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Imbrium:I was pretty disapointed by the Spartans vs. Elites/Forge vs. Arbiter cutscene. It was just wasn't realistic at all. Arbiter would WTFPWN Forge in hand to hand any day, in the books just 1 Minor Elite(Blue) equals a Spartan in strength and speed and the Arbiter is massive for an Elite. So how did Forge win so easily?

The battle was completely realistic for Spartans; if anything it was too easy for them. As for Forge beating the Arbiter, Ripa was horrendously arrogant, and was basically toying with Forge. That's why Forge won.

 

And for anyone who thinks the storyline was horrendous; it was 10 times better than Halo: The Cole Protocol. 

bah, an elite and a spartan is an equal fight. don't glamor them up. ensemble made the elites look like idiots, they would never fight like that, no matter how zealous they are.

even if the arbiter was arrogant, one punch should have been enough to crack open forges skull, he is a human after all. 

I know, an elite would be much more powerful in battle than in halo wars. Especially all those elite where Honor Guards, One of the strongest elites, the could beat the spartans with one hand. And forge is just a whimp, having to use a cheap death wish just to beat Arbiter and Arbiter respecting his wish and giving him it gets betrayed by forge, what a pig!

Four things to say:

1. The campaign was good not the most super-special-awsome campaign ever but a good one.
2. Forge vs Arbie, Forge is a maniac he would have tried to fight even whith broken bones. The Arbie was also just as people have said toying with him he could have killed him earlier but just prefered to watch forge struggle on. Also elites aren't that much stronger than humans mabey twice as strong (they were supposed to be clever and nimble, the brutes are the mega strong ones.) Though it was luck that saved forge in the end. I was rooting for Shearly.
3. Spartans vs Elites. OK here's my verdict on this fight. 3 spartans can easily help each other better than the elites could as they were better trained. I would have prefered the elites to put up a better fight, but I don't really mined. besides how many of you want to be able to do that on halo. Those elites had probably never had aproper fight before anyway as there weapons look more ceramonial than military.
   
4. Halo Wars is cannon, PoR survives and the old Arbiter dies. Yes we see the flood but the SoF is light years away from the rest of the UNSC with no way of "jumping" back and no chance of rescue as they left in a rush and are in an unexplored system. This means that everything used on the SoF is also lost, INCLUDING the Spartans, and all the information the had gathered.
   

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Fact: A Sangheili, and definitely a gargantuan Arbiter  ranked Sangheili, would at least be as (if not more in Ripa's case) powerful as a SPARTAN-II. Now we know from the novels that SPARTAN-IIs could barely touch human beings in combat practice -or at all- without seriously injuring them, let alone punch them full in the stomach with the human surviving or leaving them crippled! It should have been no different with one of the strongest Sangheili we have seen so far.

Fact: The Master Chief always had a major struggle winning in hand-to-hand combat situations from Sangheili. The ease and souplesse Douglas, Alice and Jerome single-handedly took out Sangheili in a matter of seconds is of a class the Master Chief  has never shown. So, are these young 20 year old SPARTAN-IIs so much better than the Master Chief with his 20 years of more experience and being in his physical prime, not even to mention him always being the most promising SPARTAN-II during his training? No, ofcourse not, people have the desire to make things seem canonically correct even albeit they clearly aren't.

Shikoku16:Fact: A Sangheili, and definitely a gargantuan Arbiter  ranked Sangheili, would at least be as (if not more in Ripa's case) powerful as a SPARTAN-II. Now we know from the novels that SPARTAN-IIs could barely touch human beings in combat practice -or at all- without seriously injuring them, let alone punch them full in the stomach with the human surviving or leaving them crippled! It should have been no different with one of the strongest Sangheili we have seen so far.

Ripa was playing with him. I doubt he punched him with any intent but making him feel pain. If he really wanted to kill him, we would have picked up the Energy Sword before throwing him around like a rag doll.

Shikoku16:Fact: The Master Chief always had a major struggle winning in hand-to-hand combat situations from Sangheili. The ease and souplesse Douglas, Alice and Jerome single-handedly took out Sangheili in a matter of seconds is of a class the Master Chief  has never shown. So, are these young 20 year old SPARTAN-IIs so much better than the Master Chief with his 20 years of more experience and being in his physical prime, not even to mention him always being the most promising SPARTAN-II during his training? No, ofcourse not, people have the desire to make things seem canonically correct even albeit they clearly aren't.

Cutscene power to the max. 

