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  •  09-04-2010, 1:14 PM 930676 in reply to 929770

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Veraam you're a religious eco-fanatic... are you home schooled by any chance?

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  •  09-04-2010, 2:22 PM 930695 in reply to 930647

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    fiery grave:

    True Dogs and cats can't love, but their pheromone system works similar to ours, just less diverse.... cats and dogs also don't have wars and don't worship a God.. are they going to hell for that? According to the bible they would.

    The random chance of DNA is mutations that naturally occur in the creation of a baby, its how birth defects like downs syndrome are formed in a person. Mutations happen all the time in the world and can be very obvious. If two people with dwarfism (a recessive gene) have a child and that child grows to a normal sized person its because of a mutation in the genetic code.

     

    Actually evolution has plenty of proof, look up Charles Darwin. He found  a series of Islands three of these islands each island has a birds living there all the bird looked really similar but were very different, they couldn't breed together so they are different species, on one Island the were two different types of food,seeds and berries, available on another on one type that was on the one island, seeds, and the third had berries on it. once the islands were all connected and one species of bird live on all three, but when they split the birds all went down different evolutionary paths (and evolution doesn't take millions and billions of years it can be as fast as three generations) they changed because the food supply had changed and they needed to evolve to survive. Darwin has proven a lot of things with genetics and things about evolution.

     

    Actually there are those creatures did exist http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/carnivorousdinosaurs/p/alvarezsaurus.htm just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they don't exist.

     Yes but plenty of animals have evolved or adapted for unnatural deaths, crocodiles their tough skin to protect from predators that would attack them, chameleons so that they don't get eaten and their is many more, why cant whales just adapt the same way? Its not different than any other animal that evolves or adapts to protect it self from things killing them.

     

     why isn't that Christan? God sanctioned it god says the same things in his "holy" book, In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered. (in the bible) That seems a lot like a guy with infinite love.... The bible was originally created to scare and control people, or as a nice story, and then it change to using hell to scare people and not this God person. If God is real he is arrogant and a ass hole and honestly I would prefer to go to hell than meet this guy, he like those Jersey Shore ass holes....

    well this is the halovers section of the forums  and I was trying to relate it to that but its still true as the entire game of halo is based of the bible.

    I will not end this because you brought religion into it... if you ever want to avoid these arguments in the first place never bring religion into it.

    I have gone to a Catholic school all my life, I have gone to church for a large portion of my life as well, I have never once believed any of this crap and I have had this argument with many people in the past, the only times I have lost were when i was a small child, since i turned 10 i haven't lost an argument over this subject ever because I know more about the bible than most people who call themselves Christians, most Christans have never read all of the bible, some of them ignore parts they don't like and very very few have read the books that were taken out of the bible by the original catholic church.

     

    Which in these books Jesus kills a man... which if I am not mistaken is a sin, But Him owning a brothel and whoring out women for money is never mentioned in sermon and  all the sins the infallible messiah has done are left out to.

    Animals don't go to heaven OR hell, jackass, and the Bible does NOT say that...

    Mutations NEVER help a creature adapt. EVER.
    Mutations cause frogs to grow extra limbs, cats to be missing the roofs of thier mouths, or humans to have legs that are fused together.
    They DO NOT help, and quit trying to tell me that some random mess-up in DNA ALWAYS manages to be exactly what the animal needs.

    /completely different species

    Eh?
    Then how come worms don't grow armor to resist bird attacks? Or gills so that water can't drown them?
    Dying by predators = natural.
    And why haven't humans adapted in some way to resist car crashes? Or gunshot wounds?

    It is called sacrifice for the greater of the whole.
    For example, if there is one Flood-infected person endangering an entire world, kill him. One life isn't worth a million.
    If there are one million corrupted fools spewing lies and endangering the faith of a billion, kill them...
    It's hard to imagine...but it was a much, MUCH more brutal time back then...

    *sigh*

    Shut up. I'm not talking about religion anymore...d*mmit this whole stupid thing started from me saying that I support Sea Shepherd's defense of the whales???

    It's been said that, although other animals like blue-finned-tuna (or w/e) were also under attack, and yet no one seems to care about doing anything about it.
    Well, you're right. No one's doing ANYTHING about it.
    But then people snap at Sea Shepherd and call them terrorists when they DO something?? When they actually TRY to save a species that's under attack???
    If SS had more money then I guarantee you they would do something more for many other creatures of the sea...but right now, the focus is whales. They just cannot afford to spread out across different areas of operation.
    All these stupid conservationist organizations say "Oh, donate sum money and save the whales!" or "Give a dollar, save a whale!"
    Please tell me exactly WTF they're doing with that money.
    That's right.
    Researching ways to save whales. WTF...

