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  •  09-03-2010, 10:46 PM 930544 in reply to 930531

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    fiery grave:
    Veraam:

    Look, I mispoke- BADLY, I admit- about the krill thing, but my objection still stands:

    Whales are intelligent. They lament, they feel agony, they even seem to love.

    They are endangered, cows / chickens / farm-food animals are NOT.

    I just don't want to see them die out...I know I sounded aggressive before, but I really have no hatred against Japan, it's just the WHALES...

     

    the only creature that can love besides a human is the dolphin... and even thats sketchy... love is just a chemical reaction in the brain.

    Beside most people have no problem with us allowing the most intelligent animal on earth  to die out... man.

     Japanese have been whaling since 12th century if they were going to go extinct  they would have. beside virtually nothing kills whales without whaling they would likely overpopulate  

    sad part is we need a world war to save civilized humanity... besides we could use the tech advancement. 

    No, it's not, idiot. Why do you think I was so enraged about the Nanking- *sigh* nevermind.
    Love is the one other thing besides God Himself that is undeniable yet also unable to be proven by science...

    HA! You think we're dying out?? We're breeding like rats! THAT'S why we're "dying out"!!

    Whales AREN'T extinct, they are GOING extinct!! Tell me: how many whales were there in the ocean JUST before the 12th century compared to now?

    Whales HARDLY breed at all...that's WHY they're going extinct: they can't keep up with the death rate.
    And the whalers go for the babies first so that the mom sticks around, unwilling to leave it...then they kill her, too.

    Yeah, more guns. Great. Gtfo.


    "I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."
  •  09-03-2010, 11:13 PM 930553 in reply to 930544

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Veraam:
    fiery grave:
    Veraam:

    Look, I mispoke- BADLY, I admit- about the krill thing, but my objection still stands:

    Whales are intelligent. They lament, they feel agony, they even seem to love.

    They are endangered, cows / chickens / farm-food animals are NOT.

    I just don't want to see them die out...I know I sounded aggressive before, but I really have no hatred against Japan, it's just the WHALES...

     

    the only creature that can love besides a human is the dolphin... and even thats sketchy... love is just a chemical reaction in the brain.

    Beside most people have no problem with us allowing the most intelligent animal on earth  to die out... man.

     Japanese have been whaling since 12th century if they were going to go extinct  they would have. beside virtually nothing kills whales without whaling they would likely overpopulate  

    sad part is we need a world war to save civilized humanity... besides we could use the tech advancement. 

    No, it's not, idiot. Why do you think I was so enraged about the Nanking- *sigh* nevermind.
    Love is the one other thing besides God Himself that is undeniable yet also unable to be proven by science...

    HA! You think we're dying out?? We're breeding like rats! THAT'S why we're "dying out"!!

    Whales AREN'T extinct, they are GOING extinct!! Tell me: how many whales were there in the ocean JUST before the 12th century compared to now?

    Whales HARDLY breed at all...that's WHY they're going extinct: they can't keep up with the death rate.
    And the whalers go for the babies first so that the mom sticks around, unwilling to leave it...then they kill her, too.

    Yeah, more guns. Great. Gtfo.

    The bible didnt exist a million years ago; there was no such thing as religion.

    I win.


    I'm Terri-Trash at best :(
  •  09-03-2010, 11:23 PM 930556 in reply to 930553

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    l Slayer l:
    Veraam:
    fiery grave:
    Veraam:

    Look, I mispoke- BADLY, I admit- about the krill thing, but my objection still stands:

    Whales are intelligent. They lament, they feel agony, they even seem to love.

    They are endangered, cows / chickens / farm-food animals are NOT.

    I just don't want to see them die out...I know I sounded aggressive before, but I really have no hatred against Japan, it's just the WHALES...

     

    the only creature that can love besides a human is the dolphin... and even thats sketchy... love is just a chemical reaction in the brain.