Actually, as far as I recall, the Master Chief seems to mow down Elites by the dozens (with the exception of two Elites narrated in Fall of Reach and First Strike).The first Elite was also the first Elite that the Chief encountered in combat. Alice, Douglas, and Jerome had been fighting them at least since Arcadia. They're probably a bit more familiar with minor Elites. The second Elite was a shipmaster, expected to be tough as nails. It's also important to note that the Chief wasn't in the best of shape when he faced this Elite (and Nylund likely needed to make the battle dramatic in order to reach a quota).

It is also important to note that these Elites had no shields and only melee weapons. A far more significant question is why the Honor Guards didn't take their staffs with them.

im just joking but what if sgt forge is sgt johnson and forge gets burned from the explosion and turn's balck

 

Ripa was playing with him. I doubt he punched him with any intent but making him feel pain. If he really wanted to kill him, we would have picked up the Energy Sword before throwing him around like a rag doll.

You should ask yourself why I wrote that in reply to what has been said before because you're merely repeating them. As I stated previously; There is NO way if a SPARTAN-II could basically barely lay his hand on someone's shoulder without causing a minor injury, whilst one of the biggest and physically most imposing Sangheili we have seen in canon could just punch a human being right in the gutter without any noticeable damage. I'm not saying he wasn't toying around, just that it is incorrect.

Actually, as far as I recall, the Master Chief seems to mow down Elites by the dozens (with the exception of two Elites narrated in Fall of Reach and First Strike).The first Elite was also the first Elite that the Chief encountered in combat. Alice, Douglas, and Jerome had been fighting them at least since Arcadia. They're probably a bit more familiar with minor Elites. The second Elite was a shipmaster, expected to be tough as nails. It's also important to note that the Chief wasn't in the best of shape when he faced this Elite (and Nylund likely needed to make the battle dramatic in order to reach a quota).

 I doubt it was with ease. If you did read the book Halo: The Flood then you would notice that in the majority of his fights he either was at an extreme distance from any Sangheili or just didnt face any at all. There were relatively few instances where he actually fought them one on one or at worse odds. When he did it took several grenades and possably a clip or two from his assault rifle to finish one off . Which ofcourse says nothing about the physical strength about the Sangheili, which really does matter in this case. They were very difficult opponents for him. However due to the zealot nature of the Sangheili their blood rages would get the better of them and enable Spartan-117 to finish them off.

 

At other times during that particular campaign he was assisted by several UNSC Marines who were able to add their firepower to his. This enabled them to quickly take down Sangheili that barred their way.

So no it didnt vary much at all. It only feels that way as the vast majority of the Sangheili he did face in one on one combat were minor Sangheili who bairly rated the honor of being the the Covenant military. In none of the novels the Master Chief 'mowed' them down by the dozen with the relative easy you claim.

 

It is also important to note that these Elites had no shields and only melee weapons. A far more significant question is why the Honor Guards didn't take their staffs with them.

Yet, a fact is that SPARTAN-IIs didn't have shielding in 2531 either (Another debate point, let's leave it out). That means even a lucky hit would penetrate through the MJOLNIR armor and morbidly injure a SPARTAN-II. Ofcourse, for cool cutscene reasons, the SPARTAN-IIs stand,dodge and kill like they're hunting down a pack of cowardly unggoy. If we wouldn't know they had them from gameplay, we wouldn't have noticed it because of their 'Can't touch touch duh duh duh doh, duh doh' portrayal in the cutscenes.

A likely reason for the  Honor Gaurd being unequipped is the fact that in that particular period of the war a 'Honor Gaurd' was merely a ceremonial position. Uprisings within the Covenant were purged before it could even get close to the higher prophets, and no humans had ever been so close to prophets before. It was most likely a position gained by status and through clan loyalty, rather than a real fighting force. (Think the Swiss guard, at the Vatican)

btw, what do you mean by, they didn't take their staffs with them? They're clearly using them in combat.

Spartan R41:

Imbrium:I was pretty disapointed by the Spartans vs. Elites/Forge vs. Arbiter cutscene. It was just wasn't realistic at all. Arbiter would WTFPWN Forge in hand to hand any day, in the books just 1 Minor Elite(Blue) equals a Spartan in strength and speed and the Arbiter is massive for an Elite. So how did Forge win so easily?

The battle was completely realistic for Spartans; if anything it was too easy for them. As for Forge beating the Arbiter, Ripa was horrendously arrogant, and was basically toying with Forge. That's why Forge won.