    You think Sea Shepherd messes around, that they're "eco-terrorists", or "pirates" for attacking a little whaling fleet??

    Then I'll show you, back in the days, when the target of Sea Shepherd's fury was most certainly NOT innocent...

     


    "I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."
  •  09-04-2010, 2:23 PM 930696 in reply to 930695

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    The Sierra Campaign

    Between 1968 and 1979 a whale hunter-killer ship roamed the Atlantic Ocean. She changed name and ownership several times in a continuing attempt to evade the conservation and fishing regulations of dozens of nations.

    By 1979, the ship was operating under the name Sierra. Her crew included four employees of the Taiyo Fishing Company of Japan, of which an investigation of shipping manifests by the Observer newspaper showed was the primary purchaser of the outlaw whaler's catch. (The Japan Whaling Commission claimed ignorance of the ship's activities. To this day, Japan is the principal market for whale meat.) Her captain was Arvid Nordengen, a Norwegian.

    The Sierra's operations were shockingly "efficient." Only the prime tail meat was taken, and the remaining 80% of the whale was thrown away. It was estimated that she had killed over 25,000 individual whales. Andrew Maurice Behr, director of the Sierra Fishing Company in South Africa, was quoted in the Argus, a Cape Town newspaper, as saying that whales were "endangered anyway. The world will soon be rid of them, so why not make a profit from them before they disappear?"

    Having been sensitized to the slaughter of whales by a close encounter four years before, Paul Watson had vowed to himself that he would hunt down the Sierra and end her career.

    With a grant from the Fund for Animals Captain Watson purchased a 19-year old North Sea cod trawler and renamed her the Sea Shepherd. Additional funds for preparation and fuel came from the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

    Using information from a variety of sources, over time Captain Watson narrowed down the Sierra's location to somewhere in the eastern Atlantic between Spain and Morocco and headed there in the Sea Shepherd. Twelve days out of Boston, on July 15, 1979, the Sierra was spotted. She turned and ran at full speed toward Portugal.

    Unfortunately, the seas were too rough for a controlled ramming, so the Sea Shepherd ran along side as both ships headed toward the Portuguese port of Leixoes.

    The next day, slipping out of port before the authorities noticed, the Sea Shepherd surprised the Sierra drifting just outside. By radio, Captain Watson warned Captain Nordengen of what he was going to do and accelerated to full speed.

    The reinforced bow of the 779-ton Sea Shepherd connected with the bow of the 650-ton Sierra and kept on going. Captain Watson circled around and hit the Sierra again on the port side, tearing open a 7- by 10-foot (2- by 3-meter) hole. The Sea Shepherd then slammed sideways into the smaller Sierra, staving in a long section of the Sierra's port-side hull.

    Listing badly, the Sierra ran for protection toward some Portuguese naval ships. The Sea Shepherd headed for Spanish waters, but a navy ship overtook the Sea Shepherd and convinced Captain Watson to return to Leixoes.

    In early November, 1979, without a hearing or trial, a Portuguese judge awarded the Sea Shepherd as damages to the owners of the Sierra. (Some inquiries suggested that the judge had been bribed by a representative for Andrew Behr). Afraid that the Sea Shepherd would be converted to whaling operations, Captain Watson and his crew scuttled the Sea Shepherd on the evening of December 31, 1979, by opening the sea valve in the engine room, and even though it pained them very much, sent her to the bottom.

    The Sierra had been towed to Lisbon for repairs, though the Portuguese authorities lied to the American consul and told him that the ship had left the country. Taking advantage of the Sierra's immobility, a team of underwater demolition experts made preparations to finish the career of the whaler.

    On February 6, 1980, after undergoing US$ one million in repairs, the Sierra was sunk at dockside by a single limpet mine that blew a small hole in the hull. The ship took on water and slowly sank until it struck the bottom. Nobody was injured.

    The sordid career of the Sierra was finally brought to an end.

    Later that year more limpet mines sank half of the Spanish whaling fleet. A reward offered by the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society for the sinking of whaling ships caused owners to mistrust their underpaid crews and shut down their own whaling operations. Sea Shepherd and her allies had achieved in one year what 10 years of rhetoric and national posturing had failed to do.

     


    "I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."
  •  09-04-2010, 2:33 PM 930698 in reply to 930695

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Veraam I think you have lost lol.
    I'm Terri-Trash at best :(
  •  09-04-2010, 2:36 PM 930699 in reply to 930698

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    l Slayer l:Veraam I think you have lost lol.

    Lost what?

    After all this wated time typing down text, I STILL have the same views as I did when we started.
    Know what they are?

