Title Update #3 balance notes preview *Final*

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  •  07-02-2009, 1:14 AM 641872 in reply to 641870

    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview *Final*

    BLa5ter NZ:
    Cookie Krisp:
    BLa5ter NZ:
    Cookie Krisp:

    Obito:Cookie, do you honestly think the Arbiter needs a nerf?

     

     

    There are some aspects of him that need to be toned down. Right now, there is no way for brute chieftain to beat arbiter. Arbiter is better in every possible scenario (even a straight up hammer vs sword fight).

     

    He also shouldn't kill certain units for less resources than it costs to produce them. Hunters need more resistance, and the elephant should take atleast $450 in rage money to kill. Beating arbiter with cutter is stupidly hard considering that arbiter doesn't build a single unit.

    No he doesnt i tested it and the brute beats the arbiter in a straight up fight, at all techs, i tested it, also the vortex beats the rage at all techs too.

     

    brute only wins at tech 1. I don't think you tested it, lol. Arbiter wins by a mile after tech 1.

     

    Rage is 10x more effective than vortex. 

    1 on 1 the vortex beats the rage cos the vortex delivers the damgage fasteri did this on t3 brute and arby with a friend, his vortex beat the rage

     

     

    I was talking about them fighting without the use of y-abilities. Your scenario isn't realistic since no arbiter is gonna rage your brute chieftain to death. He'll just rage all your units. Arbiter can kill your units much faster than brute can kill the arbiters units.
     


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  •  07-02-2009, 1:28 AM 641874 in reply to 641872

    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview *Final*

    Cookie Krisp:
    BLa5ter NZ:
    Cookie Krisp:
    BLa5ter NZ:
    Cookie Krisp:

    Obito:Cookie, do you honestly think the Arbiter needs a nerf?

     

     

    There are some aspects of him that need to be toned down. Right now, there is no way for brute chieftain to beat arbiter. Arbiter is better in every possible scenario (even a straight up hammer vs sword fight).

     

    He also shouldn't kill certain units for less resources than it costs to produce them. Hunters need more resistance, and the elephant should take atleast $450 in rage money to kill. Beating arbiter with cutter is stupidly hard considering that arbiter doesn't build a single unit.

    No he doesnt i tested it and the brute beats the arbiter in a straight up fight, at all techs, i tested it, also the vortex beats the rage at all techs too.

     

    brute only wins at tech 1. I don't think you tested it, lol. Arbiter wins by a mile after tech 1.

     

    Rage is 10x more effective than vortex. 

    1 on 1 the vortex beats the rage cos the vortex delivers the damgage fasteri did this on t3 brute and arby with a friend, his vortex beat the rage

     

     

    I was talking about them fighting without the use of y-abilities. Your scenario isn't realistic since no arbiter is gonna rage your brute chieftain to death. He'll just rage all your units. Arbiter can kill your units much faster than brute can kill the arbiters units.
     

    Yes I know the rage is a better power and I agree it takes down the armies better, but if it was 1 on 1 with no other units then the brute will win, thats all im saying


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  •  07-02-2009, 8:24 AM 641997 in reply to 641874

    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview *Final*

    BLa5ter NZ:
    Cookie Krisp:
    BLa5ter NZ:
    Cookie Krisp:
    BLa5ter NZ:
    Cookie Krisp:

    Obito:Cookie, do you honestly think the Arbiter needs a nerf?

     

     

    There are some aspects of him that need to be toned down. Right now, there is no way for brute chieftain to beat arbiter. Arbiter is better in every possible scenario (even a straight up hammer vs sword fight).

     

    He also shouldn't kill certain units for less resources than it costs to produce them. Hunters need more resistance, and the elephant should take atleast $450 in rage money to kill. Beating arbiter with cutter is stupidly hard considering that arbiter doesn't build a single unit.

    No he doesnt i tested it and the brute beats the arbiter in a straight up fight, at all techs, i tested it, also the vortex beats the rage at all techs too.

     

    brute only wins at tech 1. I don't think you tested it, lol. Arbiter wins by a mile after tech 1.

     

    Rage is 10x more effective than vortex. 

    1 on 1 the vortex beats the rage cos the vortex delivers the damgage fasteri did this on t3 brute and arby with a friend, his vortex beat the rage

     

     

    I was talking about them fighting without the use of y-abilities. Your scenario isn't realistic since no arbiter is gonna rage your brute chieftain to death. He'll just rage all your units. Arbiter can kill your units much faster than brute can kill the arbiters units.
     

    Yes I know the rage is a better power and I agree it takes down the armies better, but if it was 1 on 1 with no other units then the brute will win, thats all im saying

    I would have to disagree as well. I have tested it myself with a freind who is never anything but BC, and I who barely uses the Arbiter at all (prophet all the way)

     We found that the Cheiften beats the Arbiter without the use of the Y ability, but if they both use the Y ability, the Arbiter decimated BC everytime (no stars or anything and full upgrade)


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  •  07-02-2009, 1:00 PM 642265 in reply to 641997

    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview *Final*

    Count Peter:
    BLa5ter NZ:
    Cookie Krisp:
    BLa5ter NZ:
    Cookie Krisp:
    BLa5ter NZ:
    Cookie Krisp:

    Obito:Cookie, do you honestly think the Arbiter needs a nerf?

     

     

    There are some aspects of him that need to be toned down. Right now, there is no way for brute chieftain to beat arbiter. Arbiter is better in every possible scenario (even a straight up hammer vs sword fight).