 

And for anyone who thinks the storyline was horrendous; it was 10 times better than Halo: The Cole Protocol. 

 Not to mention, putting a knife through the neck of just about anything will kill it. Although, you'd think with the limited knowledge of covenant biology the fact he hit the jugular was sheer luck.

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Shikoku16:Fact: A Sangheili, and definitely a gargantuan Arbiter  ranked Sangheili, would at least be as (if not more in Ripa's case) powerful as a SPARTAN-II. Now we know from the novels that SPARTAN-IIs could barely touch human beings in combat practice -or at all- without seriously injuring them, let alone punch them full in the stomach with the human surviving or leaving them crippled! It should have been no different with one of the strongest Sangheili we have seen so far.

Ripa was playing with him. I doubt he punched him with any intent but making him feel pain. If he really wanted to kill him, we would have picked up the Energy Sword before throwing him around like a rag doll.

Shikoku16:Fact: The Master Chief always had a major struggle winning in hand-to-hand combat situations from Sangheili. The ease and souplesse Douglas, Alice and Jerome single-handedly took out Sangheili in a matter of seconds is of a class the Master Chief  has never shown. So, are these young 20 year old SPARTAN-IIs so much better than the Master Chief with his 20 years of more experience and being in his physical prime, not even to mention him always being the most promising SPARTAN-II during his training? No, ofcourse not, people have the desire to make things seem canonically correct even albeit they clearly aren't.

Cutscene power to the max. 

Actually, as far as I recall, the Master Chief seems to mow down Elites by the dozens (with the exception of two Elites narrated in Fall of Reach and First Strike).The first Elite was also the first Elite that the Chief encountered in combat. Alice, Douglas, and Jerome had been fighting them at least since Arcadia. They're probably a bit more familiar with minor Elites. The second Elite was a shipmaster, expected to be tough as nails. It's also important to note that the Chief wasn't in the best of shape when he faced this Elite (and Nylund likely needed to make the battle dramatic in order to reach a quota).

It is also important to note that these Elites had no shields and only melee weapons. A far more significant question is why the Honor Guards didn't take their staffs with them.

They're also "nearly telepathic" or so it says in the books. Meaning that they know exactly who is where and in danger of what. Because of that I'm not surprised that they were able to mow down 10+ elites without a scratch.

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They're also "nearly telepathic" or so it says in the books. Meaning that they know exactly who is where and in danger of what. Because of that I'm not surprised that they were able to mow down 10+ elites without a scratch.

10+ you say? I'd say count them, atleast 15 (Maybe 16, or 17 depending on who they were shooting at outside the camera's view) where 'mowed down' during the action sequences. Right before they cut back to the battle between Forge and Ripa Moramee you can clearly see atleast another half a dozen Sangheili popping up ready to storm the three SPARTAN-IIs. Not even to mention what happened during the interval where we cut to the Arbiter and Forge. I'd say there were around 20 to 25 Sangheili killed as if they were Unggoy cannonfodder. In writing, we'd call that a 'Mary Sue'

Shikoku16:

You should ask yourself why I wrote that in reply to what has been said before because you're merely repeating them. As I stated previously; There is NO way if a SPARTAN-II could basically barely lay his hand on someone's shoulder without causing a minor injury, whilst one of the biggest and physically most imposing Sangheili we have seen in canon could just punch a human being right in the gutter without any noticeable damage. I'm not saying he wasn't toying around, just that it is incorrect.

I believe that the Sangheili know their own strength. Otherwise, Zuka would've taken off Keyes' face when he backhanded him (or at least impaired his ability to speak). It also says nothing of what the Arbiter's headbutt should've done to Johnson.

Shikoku16:

 I doubt it was with ease. If you did read the book Halo: The Flood then you would notice that in the majority of his fights he either was at an extreme distance from any Sangheili or just didnt face any at all. There were relatively few instances where he actually fought them one on one or at worse odds. When he did it took several grenades and possably a clip or two from his assault rifle to finish one off . Which ofcourse says nothing about the physical strength about the Sangheili, which really does matter in this case. They were very difficult opponents for him. However due to the zealot nature of the Sangheili their blood rages would get the better of them and enable Spartan-117 to finish them off.

At other times during that particular campaign he was assisted by several UNSC Marines who were able to add their firepower to his. This enabled them to quickly take down Sangheili that barred their way.

