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  •  09-03-2010, 9:49 PM 930493 in reply to 930487

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Jason X35:
    Veraam:

    Now, if EVERY whale in the world can get a fill of 3-5 million tons of krill a day, then how much d*mn krill IS there in the ocean??? Entire MILES of ocean are turned blood-red with the krill each day, just to get mopped up by whales the same day.
    So tell me: If whales go extinct, then what's going to stop krill from turning our blue planet red?
    Imagine an Earth where what was once blue ocean is now red, the top covered in krill...

    Again...kinda over-reacting and not thinking the argument through very well. Krill is a small creature that is basically a tiny shrimp. Whales aren't the only thing that eat them. Penguins, squid, seals, fish, and other marine animals eat them as well. But let's assume for a second that only whales eat them. What would happen, you might ask? Will the oceans of the world turn red? Nope.

    Their population is dependent upon micro-organisms called phyto- and zoo-plankton. The phyto-plankton rely on sunlight for energy, and the zoo-plankton feed off of them. If the krill population grew "uncontrollably", as you proposed, then it would reach a point when its population would no longer be sustained by these food sources. Thus, the population would drop until it reached a stable equilibrium position. This doesn't even account for the percentage of surface required for the phyto-plankton to inhabit in order to absorb enough sunlight to survive. That is to say, even if you maxed out the number of krill on the assumed number of phyto-planton right now, the population would still be unstable because some of the krill would kill the phyto-plankton by blocking their source of nutrients.

    Let's not even get in to how only a certain number of organisms could be sustained by the oxygen dissolved in the oceans as well and how the color of the ocean is based upon the molecular make-up of water, not the organisms living in it...

    1)"FLESH EATING KRILL!" ...no comment,

    2) my piss is yellow. mix food coloring with water and it changes color. WTF I CAN CHANGE THE COLOR OF WATER?


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  •  09-03-2010, 9:50 PM 930494 in reply to 930484

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    AC Matt Klassen:
    Jason X35:
    Veraam:

    A single whale eats around 3,000,000 TONS of krill a day. EVERY SINGLE WHALE.

    WHAT?!?!?!?!

    Umm...somebody is just rage posting because there's no way that figure is correct. Just stop for a second and think about how much of anything that would be. That's a lot. As my professors would say "That just doesn't make any sense".

    After a quick google search I found that Blue Whales eat 8,000 pounds of krill each day. That's only 4 tons (2,000 pounds to the ton), not 3 million. HUGE difference.

    have you ever heard of hyperbole?

    still wouldn't take long before the Navy can actually spend their time actually DOING SOMETHING/all oceans are infested by krill

    Indeed I have, but:

    a.) That's a HUGE hyperbole.

    b.) It doesn't belong here.

    Just trying to point out that when you're trying to convince someone that you're correct and you post information that blatantly incorrect it makes it harder for people to believe in what you're saying. That is to say, if you back a controversial topic and are doing well convincing people of how your cause is just...and then you make up something, people will begin to question if other things you've said are made up too. And are you certain it's a hyperbole? If you read how he uses it further in the post it sounds as though it's considered a genuine fact. It's awfully hard to tell sarcasm in discussions like these (and therefore it should not be used).

  •  09-03-2010, 9:53 PM 930496 in reply to 930487

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Jason X35:
    Veraam:

    Now, if EVERY whale in the world can get a fill of 3-5 million tons of krill a day, then how much d*mn krill IS there in the ocean??? Entire MILES of ocean are turned blood-red with the krill each day, just to get mopped up by whales the same day.
    So tell me: If whales go extinct, then what's going to stop krill from turning our blue planet red?
    Imagine an Earth where what was once blue ocean is now red, the top covered in krill...

    Again...kinda over-reacting and not thinking the argument through very well. Krill is a small creature that is basically a tiny shrimp. Whales aren't the only thing that eat them. Penguins, squid, seals, fish, and other marine animals eat them as well. But let's assume for a second that only whales eat them. What would happen, you might ask? Will the oceans of the world turn red? Nope.

    Their population is dependent upon micro-organisms called phyto- and zoo-plankton. The phyto-plankton rely on sunlight for energy, and the zoo-plankton feed off of them. If the krill population grew "uncontrollably", as you proposed, then it would reach a point when its population would no longer be sustained by these food sources. Thus, the population would drop until it reached a stable equilibrium position. This doesn't even account for the percentage of surface required for the phyto-plankton to inhabit in order to absorb enough sunlight to survive. That is to say, even if you maxed out the number of krill on the assumed number of phyto-planton right now, the population would still be unstable because some of the krill would kill the phyto-plankton by blocking their source of nutrients.