    Beside most people have no problem with us allowing the most intelligent animal on earth  to die out... man.

     Japanese have been whaling since 12th century if they were going to go extinct  they would have. beside virtually nothing kills whales without whaling they would likely overpopulate  

    sad part is we need a world war to save civilized humanity... besides we could use the tech advancement. 

    No, it's not, idiot. Why do you think I was so enraged about the Nanking- *sigh* nevermind.
    Love is the one other thing besides God Himself that is undeniable yet also unable to be proven by science...

    HA! You think we're dying out?? We're breeding like rats! THAT'S why we're "dying out"!!

    Whales AREN'T extinct, they are GOING extinct!! Tell me: how many whales were there in the ocean JUST before the 12th century compared to now?

    Whales HARDLY breed at all...that's WHY they're going extinct: they can't keep up with the death rate.
    And the whalers go for the babies first so that the mom sticks around, unwilling to leave it...then they kill her, too.

    Yeah, more guns. Great. Gtfo.

    The bible didnt exist a million years ago; there was no such thing as religion.

    I win.

    Earth didn't either.

    God did.

    I win.


    "I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."
  •  09-03-2010, 11:31 PM 930560 in reply to 930556

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Veraam:
    l Slayer l:
    Veraam:
    fiery grave:
    Veraam:

    Look, I mispoke- BADLY, I admit- about the krill thing, but my objection still stands:

    Whales are intelligent. They lament, they feel agony, they even seem to love.

    They are endangered, cows / chickens / farm-food animals are NOT.

    I just don't want to see them die out...I know I sounded aggressive before, but I really have no hatred against Japan, it's just the WHALES...

     

    the only creature that can love besides a human is the dolphin... and even thats sketchy... love is just a chemical reaction in the brain.

    Beside most people have no problem with us allowing the most intelligent animal on earth  to die out... man.

     Japanese have been whaling since 12th century if they were going to go extinct  they would have. beside virtually nothing kills whales without whaling they would likely overpopulate  

    sad part is we need a world war to save civilized humanity... besides we could use the tech advancement. 

    No, it's not, idiot. Why do you think I was so enraged about the Nanking- *sigh* nevermind.
    Love is the one other thing besides God Himself that is undeniable yet also unable to be proven by science...

    HA! You think we're dying out?? We're breeding like rats! THAT'S why we're "dying out"!!

    Whales AREN'T extinct, they are GOING extinct!! Tell me: how many whales were there in the ocean JUST before the 12th century compared to now?

    Whales HARDLY breed at all...that's WHY they're going extinct: they can't keep up with the death rate.
    And the whalers go for the babies first so that the mom sticks around, unwilling to leave it...then they kill her, too.

    Yeah, more guns. Great. Gtfo.

    The bible didnt exist a million years ago; there was no such thing as religion.

    I win.

    Earth didn't either.

    God did.

    I win.

    The earth is approximatley 4.4 billion years old. your a moron lol.
    I'm Terri-Trash at best :(
  •  09-03-2010, 11:36 PM 930561 in reply to 930560

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    You're going by irrelevant scientific standards.

    The Earth is approximately 6,000 to 8,000 years old, by CORRECT readings...

    This arguement is over...I'm going to bed...


    "I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."
  •  09-03-2010, 11:38 PM 930562 in reply to 930561

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Veraam:

    You're going by irrelevant scientific standards.

    The Earth is approximately 6,000 to 8,000 years old, by CORRECT readings...

    This arguement is over...I'm going to bed...

    wow your a joke, the average rock in your back yard is twice as old as that. you can use isotope dating, and find out how old any rock is.

    please dont be dumb.


    I'm Terri-Trash at best :(
  •  09-03-2010, 11:44 PM 930565 in reply to 930562

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    l Slayer l:
    Veraam:

    You're going by irrelevant scientific standards.

    The Earth is approximately 6,000 to 8,000 years old, by CORRECT readings...