So no it didnt vary much at all. It only feels that way as the vast majority of the Sangheili he did face in one on one combat were minor Sangheili who bairly rated the honor of being the the Covenant military. In none of the novels the Master Chief 'mowed' them down by the dozen with the relative easy you claim.

There were many instances in the second novel where Deitz chose to sum up the Chief's battles in a matter of sentences (because did we really need a play-by-play of a game we've already played?), in which he usually just mentions Master Chief taking Covenant forces (including Elites) down "one by one" and, moments after landing on Halo, take on four Elites (with Grunt support) by himself, mostly because they were "reckless" and acted like "agressive rookies".

Also, while their strength should not be taken into account, the Master Chief goes through plenty of Elites within the actual Halo games, particularly Halo 2. 

 

Shikoku16:

Yet, a fact is that SPARTAN-IIs didn't have shielding in 2531 either (Another debate point, let's leave it out).

Actually, since it's been brought up, I'll go ahead and say it. Why the hell do they have shields in this game? Couldn't it have been called "stamina" or, like Ensemble assured us, "Armor"? 

Come to think of it, this site also says that Spartans are armed with MA series assault rifles in this game.

Shikoku16:

That means even a lucky hit would penetrate through the MJOLNIR armor and morbidly injure a SPARTAN-II. Ofcourse, for cool cutscene reasons, the SPARTAN-IIs stand,dodge and kill like they're hunting down a pack of cowardly unggoy. If we wouldn't know they had them from gameplay, we wouldn't have noticed it because of their 'Can't touch touch duh duh duh doh, duh doh' portrayal in the cutscenes.

What were they going to hit them with? All they had were staffs and it's debatable that they really knew how to use them. Ranged weapons are always preferable to melee weapons, especially when the enemy you're fighting has a far better reaction time.

Shikoku16:

A likely reason for the  Honor Gaurd being unequipped is the fact that in that particular period of the war a 'Honor Gaurd' was merely a ceremonial position. Uprisings within the Covenant were purged before it could even get close to the higher prophets, and no humans had ever been so close to prophets before. It was most likely a position gained by status and through clan loyalty, rather than a real fighting force. (Think the Swiss guard, at the Vatican)

 To be fair, I doubt they were Honor Guards (or Honor Guards in training if they must be). Also, the humans weren't really close to the Prophet. He wasn't at the Apex Site when they got there.

Shikoku16:

btw, what do you mean by, they didn't take their staffs with them? They're clearly using them in combat.

I'm referring to this discrepancy:

 The Elites in question are pictured here: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/thumb/2/26/HW6.png/800px-HW6.png

Blue armor, no decoration.

Compare to the true Honor Guard: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/thumb/a/af/Brutesarbiter.jpg/800px-Brutesarbiter.jpg

or, since we're talking about the Halo Wars' cutscenes: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/2/2f/HW3.jpg

... where they are less ornate but still definitely red. If these were meant to be the same Elites, why change the color? Come to think of it, outside of an odd picture on the Halo 2 Special Edition disc, a glitched Zealot in Halo 2, and Halo Wars' multiplayer, when has an Honor Guard Elite ever been seen wearing anything but red? I figure the real Honor Guard left with Regret. Those schmucks were, at best, the back-up Honor Guard. Considering they fought like reckless, agressive rookies, I'm inclined to believe that they were reckless, agressive rookies.

I believe that the Sangheili know their own strength. Otherwise, Zuka would've taken off Keyes' face when he backhanded him (or at least impaired his ability to speak). It also says nothing of what the Arbiter's headbutt should've done to Johnson.

 I do not recall the moment between Zuka and Keyes, ít's been three years since i've not read The Flood in three years. As for Johnson, it knocked him out cold. That's a helluva lot more than a punch which Ripa Moramee's mass was put behind, the way he punched him and how Forge reacted there is no way he could continue without a scratch. But we clearly have a different opinion on this one.

There were many instances in the second novel where Deitz chose to sum up the Chief's battles in a matter of sentences (because did we really need a play-by-play of a game we've already played?), in which he usually just mentions Master Chief taking Covenant forces (including Elites) down "one by one" and, moments after landing on Halo, take on four Elites (with Grunt support) by himself, mostly because they were "reckless" and acted like "agressive rookies".

Also, while their strength should not be taken into account, the Master Chief goes through plenty of Elites within the actual Halo games, particularly Halo 2. 

Very true, yet I don't see how that would matter at all really. As we don't know how he took out those Sangheili nor their rank we can't judge on those battles. The point was that Master Chief 'mowed down' the' Sangheili in a different less 'GOWIN IN EASY SPAWTAN STIYL!' way but rather by outsmarting the zealous low-ranking Sangheili.