    Let's not even get in to how only a certain number of organisms could be sustained by the oxygen dissolved in the oceans as well and how the color of the ocean is based upon the molecular make-up of water, not the organisms living in it...

     

    wait I thought the ocean was blue because it reflected the bending light of the sun in the sky? thats why most water in side is clear not blue 

     

    Edit: Kinda pointless and off topic I know but I am wondering 

  •  09-03-2010, 9:56 PM 930499 in reply to 930493

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    AC Matt Klassen:
    Jason X35:
    Veraam:

    Now, if EVERY whale in the world can get a fill of 3-5 million tons of krill a day, then how much d*mn krill IS there in the ocean??? Entire MILES of ocean are turned blood-red with the krill each day, just to get mopped up by whales the same day.
    So tell me: If whales go extinct, then what's going to stop krill from turning our blue planet red?
    Imagine an Earth where what was once blue ocean is now red, the top covered in krill...

    Again...kinda over-reacting and not thinking the argument through very well. Krill is a small creature that is basically a tiny shrimp. Whales aren't the only thing that eat them. Penguins, squid, seals, fish, and other marine animals eat them as well. But let's assume for a second that only whales eat them. What would happen, you might ask? Will the oceans of the world turn red? Nope.

    Their population is dependent upon micro-organisms called phyto- and zoo-plankton. The phyto-plankton rely on sunlight for energy, and the zoo-plankton feed off of them. If the krill population grew "uncontrollably", as you proposed, then it would reach a point when its population would no longer be sustained by these food sources. Thus, the population would drop until it reached a stable equilibrium position. This doesn't even account for the percentage of surface required for the phyto-plankton to inhabit in order to absorb enough sunlight to survive. That is to say, even if you maxed out the number of krill on the assumed number of phyto-planton right now, the population would still be unstable because some of the krill would kill the phyto-plankton by blocking their source of nutrients.

    Let's not even get in to how only a certain number of organisms could be sustained by the oxygen dissolved in the oceans as well and how the color of the ocean is based upon the molecular make-up of water, not the organisms living in it...

    1)"FLESH EATING KRILL!" ...no comment,

    2) my piss is yellow. mix food coloring with water and it changes color. WTF I CAN CHANGE THE COLOR OF WATER?

    1.)...I'm assuming this is a reference to some bad 60's movie I've never seen beacause that phrase wasn't in my post...

    2.) It's all about the particles suspended in the water. You're using a small sample of water and a relatively large amount of particles. When suspended in the water, the electrons of the particles (once excited by photons) release spectral energy in the form of visible light that's unique to every particle...and is in fact how we determine the composition of both planets like Jupiter and other stars in space. Krill, however, live in the thin habitable region of the ocean near the surface. Since it makes up a very small percentage of the body of water, an increased presence wouldn't make a significant difference (again, the exact number of krill per volume of water is limited by many factors). It's much more like dropping one drip of food coloring into a full bathtub than it is in a cup.

  •  09-03-2010, 9:57 PM 930501 in reply to 930494

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Jason X35:
    AC Matt Klassen:
    Jason X35:
    Veraam:

    A single whale eats around 3,000,000 TONS of krill a day. EVERY SINGLE WHALE.

    WHAT?!?!?!?!

    Umm...somebody is just rage posting because there's no way that figure is correct. Just stop for a second and think about how much of anything that would be. That's a lot. As my professors would say "That just doesn't make any sense".

    After a quick google search I found that Blue Whales eat 8,000 pounds of krill each day. That's only 4 tons (2,000 pounds to the ton), not 3 million. HUGE difference.

    have you ever heard of hyperbole?

    still wouldn't take long before the Navy can actually spend their time actually DOING SOMETHING/all oceans are infested by krill

    Indeed I have, but:

    a.) That's a HUGE hyperbole.

    b.) It doesn't belong here.

    Just trying to point out that when you're trying to convince someone that you're correct and you post information that blatantly incorrect it makes it harder for people to believe in what you're saying. That is to say, if you back a controversial topic and are doing well convincing people of how your cause is just...and then you make up something, people will begin to question if other things you've said are made up too. And are you certain it's a hyperbole? If you read how he uses it further in the post it sounds as though it's considered a genuine fact. It's awfully hard to tell sarcasm in discussions like these (and therefore it should not be used).

    wow. sorry. I'm a bit overtired. WAY too much Red Bull and the #$^%^&*$&^*())(&^%$#@@#@!!@##@ ARCUS JUST WOULDN'T @$%^&%@&%^#!%$#^$%@^%$&*^&%^*&(^&*&*^^&$@%#$@! DIE...

