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Mjolnir Speculation thread

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  •  04-30-2008, 10:47 PM 218826 in reply to 218758

    Re: Mjolnir Speculation thread

    MIL AI XMC 2430-2:

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    actually you dont SEE the performance enhancing drugs ;)

     

    and Omega, I'm disapointed that you needed to copy and paste the Halopedia article

    Sooo...are we just talking about the shields and ultra dense armour, not the part were MJILONIR makes your reflexes faster and stuff? <>_<>



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  •  05-01-2008, 12:48 AM 218871 in reply to 218826

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    i thought the Spartans bio enginering make their reflexes faster not the suits?






  •  05-01-2008, 1:37 AM 218880 in reply to 218871

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    I think the armor is possible in the future, but I don't think it's practical. The armor is just too much, an individual soldier doesn't that much armor against other human enemies, it's also to expensive to produce for even special forces teams. It's more economical to invest in hypersonic cruise missile or other precision weapons that can deliver the same kind of destruction with out putting the good guy's life on the line.

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  •  05-01-2008, 3:11 PM 218994 in reply to 218880

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    Yes, i believe its possible. Almost everything that has to do with the UNSC i believe is possible. It will definately cost ALOT, and will take time, but this powered exosekleton/armor we call MJOLNIR is slowly becoming reality. That powered armor that was posted already has been in the works for about 20 years now.

    Why would you say that an individual soldier doesnt need as much protection for his life as he can get?? Dragon Skin is very good armor, but the wearer can still be killed. MJOLNIR armor could provide complete protection from bullets, and relative protection explosives. Not to mention make the wearer stronger, so if a building collapses they can get any survivors out easier.


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  •  05-01-2008, 3:12 PM 218996 in reply to 218871

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    Carbine 000:
    i thought the Spartans bio enginering make their reflexes faster not the suits?

    Both, the augements make them faster and their suits augement their already enhanced speed



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  •  05-01-2008, 3:18 PM 218998 in reply to 218994

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    NHDragon-151:

    Yes, i believe its possible. Almost everything that has to do with the UNSC i believe is possible. It will definately cost ALOT, and will take time, but this powered exosekleton/armor we call MJOLNIR is slowly becoming reality. That powered armor that was posted already has been in the works for about 20 years now.

    Why would you say that an individual soldier doesnt need as much protection for his life as he can get?? Dragon Skin is very good armor, but the wearer can still be killed. MJOLNIR armor could provide complete protection from bullets, and relative protection explosives. Not to mention make the wearer stronger, so if a building collapses they can get any survivors out easier.

    your right about the protection but price would be an issue..



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  •  05-01-2008, 5:30 PM 219080 in reply to 218998

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    Three things stick out that make the Mjolnir armour look a bit too complex to make or even possible. One the reactive liquid crystal layer. It's supposed to make the armor react so fast and so quickly that it causes a man's arm to shatter and continues to kill him by continously reacting to the man's own pain-enduced spasms to the point it kill's him. Also the increased strength and speed still wouldn't be enough to knock away in coming missiles.

    Two, the miniturized fusion pack. We haven't been able to make a fusion reactor that puts out more energy than is needed to run it. Shrinking that down to backpack size is more than just slightly out of reach.

    Three, the shields. Yeah, not much point in going any further.


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  •  05-01-2008, 5:36 PM 219089 in reply to 218994

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    NHDragon-151:

    Yes, i believe its possible. Almost everything that has to do with the UNSC i believe is possible. It will definately cost ALOT, and will take time, but this powered exosekleton/armor we call MJOLNIR is slowly becoming reality. That powered armor that was posted already has been in the works for about 20 years now.

    Why would you say that an individual soldier doesnt need as much protection for his life as he can get?? Dragon Skin is very good armor, but the wearer can still be killed. MJOLNIR armor could provide complete protection from bullets, and relative protection explosives. Not to mention make the wearer stronger, so if a building collapses they can get any survivors out easier.

    You're misunderstanding. The MJOLNIR is overkill protection, no one soldier needs that much protection. Something with that much armor is called a tank and is part of an armored division, today's tanks are operated by 5 people. Your hypothetical is more reminiciant of firefighters not warfighters.

