ICE and Steam engines in carriages. We now call these cars. Remember when people in the 1930's thought we'd shoot around in tubes, and use flying cars by 2000? How far off were they?

    Technological advancedment is not predictable. History shows that our means of propulsion change, but they often change because of new materials, power sources, very rarely are things just invented. It makes perfect sense that an aircraft use propellers, it moves air very well and is well suited to being mass produced. Since humans in Halo have been in transgalactic space for so long, of course the terrestrial technology lagged behind.  They have FTL space ships brimming with nukes, and there isn't a real threat of mutually assured destruction because of the months travel takes at FTL. If a colony pisses you off, you don't send in marines to get shot to pieces---you nuke them, and they better submit or you can nuke them until they have no cities left. Oh no, you've destroyed the surface of the planet....oh wait, we can get those resources from the hundreds of other colonies in the UNSC. There is an historical example of this. Britain. Britain is an island nation, Napolean, if he could have landed his army in Britain, would have crushed them with superior numbers, training, and tactics. Unfortunately for Napolean, the British had pumped their monies into their Navy, making faster, stronger ships and training better captains and crew--they hadn't really focused on their army. The result of this British tactic, keeping their enemies at arms length, has ensured that Britain has not been invaded in some time. The moral of the story is this: don't bring a gun to a nuclear missile fight.

  •  03-20-2007, 7:53 PM 46646 in reply to 45018

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    Say, are you getting an error a little like this? http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/SparkamusPryme/Error.jpg

    I'm at my schools library, which uses IE 7, this doesn't happen for me with firefox on my laptop.

  •  03-20-2007, 7:59 PM 46651 in reply to 46646

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    yeah I am first time it's ever happened to me
  •  03-21-2007, 12:37 AM 46690 in reply to 46636

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    You do realize, e=mc2, that the Halo games and books set the technology of the time, and in this time prop driven aircraft are nill. Not to mention we have almost ceased production of prop aircraft in today's military, save for a few small drones and helicopters. This is 500 years in the future, our means of propulsion in the last 200 years has advanced faster than any other time. With the rate at which technology is progressing now, and how fast that progression accelerates, 500 years from now there shouldnt be a prop aircraft in existance save for museum relics and maybe civilian craft.


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  •  03-21-2007, 2:52 PM 46744 in reply to 46690

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    I'll be happy to close this thread the next time it gets broken by a user, and then ban the offending user.

    Please stay on topic.

  •  03-21-2007, 3:03 PM 46745 in reply to 46690

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    I’ve read all the books, I’ve played the games—there is nothing in either medium to suggest that prop are not still in use. Do you know why the modern military uses jets for most military aircraft? Because they have to accelerate to high speeds. Do you know why they still use props in drones and helicopters? It’s because they have to hover.

    It’s really a simple matter, as a jet aircraft accelerates it thrust grows accordingly. A prop produces constant thrust, they actually measure it in horse power, and it relates directly to atmospheric pressure—an aircraft using only prop power cannot break the sound barrier or fly at very high altitudes. This is not the case in a jet engine, the heated air, the pressure produced by the burning of fuel, between the turbine fans in a jet is of a much greater pressure than the atmospheric pressure, so the air inside the jet can move much faster than air at normal atmospheric pressure. As a jet aircraft’s speed increases it actually becomes more efficient because it can pressurize even more air and produce faster exhaust velocities. However, there are three conditions that limit this. The shape drag coefficient of the intake and the amount of air it can intake will result in diminishing returns eventually, or the drag increases in the combustion chamber (an aircraft cannot travel past a certain speed if its engines cannot produce thrust traveling faster than that speed), or the engine melts itself due to super heated gases. This also explains why a prop engine plane can take off from a much shorter runway than a jet plane, they also can take off and hover using far less fuel.

    So….while a jet engine makes perfect sense for a vehicle that has to travel very fast, or at high altitudes, it makes no sense for a vehicle that needs to hover to provide close air support.