     

    He also shouldn't kill certain units for less resources than it costs to produce them. Hunters need more resistance, and the elephant should take atleast $450 in rage money to kill. Beating arbiter with cutter is stupidly hard considering that arbiter doesn't build a single unit.

    No he doesnt i tested it and the brute beats the arbiter in a straight up fight, at all techs, i tested it, also the vortex beats the rage at all techs too.

     

    brute only wins at tech 1. I don't think you tested it, lol. Arbiter wins by a mile after tech 1.

     

    Rage is 10x more effective than vortex. 

    1 on 1 the vortex beats the rage cos the vortex delivers the damgage fasteri did this on t3 brute and arby with a friend, his vortex beat the rage

     

     

    I was talking about them fighting without the use of y-abilities. Your scenario isn't realistic since no arbiter is gonna rage your brute chieftain to death. He'll just rage all your units. Arbiter can kill your units much faster than brute can kill the arbiters units.
     

    Yes I know the rage is a better power and I agree it takes down the armies better, but if it was 1 on 1 with no other units then the brute will win, thats all im saying

    I would have to disagree as well. I have tested it myself with a freind who is never anything but BC, and I who barely uses the Arbiter at all (prophet all the way)

     We found that the Cheiften beats the Arbiter without the use of the Y ability, but if they both use the Y ability, the Arbiter decimated BC everytime (no stars or anything and full upgrade)

    also, I'm fairly sure that a 3 stars BC has a lot more health than the arbiter with 3 stars.

    I once had 25 jackals shoot 7 times a 3 stars BC and he barely had lost half of his health. and he one hits jackals, of course.


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  •  07-02-2009, 1:52 PM 642316 in reply to 642265

    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview *Final*

    brute does not beat arbiter without y-abilities. He only wins when neither have upgrades. The arbiter will win at the higher techs because of the reflect. The stronger brute chieftain is, the faster he dies.

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  •  07-02-2009, 2:44 PM 642359 in reply to 618923

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    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview

    the increase of the elephant's health and plasma/grenade/RPG doing more damage is what I am most happy about. Cutter can be more powerful and not be a weaklin anymore ( I win plenty of games with him though, cus I am genius)
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  •  07-02-2009, 3:11 PM 642376 in reply to 642316

    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview *Final*

    Cookie Krisp:brute does not beat arbiter without y-abilities. He only wins when neither have upgrades. The arbiter will win at the higher techs because of the reflect. The stronger brute chieftain is, the faster he dies.

    Have you tested this yourself cookie?  I really doubt that the arbiter wins without using rage. 

  •  07-02-2009, 3:17 PM 642384 in reply to 642376

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    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview *Final*

    Fuel:

    Cookie Krisp:brute does not beat arbiter without y-abilities. He only wins when neither have upgrades. The arbiter will win at the higher techs because of the reflect. The stronger brute chieftain is, the faster he dies.

    Have you tested this yourself cookie?  I really doubt that the arbiter wins without using rage. 

    I think he's right , sounds crazy though. The BC is slower, his Y-ability is slow and the arbiter can continously ran and hit while dodging the vortex and his reflects helps.


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  •  07-02-2009, 3:22 PM 642390 in reply to 642376

    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview *Final*

    Fuel:

    Cookie Krisp:brute does not beat arbiter without y-abilities. He only wins when neither have upgrades. The arbiter will win at the higher techs because of the reflect. The stronger brute chieftain is, the faster he dies.

    Have you tested this yourself cookie?  I really doubt that the arbiter wins without using rage. 

     

    i'm pretty sure he does. Brute is technically stronger, but the reflect allows arbiter to win by a lot.

     


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  •  07-02-2009, 3:42 PM 642414 in reply to 642390

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    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview *Final*

    Cookie Krisp:
    Fuel:

    Cookie Krisp:brute does not beat arbiter without y-abilities. He only wins when neither have upgrades. The arbiter will win at the higher techs because of the reflect. The stronger brute chieftain is, the faster he dies.

    Have you tested this yourself cookie?  I really doubt that the arbiter wins without using rage. 

     

    i'm pretty sure he does. Brute is technically stronger, but the reflect allows arbiter to win by a lot.

     

    Correctomundo!!!!


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  •  07-02-2009, 9:30 PM 642756 in reply to 642414

    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview *Final*

    Yep brute is no bueno vs arbiter.  PoR for the win...

    When the hell is this TU going to be released...Its going to make the game so much better I cannot wait.



  •  07-03-2009, 6:50 AM 643052 in reply to 642756

    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview *Final*

    Vrong:

    Yep brute is no bueno vs arbiter.  PoR for the win...

    When the hell is this TU going to be released...Its going to make the game so much better I cannot wait.

    I'm really looking forward to the TU3.  I love game changes that are meant to balance the game.  They're so... hopeful.
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  •  07-03-2009, 8:51 AM 643083 in reply to 618921

    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview

    I'm lovin' this update, other that a slight Grizzly health/ armor nerf especially vs Hunters (seriously, 20 fully upgraded Hunters can hardly fight off 5 of the *** things.), I think it's perfect. I'm especially loving the unit-release time upgrade, you have no idea how much that will help.

     

    Thanks guys.


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  •  07-03-2009, 10:50 AM 643187 in reply to 643083

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    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview

    Hopefully later they do something about people resigning all the time and try to put some type of penalty on that situation.
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  •  07-03-2009, 11:34 AM 643237 in reply to 618917

    Re: Title Update #3 balance notes preview *Final*

    you guys should actualy make the main infantry useful
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