I even took the *** novel as an example as the games are really no proper reference point at all. They didn't make the game to be legendary on easy and double mythic on legendary. Just to be a fun shooter, there is no way they could passed off Halo as a bestseller if the Sangheili were at least equaled to the SPARTAN-IIs in means of strength and endurance.  (That's just how it works)

 

What were they going to hit them with? All they had were staffs and it's debatable that they really knew how to use them. Ranged weapons are always preferable to melee weapons, especially when the enemy you're fighting has a far better reaction time.

 Come on dude, it's a *** javelin. The SPARTAN-IIs hadn't ever seen these weapons before and had only heard about them in Deja's history class about the mediaval times decades ago and they managed to kill numberous Sangheili with their very own weapons. One Sangheili throwing at a SPARTAN-II in combat with another Sangheili was all it took, but that didn't happen. Only because Ensemble decided to make a 'cool' cutscene for the thirteen year olds letting them see SPAWTANS KIWK UP E1337S C00WL! regardless of any canon.  

 

  To be fair, I doubt they were Honor Guards (or Honor Guards in training if they must be). Also, the humans weren't really close to the Prophet. He wasn't at the Apex Site when they got there.

How about the *** weapons name, Honor Guard Pike? The weapons are confirmed only to be usen by Honor Guards and Light of Sangheilios, and believe me if they are the latter that wouldn't have made it any better. Also, the only personal guard of the Prophet are the Honor guards. The point of Regret not litterally being really close to the Humans is another rather useless point. It was about the relative distance, Humans had never been so close to the Prophet and that was also the only reason those Honor Guards where present there.

 

As for the armor... The only real reason I can come up with, considering Ensemble's rather low believe in canonity and more in 'COOWLNESS'.  That it would look cooler and smoother in a battle-sequence than the bright red armor.

And yes, I felt like throwing those three 'fuckings' in there, lol.

 

 

 

After playing the game for quite a long time I can say that I would have bought it. If i didn't get it for free from a friend as a late birthday present. Sure it isn't perfect when it comes to canon but It comes close enough being that it is made by a different company. The game play wasn't extremely deep but it kept me interested and I had fun playing by myself and with friends. I love the halo universe so seeing a game from radically different perspective was nice. It also is keeping me busy waiting for Halo: Reach. ( I'm not going to buy ODST because it's an expansion and full price IMO so ill just rent and play the hell out of it)

garland21:After playing the game for quite a long time I can say that I would have bought it. If i didn't get it for free from a friend as a late birthday present. Sure it isn't perfect when it comes to canon but It comes close enough being that it is made by a different company. The game play wasn't extremely deep but it kept me interested and I had fun playing by myself and with friends. I love the halo universe so seeing a game from radically different perspective was nice. It also is keeping me busy waiting for Halo: Reach. ( I'm not going to buy ODST because it's an expansion and full price IMO so ill just rent and play the hell out of it)

 

It's not full priced, you can find it for 40 dollars in a lot of places :/

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Anguished Proph:

Spartan R41:

Imbrium:I was pretty disapointed by the Spartans vs. Elites/Forge vs. Arbiter cutscene. It was just wasn't realistic at all. Arbiter would WTFPWN Forge in hand to hand any day, in the books just 1 Minor Elite(Blue) equals a Spartan in strength and speed and the Arbiter is massive for an Elite. So how did Forge win so easily?

The battle was completely realistic for Spartans; if anything it was too easy for them. As for Forge beating the Arbiter, Ripa was horrendously arrogant, and was basically toying with Forge. That's why Forge won.

 

And for anyone who thinks the storyline was horrendous; it was 10 times better than Halo: The Cole Protocol. 

bah, an elite and a spartan is an equal fight. don't glamor them up. ensemble made the elites look like idiots, they would never fight like that, no matter how zealous they are.

even if the arbiter was arrogant, one punch should have been enough to crack open forges skull, he is a human after all. 

I know, an elite would be much more powerful in battle than in halo wars. Especially all those elite where Honor Guards, One of the strongest elites, the could beat the spartans with one hand. And forge is just a whimp, having to use a cheap death wish just to beat Arbiter and Arbiter respecting his wish and giving him it gets betrayed by forge, what a pig!

lol

That's one way to look at it.

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well by the time halo wars 2 comes out. they might set the game in a different time. so forge would of died naturally anyway