    This arguement is over...I'm going to bed...

    wow your a joke, the average rock in your back yard is twice as old as that. you can use isotope dating, and find out how old any rock is.

    please dont be dumb.

    And who's to say YOU aren't being dumb, eh?

    Who's to say that a particular scientist's calculations were way off? Or that they were just coming up with an excuse to allow evolution into the timeline?

    We should just seriously end this now before it turns into another "Bible is Fake" thread...

    You believe your side, I'll believe mine. Truce?

     


    "I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."
  •  09-04-2010, 12:11 AM 930572 in reply to 930524

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    AC Matt Klassen:
    l Slayer l:

    japs are cool.

    Pearl Harbor wasn't.

    Nanking definitely wasn't.

    ...

    The Wii sure as fucking hell wasn't.

     

    Hiroshima wasn't cool

    nagasaki definantly wasn't cool

     

    hey guess what one of those events killed more innocents than both Pearl Harbor and "The supposed' Nanking... still no bodies no witnesses no reliable victims... along with a non existent branch of Japanese military (which doesn't even exist anymore and is not invading second world countries for their oil)... combined

    guess what pearl harbor was a military base... if its attacked that is to be expected during a war... Nagasaki and Hiroshima were not military complex and had no soldiers stationed there... the radiation left over from those bombs still cause civilians and children to die and cause many more horrible suffering. Many Japanese men are sterile because of the radiation and can never have kids  this lead them to have to commit sepuku as its dishonorable to not have kids.

     Do you like the xbox? or the PS3, those were developed in Japan, just about every little piece of technology, like MP3 players and cell phone and even the entire concept of texting, was made and originally developed in Japan by Japanese people.

    Veraam

    Love is proven by science, its a chemical reaction in your brain that causes you to feel happier and gives you that love feeling, its trigged by pheromones that are released from the body. And you can "learn" to trigger this chemical reaction in your body by getting to know some one  that you find highly attached to and spending time with them.

    God on the other hand cannot be proven at all, but either way if there is a God (Which should not be brought into any discussion that doesn't start out about religion as its counter productive) he gives us the choice to worship him or not by giving us free will and if we choose not to it is still a choice he... and others who follow him would have to accept because its a God given choice. 

    the earth is proven to be 4.4billion years old because of carbon dating... and because I don't feel like explaining the entire process and idea behind carbon dating i'll link to its wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating and then there is the fact of the fossils being found buried under rock that has been there for more than 10000 years. Ohh BTW humans (modern humans) are about 10000 years old an Neanderthals(the metal equivalent and physically superior cousins to *** sapiens were around 30,000 years ago (they didn't survive though because of their lack of a voice box and being unable to communicate properly.

     

    please don't tell me your on of those overly zealous religious people who doesn't believe in evolution and follows every word of the bible... 

  •  09-04-2010, 12:28 AM 930574 in reply to 930572

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Love is an unexplainable emotion that rages through your heart when you see someone...and you KNOW he / she is the ONE.
    Science can say whatever it wants, but trust me...you'll understand once you meet YOUR true love.
    The "chemical reaction" is a natural response to seeing a "mate"; even though you're not THINKING it, your mind is still a bit on the dirtier side...it's going on standby, just in case.
    That's why SO MANY teenagers experiencing what you're calling "love" are actually just experiencing a sexual urge...and they're embracing it as if it WAS love, and making a terrible mistake...

    I am a true Christian.
    You might as well stop now with trying to use "science" to prove God doesn't exist.
    God CREATED the fabric of what we call reality, so therefore he CREATED everything that we base science on...so He can't be proven real by it.

    LOL  Wikipedia is a JOKE!!
    xD
    "Neanderthal" = big ugly dinosaur ape.