    It's like giving soldiers 5 rifles to go into battle, the soldier only needs one, five is entirely to many. 


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  •  05-01-2008, 6:36 PM 219129 in reply to 219089

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    Energy shields are possible as long as you have a strong enoygh magnet and compacted plasma. But it would not really deflect bullets so much as slow them down to the point that they couldn't really do any damage. It would also take about 17 nuclear reactors worth of energy to create.
  •  05-01-2008, 6:43 PM 219141 in reply to 219089

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    R.T. Larry:
    NHDragon-151:

    Yes, i believe its possible. Almost everything that has to do with the UNSC i believe is possible. It will definately cost ALOT, and will take time, but this powered exosekleton/armor we call MJOLNIR is slowly becoming reality. That powered armor that was posted already has been in the works for about 20 years now.

    Why would you say that an individual soldier doesnt need as much protection for his life as he can get?? Dragon Skin is very good armor, but the wearer can still be killed. MJOLNIR armor could provide complete protection from bullets, and relative protection explosives. Not to mention make the wearer stronger, so if a building collapses they can get any survivors out easier.

    You're misunderstanding. The MJOLNIR is overkill protection, no one soldier needs that much protection. Something with that much armor is called a tank and is part of an armored division, today's tanks are operated by 5 people. Your hypothetical is more reminiciant of firefighters not warfighters.

    It's like giving soldiers 5 rifles to go into battle, the soldier only needs one, five is entirely to many. 

     

     

    I can't see a MJONLIR on the battle field at all.  Its jsut too expensive.  One tank shot and you lose several million dollars.  But I can see them in special operations and terrorist elimination.  It is not overkill when it comes to safety.  A 2-spartan group sent in to a building can do a lot more then normal marines, but with a less chance of casualties.  That too much protection is not a very practical thing.



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  •  05-01-2008, 8:41 PM 219211 in reply to 219129

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    Backfire 95:
    Energy shields are possible as long as you have a strong enoygh magnet and compacted plasma. But it would not really deflect bullets so much as slow them down to the point that they couldn't really do any damage. It would also take about 17 nuclear reactors worth of energy to create.

    Dude, energy shields are not possible yet. We don't have the required technology or even a half decent theory on how to generate and maintain such a field. Plus plasma is pretty unpredictable in how it reacts. So no, we don't have the tech for it and really no true way to test it's resiliance.


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  •  05-02-2008, 1:30 AM 219356 in reply to 219141

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    The Great Kiewefrog:
    R.T. Larry:
    NHDragon-151:

    Yes, i believe its possible. Almost everything that has to do with the UNSC i believe is possible. It will definately cost ALOT, and will take time, but this powered exosekleton/armor we call MJOLNIR is slowly becoming reality. That powered armor that was posted already has been in the works for about 20 years now.

    Why would you say that an individual soldier doesnt need as much protection for his life as he can get?? Dragon Skin is very good armor, but the wearer can still be killed. MJOLNIR armor could provide complete protection from bullets, and relative protection explosives. Not to mention make the wearer stronger, so if a building collapses they can get any survivors out easier.

    You're misunderstanding. The MJOLNIR is overkill protection, no one soldier needs that much protection. Something with that much armor is called a tank and is part of an armored division, today's tanks are operated by 5 people. Your hypothetical is more reminiciant of firefighters not warfighters.

    It's like giving soldiers 5 rifles to go into battle, the soldier only needs one, five is entirely to many. 

     

     

    I can't see a MJONLIR on the battle field at all.  Its jsut too expensive.  One tank shot and you lose several million dollars.  But I can see them in special operations and terrorist elimination.  It is not overkill when it comes to safety.  A 2-spartan group sent in to a building can do a lot more then normal marines, but with a less chance of casualties.  That too much protection is not a very practical thing.

    Killing terrorists in a building with zero good guy casualties is simple, and you don't need expensive armor either, we call it a cruise missile. Obviously you oversimplified your hypothetical, like the last guy, Generally, the only time we know of tangos in a building is when they have hostages, which is when you send in a cqb team. Now I will try to explain this a third time. cqb teams have the correct amount of armor to complete the mission, not too much like the MJOLNIR, and not to little like your average cop. The real danger in cqb missions is the safety of the hostages who are at the mercy of the tangos.