    There is also seems to be a mistaken notion that a prop is somehow more vulnerable to damage than a jet engine. This couldn’t be further from the truth, particularly in the case of the fans in the original picture. Note that the fan blades are enclosed, this is the primary danger of a prop—flying low its edge hits a tree or cable and snaps, but that wouldn’t happen with it enclosed like that. The only advantage that a jet might have is it is a small target area, however it still uses fan blades to build up internal pressure—moreover, it’s filled with pressurized fuel. A jet engine is just a controlled explosion; a bullet that penetrates the side or front of a jet engine will probably severely damage it, hell, small birds and rocks frequently severely damage military and commercial airliner's turbofan engines—modern props can handle impacts much better. In fact, in  a multi bladed prop, a blade can shatter and if the damage is low enough, you can run it at lower RPMs and the prop can maintain some of its integrity and efficiency (particularly the newer props).  In a jet this would cause a massive cascade of damage (there are between 10-20 fans in most jet engine, if one blade is destroyed its shards have the potential to cause a domino effect  to the very hot, and thus fragile, exhaust fans). There are special ducting systems in jets designed to take off from rugged terrain, but they significantly decrease their efficiency.

    The Sparrowhawk has the best of both worlds. Jet’s for fast forward motion and fans for hovering for long periods of time.

  •  03-21-2007, 3:12 PM 46748 in reply to 46744

    Re: Halo Wars Update 03.12.07

    Thunder:

    I'll be happy to close this thread the next time it gets broken by a user, and then ban the offending user.

    Please stay on topic.

    We're not on topic?

  •  03-21-2007, 3:41 PM 46751 in reply to 46748

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    The OT/spam replies I deleted. Carry on sir. Wink

  •  03-21-2007, 8:18 PM 46782 in reply to 46745

    Re: Halo Wars Update 03.12.07

    e=mc2 trooper:

    I’ve read all the books, I’ve played the games—there is nothing in either medium to suggest that prop are not still in use. Do you know why the modern military uses jets for most military aircraft? Because they have to accelerate to high speeds. Do you know why they still use props in drones and helicopters? It’s because they have to hover.

    It’s really a simple matter, as a jet aircraft accelerates it thrust grows accordingly. A prop produces constant thrust, they actually measure it in horse power, and it relates directly to atmospheric pressure—an aircraft using only prop power cannot break the sound barrier or fly at very high altitudes. This is not the case in a jet engine, the heated air, the pressure produced by the burning of fuel, between the turbine fans in a jet is of a much greater pressure than the atmospheric pressure, so the air inside the jet can move much faster than air at normal atmospheric pressure. As a jet aircraft’s speed increases it actually becomes more efficient because it can pressurize even more air and produce faster exhaust velocities. However, there are three conditions that limit this. The shape drag coefficient of the intake and the amount of air it can intake will result in diminishing returns eventually, or the drag increases in the combustion chamber (an aircraft cannot travel past a certain speed if its engines cannot produce thrust traveling faster than that speed), or the engine melts itself due to super heated gases. This also explains why a prop engine plane can take off from a much shorter runway than a jet plane, they also can take off and hover using far less fuel.

    So….while a jet engine makes perfect sense for a vehicle that has to travel very fast, or at high altitudes, it makes no sense for a vehicle that needs to hover to provide close air support.

    There is also seems to be a mistaken notion that a prop is somehow more vulnerable to damage than a jet engine. This couldn’t be further from the truth, particularly in the case of the fans in the original picture. Note that the fan blades are enclosed, this is the primary danger of a prop—flying low its edge hits a tree or cable and snaps, but that wouldn’t happen with it enclosed like that. The only advantage that a jet might have is it is a small target area, however it still uses fan blades to build up internal pressure—moreover, it’s filled with pressurized fuel. A jet engine is just a controlled explosion; a bullet that penetrates the side or front of a jet engine will probably severely damage it, hell, small birds and rocks frequently severely damage military and commercial airliner's turbofan engines—modern props can handle impacts much better. In fact, in  a multi bladed prop, a blade can shatter and if the damage is low enough, you can run it at lower RPMs and the prop can maintain some of its integrity and efficiency (particularly the newer props).  In a jet this would cause a massive cascade of damage (there are between 10-20 fans in most jet engine, if one blade is destroyed its shards have the potential to cause a domino effect  to the very hot, and thus fragile, exhaust fans). There are special ducting systems in jets designed to take off from rugged terrain, but they significantly decrease their efficiency.

    The Sparrowhawk has the best of both worlds. Jet’s for fast forward motion and fans for hovering for long periods of time.

    they can probably come up with ways to make it go slow and fast like the pelican for example
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