    I believe in the truth of adaptation, not the theory of evolution.
    T-Rex's DID NOT turn into chickens.
    But animals DO adapt depending on climate, and go extinct if the change is too drastic.
    For example, I believe that today's elephants could be decendants of mammoths, who, because of the warming climate, adapted to have shorter fur.
    Humans adapted to climates such as Africa as well, developing darker skin to better absorb and deter sunlight. That's why people who stay inside too long / get lost in caves turn white; because they're auto-adapting to fit the darkness, like white grub worms and such.

    But does adaptation take millions / billions of years like that evolution trash?
    HECK NO.

     


    "I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."
  •  09-04-2010, 12:53 AM 930580 in reply to 930574

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Veraam:

    I am a true Christian.
    You might as well stop now with trying to use "science" to prove God doesn't exist.
    God CREATED the fabric of what we call reality, so therefore he CREATED everything that we base science on...so He can't be proven real by it.

    LOL  Wikipedia is a JOKE!!
    xD
    "Neanderthal" = big ugly dinosaur ape.

     

    Wikipedia is full of crap, any random can say anything and people will believe it. its very sad.
    I'm Terri-Trash at best :(
  •  09-04-2010, 12:55 AM 930581 in reply to 930580

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    l Slayer l:
    Veraam:

    I am a true Christian.
    You might as well stop now with trying to use "science" to prove God doesn't exist.
    God CREATED the fabric of what we call reality, so therefore he CREATED everything that we base science on...so He can't be proven real by it.

    LOL  Wikipedia is a JOKE!!
    xD
    "Neanderthal" = big ugly dinosaur ape.

     

    Wikipedia is full of crap, any random can say anything and people will believe it. its very sad.

    My friend once joined that, and replaced the ENTIRE page on George Washington with the page on the history of Twinkies...

    Two days later, they changed it back and banned him.

    Pathetic...xD

     


    "I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."
  •  09-04-2010, 1:07 AM 930584 in reply to 930574

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Veraam:

    Love is an unexplainable emotion that rages through your heart when you see someone...and you KNOW he / she is the ONE.
    Science can say whatever it wants, but trust me...you'll understand once you meet YOUR true love.
    The "chemical reaction" is a natural response to seeing a "mate"; even though you're not THINKING it, your mind is still a bit on the dirtier side...it's going on standby, just in case.
    That's why SO MANY teenagers experiencing what you're calling "love" are actually just experiencing a sexual urge...and they're embracing it as if it WAS love, and making a terrible mistake...

     

    I have experienced Love and I have experienced attraction, they are very different but teenagers body's produce more pheromones than an adult one thus causing them to experience  "love" attraction is what you feel when a hot woman walk by your path, love is what you feel when their pheromones match yours body pheromone receptical, your pheromones will not alway match theirs though... that is how love and the circle of life works... thats why we can make a dog hump a cat...

    Veraam:

    I am a true Christian.
    You might as well stop now with trying to use "science" to prove God doesn't exist.
    God CREATED the fabric of what we call reality, so therefore he CREATED everything that we base science on...so He can't be proven real by it.

     

    But then If I go of this human made mind set of faith, then who created God... and if he created himself  who gave him the power to do so?

     

    Veraam:

    take a look at this site and see if you think differently http://www.evilbible.com/ 

    LOL  Wikipedia is a JOKE!!
    xD

     

    fine here http://www.radiocarbon.com/carbon-dating.htm?_kk=carbon%20dating&_kt=f0ccd584-96db-4a85-92da-31b27298e91e&gclid=CIO44omH7aMCFeI55wodni9O4w

     

    Veraam:
    "Neanderthal" = big ugly dinosaur ape.

     

    it was, but we weren't pretty back then either... people from around the time of the bible were average 4' tall... through evolution we started becoming taller... 

     

    Veraam: 

    I believe in the truth of adaptation, not the theory of evolution.
    T-Rex's DID NOT turn into chickens.
    But animals DO adapt depending on climate, and go extinct if the change is too drastic.
    For example, I believe that today's elephants could be decendants of mammoths, who, because of the warming climate, adapted to have shorter fur.