    Evolution is fake.
    Money <<<< The life of ANY being.
    God is real.
    God created everything.
    I am a true Christian.
    I support Sea Shepherd.

    You got nowhere!

    Just end this...I'll stop posting PERIOD if everyone else does...I swear.

     


    "I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."
  •  09-04-2010, 2:39 PM 930700 in reply to 930699

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Fanatic
    I'm Terri-Trash at best :(
  •  09-04-2010, 5:57 PM 930807 in reply to 930699

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Veraam:

    l Slayer l:Veraam I think you have lost lol.

    Lost what?

    After all this wated time typing down text, I STILL have the same views as I did when we started.
    Know what they are?

    Evolution is fake.
    Money <<<< The life of ANY being.
    God is real.
    God created everything.
    I am a true Christian.
    I support Sea Shepherd.

    You got nowhere!

    Just end this...I'll stop posting PERIOD if everyone else does...I swear.

     

    Some of us have been decent and not attacked your religion. For example, I'm a Christian and do believe in evolution, but I haven't been hassling you about it. Only a few people went that route and its unfair you generalize their actions to the rest of us. 

    Now, I apologize for actually responding to this thread in the very beginning that got this ball rolling. I suspected even then that there would be people who would start shouting hatred at people who don't agree with them. I thought people could behave a little better than they have, and I apologize for expecting so much.

  •  09-04-2010, 6:00 PM 930809 in reply to 930807

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Jason X35:
    Veraam:

    l Slayer l:Veraam I think you have lost lol.

    Lost what?

    After all this wated time typing down text, I STILL have the same views as I did when we started.
    Know what they are?

    Evolution is fake.
    Money <<<< The life of ANY being.
    God is real.
    God created everything.
    I am a true Christian.
    I support Sea Shepherd.

    You got nowhere!

    Just end this...I'll stop posting PERIOD if everyone else does...I swear.

     

    Some of us have been decent and not attacked your religion. For example, I'm a Christian and do believe in evolution, but I haven't been hassling you about it. Only a few people went that route and its unfair you generalize their actions to the rest of us. 

    Now, I apologize for actually responding to this thread in the very beginning that got this ball rolling. I suspected even then that there would be people who would start shouting hatred at people who don't agree with them. I thought people could behave a little better than they have, and I apologize for expecting so much.

    Apology excepted...  -_-'

    And I don't even mean any insult by that...it's true.

    /thread. Just let this pointless thing die...

     


    "I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."
  •  09-04-2010, 6:01 PM 930810 in reply to 930809

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Veraam:
    Jason X35:
    Veraam:

    l Slayer l:Veraam I think you have lost lol.

    Lost what?

    After all this wated time typing down text, I STILL have the same views as I did when we started.
    Know what they are?

    Evolution is fake.
    Money <<<< The life of ANY being.
    God is real.
    God created everything.
    I am a true Christian.
    I support Sea Shepherd.

    You got nowhere!

    Just end this...I'll stop posting PERIOD if everyone else does...I swear.

     

    Some of us have been decent and not attacked your religion. For example, I'm a Christian and do believe in evolution, but I haven't been hassling you about it. Only a few people went that route and its unfair you generalize their actions to the rest of us. 

    Now, I apologize for actually responding to this thread in the very beginning that got this ball rolling. I suspected even then that there would be people who would start shouting hatred at people who don't agree with them. I thought people could behave a little better than they have, and I apologize for expecting so much.

    Apology excepted...  -_-'

    And I don't even mean any insult by that...it's true.

    /thread. Just let this pointless thing die...

     

    Agreed. Now let's come up with some new interesting post...got anything in mind Veraam?

  •  09-04-2010, 6:23 PM 930824 in reply to 930810

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Jason X35:
    Veraam:
    Jason X35:
    Veraam:

    l Slayer l:Veraam I think you have lost lol.

    Lost what?

    After all this wated time typing down text, I STILL have the same views as I did when we started.
    Know what they are?

    Evolution is fake.
    Money <<<< The life of ANY being.
    God is real.
    God created everything.
    I am a true Christian.
    I support Sea Shepherd.

    You got nowhere!

    Just end this...I'll stop posting PERIOD if everyone else does...I swear.

     

    Some of us have been decent and not attacked your religion. For example, I'm a Christian and do believe in evolution, but I haven't been hassling you about it. Only a few people went that route and its unfair you generalize their actions to the rest of us. 

    Now, I apologize for actually responding to this thread in the very beginning that got this ball rolling. I suspected even then that there would be people who would start shouting hatred at people who don't agree with them. I thought people could behave a little better than they have, and I apologize for expecting so much.

    Apology excepted...  -_-'

    And I don't even mean any insult by that...it's true.

    /thread. Just let this pointless thing die...