    Next, I assume you mean two man spartan group, Not every building is rated to have 4 thousand pounds of death machine in one spot, especially in a falling building. The weight also rules out many methods of battlefield transportation.

    In short, the MJOLNIR armor is too much armor to be practical for individual soldier. 


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  •  05-02-2008, 1:59 AM 219359 in reply to 219356

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    R.T. Larry:

    I can't see a MJONLIR on the battle field at all.  Its jsut too expensive.  One tank shot and you lose several million dollars.  But I can see them in special operations and terrorist elimination.  It is not overkill when it comes to safety.  A 2-spartan group sent in to a building can do a lot more then normal marines, but with a less chance of casualties.  That too much protection is not a very practical thing.

     

    If the army will use a $40,000 Javelin missile to take out a single sniper, im sure they wouldn't mind investing money into this.




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  •  05-02-2008, 2:59 AM 219362 in reply to 219359

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    Whattt!!!!!!!! No offense gruntmaster but a single Javelin missile cost $40 000 because it has the lock on guided missile which enables it to hit the target with 100% accuracy. And besides I can see MJONLIR armour on the battlefiels not for rescue missions but for the most top, top secret high alert missions. Take for example if the terrorsist manage to get thier hands on a nucklear bomb through the black market and is going to detonate in a underground suicidal fort in the middle of a city in 30 minutes. Then you need men with this much protection so that the mission has a very high rate of success.






  •  05-02-2008, 4:44 AM 219366 in reply to 219356

    Re: Mjolnir Speculation thread

    R.T. Larry:
    The Great Kiewefrog:
    R.T. Larry:
    NHDragon-151:

    Yes, i believe its possible. Almost everything that has to do with the UNSC i believe is possible. It will definately cost ALOT, and will take time, but this powered exosekleton/armor we call MJOLNIR is slowly becoming reality. That powered armor that was posted already has been in the works for about 20 years now.

    Why would you say that an individual soldier doesnt need as much protection for his life as he can get?? Dragon Skin is very good armor, but the wearer can still be killed. MJOLNIR armor could provide complete protection from bullets, and relative protection explosives. Not to mention make the wearer stronger, so if a building collapses they can get any survivors out easier.

    You're misunderstanding. The MJOLNIR is overkill protection, no one soldier needs that much protection. Something with that much armor is called a tank and is part of an armored division, today's tanks are operated by 5 people. Your hypothetical is more reminiciant of firefighters not warfighters.

    It's like giving soldiers 5 rifles to go into battle, the soldier only needs one, five is entirely to many. 

     

     

    I can't see a MJONLIR on the battle field at all.  Its jsut too expensive.  One tank shot and you lose several million dollars.  But I can see them in special operations and terrorist elimination.  It is not overkill when it comes to safety.  A 2-spartan group sent in to a building can do a lot more then normal marines, but with a less chance of casualties.  That too much protection is not a very practical thing.

    Killing terrorists in a building with zero good guy casualties is simple, and you don't need expensive armor either, we call it a cruise missile. Obviously you oversimplified your hypothetical, like the last guy, Generally, the only time we know of tangos in a building is when they have hostages, which is when you send in a cqb team. Now I will try to explain this a third time. cqb teams have the correct amount of armor to complete the mission, not too much like the MJOLNIR, and not to little like your average cop. The real danger in cqb missions is the safety of the hostages who are at the mercy of the tangos.

    Next, I assume you mean two man spartan group, Not every building is rated to have 4 thousand pounds of death machine in one spot, especially in a falling building. The weight also rules out many methods of battlefield transportation.

    In short, the MJOLNIR armor is too much armor to be practical for individual soldier. 

     

    actually, most of that weight is from the reinforced skeleton, and plus they would probably tone down the amount of material which would reduce the weight and keep alot of protection.

    and as for the comment about having too much protection... i dont see how you can have too much protection, as long as you can still maneuver.  i mean, cqb teams have some armor, but would that protect from a shot to the head with a shotgun? in the case of MJOLNIR armor, its full-body protection, plus they would have targeting systems which would help them to take out the terrorists and not the hostages (no, they wouldnt have a green circle where it would be red in the case of an enemy, but it could help you see the weapons they are carrying and the number of people there are, etc.)

     



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