     

    T-rexes didn't turn into chickens your right... they evolved to be smaller because of the food supply becoming smaller and eventually grew feathers for warmth when Pangea broke apart and the climates became colder

    Elephants are descendants of mammoths.. are they the same creature... no, a mammoth and elephant wouldn't be able to breed together , so they are not the same creature... but they are related... over time a mutation appeared in the genetic code of the mammoths... either through a virus or the random chance of DNA, this adaptation helped the creature survive and since it had a better chance of survival when it mated it passed those genes down to the next generation which spread it further and further down the generations thats how evolution works and has been proven to work because we have recorded documents of animals evolving.. sometimes they don't always get beneficial mutations that cause the animal to die and not spread down its genes.... thats survival of the fittest. 

     

     

    Veraam:
    Humans adapted to climates such as Africa as well, developing darker skin to better absorb and deter sunlight. That's why people who stay inside too long / get lost in caves turn white; because they're auto-adapting to fit the darkness, like white grub worms and such.

    But does adaptation take millions / billions of years like that evolution trash?
    HECK NO.

     

    Thats close except its the other way around, we started black... originating from what now is Africa and as we moved to cooler climates our skin paled due to a mutation , thus evolution.

    Adapting implies that a human who is born black can move to a cooler climate and become white with out the effects of a disease, thats not going to happen but thats adaptation. But if a black community moves into a cooler climate and one child is born white, and when he passes down his white genes he has 2 white kids who each have 2 white kids, add a white to the community. thats evolution.

    Evolution has been proven and is considered a scientific fact... thus meaning it was Gods will for us to believe in Evolution making it heathen to believe otherwise. hell even the pope agree that evolution happened because the bible works like that... you ignore parts that don't make sense but stick to the intangible things.

    Certain species can adapt to certain things as apart of their evolutionary line  and abilities they have gained. but if this adaptation is true why haven't the whales adapted armor to protect themselves from whalers or adapted the ability to breed more often to keep their species alive.... unless God wants them dead.

     

    more so I can't understand how you can sit there and say killing these whales is wrong when God gave us rule over them, yet God says all men are made equal  but you stick by a church that started the horrible crusades and was racist and against many different people in this world and a bible that actually says they are not men and can be/should be killed? and that women are not mens equals?

    Acording to the bible you can sell your daughter as a sex slave and still be in God's good graces 

     

    Christianity is a religion full of holes and will one day lead us to yet another war started over religion (as ALL wars have been)  and we will end up just like the covenant in the halo verse... blind fools who believe what the religious leader says no matter what. there are many religions with few to no hole that have reasoning and knows what it says without being contradictory, they also don't have a sinner messiah (Yes Jesus sinned a lot) read the books of the bible that were left out of your every day church bible

  •  09-04-2010, 9:31 AM 930637 in reply to 930584

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Just shut your virtual mouth.
    Dogs can't love, niether can cats, THAT'S the "chem reactions."
    Humans can LOVE...and that is that.

    You see?
    God created time, and placed within us an understanding of that time. He has been here for infinity, NO ONE created Him, and we just can't fathom how long "infinity" is because we already know what "time" is.
    God CREATED EVERYTHING, just TRY to understand that no "science" is going to prove otherwise!

    Nope, not evolution but adaptation.
    Growing taller would be a simple adaptation- for example- if the people of older times were forced to walk great distances.
    Which they were.

    "...either through a virus or some random chance of DNA..."
    See, this is what I call ridiculous.
    Evolutionists try to prove that God didn't "randomly" create the world...by saying that creatures "randomly" created themselves??
    Waht...?

    Evolution has about as much "proof" of being real as God Himself.
    Tell me this, then: if T-Rex's turned into ostrich-things, then where are all the transient in-between species?
    Where's the half-feather-covered thing with a beak and Rex teeth?
    Or did some random Rex just crap out an ostrich egg?