     

    Agreed. Now let's come up with some new interesting post...got anything in mind Veraam?

    I don't know...Halo Reach comes out in ten days or so...but there's really nothing new on that...


    "I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."
  •  09-04-2010, 6:31 PM 930831 in reply to 930699

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Veraam:

    l Slayer l:Veraam I think you have lost lol.

    Lost what?

    After all this wated time typing down text, I STILL have the same views as I did when we started.
    Know what they are?

    Evolution is fake.
    Money <<<< The life of ANY being.
    God is real.
    God created everything.
    I am a true Christian.
    I support Sea Shepherd.

    You got nowhere!

    Just end this...I'll stop posting PERIOD if everyone else does...I swear.

     

    No one said your opinions were changed.  But the watcher's opinions were, so you lose.

    No offense, but I'm really ticked off by religious people who deny anything that contradicts a book written a couple thousand years ago.  In my opinion, it was written to keep people in line (ie it tells you not to steal, kill, and reflects the period opinion of animals.  Oh, and it says you should never be doing nothing, which I agree with), which is a fine cause.  


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  •  09-04-2010, 6:41 PM 930834 in reply to 930831

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    DFang:
    Veraam:

    l Slayer l:Veraam I think you have lost lol.

    Lost what?

    After all this wated time typing down text, I STILL have the same views as I did when we started.
    Know what they are?

    Evolution is fake.
    Money <<<< The life of ANY being.
    God is real.
    God created everything.
    I am a true Christian.
    I support Sea Shepherd.

    You got nowhere!

    Just end this...I'll stop posting PERIOD if everyone else does...I swear.

     

    No one said your opinions were changed.  But the watcher's opinions were, so you lose.

    No offense, but I'm really ticked off by religious people who deny anything that contradicts a book written a couple thousand years ago.  In my opinion, it was written to keep people in line (ie it tells you not to steal, kill, and reflects the period opinion of animals.  Oh, and it says you should never be doing nothing, which I agree with), which is a fine cause.  

    The golden line right there.

    Thank you for your opinion.

    Go away.

     


    "I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."
  •  09-04-2010, 7:44 PM 930849 in reply to 930834

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Veraam:
    DFang:
    Veraam:

    l Slayer l:Veraam I think you have lost lol.

    Lost what?

    After all this wated time typing down text, I STILL have the same views as I did when we started.
    Know what they are?

    Evolution is fake.
    Money <<<< The life of ANY being.
    God is real.
    God created everything.
    I am a true Christian.
    I support Sea Shepherd.

    You got nowhere!

    Just end this...I'll stop posting PERIOD if everyone else does...I swear.

     

    No one said your opinions were changed.  But the watcher's opinions were, so you lose.

    No offense, but I'm really ticked off by religious people who deny anything that contradicts a book written a couple thousand years ago.  In my opinion, it was written to keep people in line (ie it tells you not to steal, kill, and reflects the period opinion of animals.  Oh, and it says you should never be doing nothing, which I agree with), which is a fine cause.  

    The golden line right there.

    Thank you for your opinion.

    Go away.

     

    I said that intentionally so I didn't start a religious uproar...


    Whenever a thread was hijacked and there were big quote boxes and lots of flame, I was there!

    Rank:Master Hijacker

    GT: I DFang I

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  •  09-04-2010, 7:49 PM 930850 in reply to 930849

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    DFang:
    Veraam:
    DFang:
    Veraam:

    l Slayer l:Veraam I think you have lost lol.

    Lost what?

    After all this wated time typing down text, I STILL have the same views as I did when we started.
    Know what they are?

    Evolution is fake.
    Money <<<< The life of ANY being.
    God is real.
    God created everything.
    I am a true Christian.
    I support Sea Shepherd.

    You got nowhere!

    Just end this...I'll stop posting PERIOD if everyone else does...I swear.

     

    No one said your opinions were changed.  But the watcher's opinions were, so you lose.

    No offense, but I'm really ticked off by religious people who deny anything that contradicts a book written a couple thousand years ago.  In my opinion, it was written to keep people in line (ie it tells you not to steal, kill, and reflects the period opinion of animals.  Oh, and it says you should never be doing nothing, which I agree with), which is a fine cause.  

    The golden line right there.

    Thank you for your opinion.

    Go away.

     

    I said that intentionally so I didn't start a religious uproar...

    Good. And you didn't.

    STOP POSTING HERE.


    "I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."
  •  09-04-2010, 9:24 PM 930872 in reply to 930850

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    life was *** up in the Old Testament.

    /discussion

    ...uh, they were using mines to sink whaling ships? that's kinda sketchy...might result in fatalities.

    and Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just examples of what happens when you *** with America. You hit us, we hit you harder.


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