    Whaling is an unnatural death.
    To humans black skin = sun protection...which is natural.
    To dinosaurs smaller size = food-source conservation...which is natural.
    Getting shot in the back by a harpoon, shot repeatedly with a rifle, then drowned in your own blood = NOT natural.

    People are so confused about TRUE Christianity these days...
    The ones who started "crusades" and were racist and w/e...that's not Christian.
    I believe in the one and only God.
    I believe in defending the existence of life.
    I believe in waiting for your true love instead of wasting yourself on some slattern.
    I believe in the words of the Bible.

    And comparing this arguement to a video game = wtf...

    JUST END THIS.
    I'll believe what I believe, you can believe whatever it is that you do.
    This isn't going to prove anything...

     


    "I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."
  •  09-04-2010, 11:18 AM 930647 in reply to 930637

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    True Dogs and cats can't love, but their pheromone system works similar to ours, just less diverse.... cats and dogs also don't have wars and don't worship a God.. are they going to hell for that? According to the bible they would.

    The random chance of DNA is mutations that naturally occur in the creation of a baby, its how birth defects like downs syndrome are formed in a person. Mutations happen all the time in the world and can be very obvious. If two people with dwarfism (a recessive gene) have a child and that child grows to a normal sized person its because of a mutation in the genetic code.

     

    Actually evolution has plenty of proof, look up Charles Darwin. He found  a series of Islands three of these islands each island has a birds living there all the bird looked really similar but were very different, they couldn't breed together so they are different species, on one Island the were two different types of food,seeds and berries, available on another on one type that was on the one island, seeds, and the third had berries on it. once the islands were all connected and one species of bird live on all three, but when they split the birds all went down different evolutionary paths (and evolution doesn't take millions and billions of years it can be as fast as three generations) they changed because the food supply had changed and they needed to evolve to survive. Darwin has proven a lot of things with genetics and things about evolution.

     

    Actually there are those creatures did exist http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/carnivorousdinosaurs/p/alvarezsaurus.htm just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they don't exist.

     Yes but plenty of animals have evolved or adapted for unnatural deaths, crocodiles their tough skin to protect from predators that would attack them, chameleons so that they don't get eaten and their is many more, why cant whales just adapt the same way? Its not different than any other animal that evolves or adapts to protect it self from things killing them.

     

     why isn't that Christan? God sanctioned it god says the same things in his "holy" book, In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered. (in the bible) That seems a lot like a guy with infinite love.... The bible was originally created to scare and control people, or as a nice story, and then it change to using hell to scare people and not this God person. If God is real he is arrogant and a ass hole and honestly I would prefer to go to hell than meet this guy, he like those Jersey Shore ass holes....

    well this is the halovers section of the forums  and I was trying to relate it to that but its still true as the entire game of halo is based of the bible.

    I will not end this because you brought religion into it... if you ever want to avoid these arguments in the first place never bring religion into it.

    I have gone to a Catholic school all my life, I have gone to church for a large portion of my life as well, I have never once believed any of this crap and I have had this argument with many people in the past, the only times I have lost were when i was a small child, since i turned 10 i haven't lost an argument over this subject ever because I know more about the bible than most people who call themselves Christians, most Christans have never read all of the bible, some of them ignore parts they don't like and very very few have read the books that were taken out of the bible by the original catholic church.

     

    Which in these books Jesus kills a man... which if I am not mistaken is a sin, But Him owning a brothel and whoring out women for money is never mentioned in sermon and  all the sins the infallible messiah has done are left out to.

  •  09-04-2010, 12:21 PM 930656 in reply to 930544

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Veraam:...general posts...

    What I'm saying is, modern-day, Japan is a peaceful country with.  It's just that the gov't does a really bad job of keeping control and is generally clueless, so it's up to the people themselves to not start a civil war.  Obviously, it's working. 


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