    ANYWAY I have now fully completed TT [wat a $#!t game Halo Wars is(WAS) better] and can now start playing my XBOX again...

    11 more days till HReach comes out...2 more days till school starts WTF I HATE THE SCHOOL BOARD THEY BUMPED UP THE DATE A WEEK EARLIER GGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


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  •  09-03-2010, 9:58 PM 930502 in reply to 930496

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Look, I mispoke- BADLY, I admit- about the krill thing, but my objection still stands:

    Whales are intelligent. They lament, they feel agony, they even seem to love.

    They are endangered, cows / chickens / farm-food animals are NOT.

    I just don't want to see them die out...I know I sounded aggressive before, but I really have no hatred against Japan, it's just the WHALES...

     


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  •  09-03-2010, 9:59 PM 930503 in reply to 930499

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Jason X35:
    AC Matt Klassen:
    Jason X35:
    Veraam:

    Now, if EVERY whale in the world can get a fill of 3-5 million tons of krill a day, then how much d*mn krill IS there in the ocean??? Entire MILES of ocean are turned blood-red with the krill each day, just to get mopped up by whales the same day.
    So tell me: If whales go extinct, then what's going to stop krill from turning our blue planet red?
    Imagine an Earth where what was once blue ocean is now red, the top covered in krill...

    Again...kinda over-reacting and not thinking the argument through very well. Krill is a small creature that is basically a tiny shrimp. Whales aren't the only thing that eat them. Penguins, squid, seals, fish, and other marine animals eat them as well. But let's assume for a second that only whales eat them. What would happen, you might ask? Will the oceans of the world turn red? Nope.

    Their population is dependent upon micro-organisms called phyto- and zoo-plankton. The phyto-plankton rely on sunlight for energy, and the zoo-plankton feed off of them. If the krill population grew "uncontrollably", as you proposed, then it would reach a point when its population would no longer be sustained by these food sources. Thus, the population would drop until it reached a stable equilibrium position. This doesn't even account for the percentage of surface required for the phyto-plankton to inhabit in order to absorb enough sunlight to survive. That is to say, even if you maxed out the number of krill on the assumed number of phyto-planton right now, the population would still be unstable because some of the krill would kill the phyto-plankton by blocking their source of nutrients.

    Let's not even get in to how only a certain number of organisms could be sustained by the oxygen dissolved in the oceans as well and how the color of the ocean is based upon the molecular make-up of water, not the organisms living in it...

    1)"FLESH EATING KRILL!" ...no comment,

    2) my piss is yellow. mix food coloring with water and it changes color. WTF I CAN CHANGE THE COLOR OF WATER?

    1.)...I'm assuming this is a reference to some bad 60's movie I've never seen beacause that phrase wasn't in my post...

    2.) It's all about the particles suspended in the water. You're using a small sample of water and a relatively large amount of particles. When suspended in the water, the electrons of the particles (once excited by photons) release spectral energy in the form of visible light that's unique to every particle...and is in fact how we determine the composition of both planets like Jupiter and other stars in space. Krill, however, live in the thin habitable region of the ocean near the surface. Since it makes up a very small percentage of the body of water, an increased presence wouldn't make a significant difference (again, the exact number of krill per volume of water is limited by many factors). It's much more like dropping one drip of food coloring into a full bathtub than it is in a cup.

    disregard the previous statements relating to this post. Overtired. Don't want to go off topic.


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  •  09-03-2010, 10:11 PM 930513 in reply to 930496

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    fiery grave:
    Jason X35:
    Veraam:

    Now, if EVERY whale in the world can get a fill of 3-5 million tons of krill a day, then how much d*mn krill IS there in the ocean??? Entire MILES of ocean are turned blood-red with the krill each day, just to get mopped up by whales the same day.
    So tell me: If whales go extinct, then what's going to stop krill from turning our blue planet red?
    Imagine an Earth where what was once blue ocean is now red, the top covered in krill...

    Again...kinda over-reacting and not thinking the argument through very well. Krill is a small creature that is basically a tiny shrimp. Whales aren't the only thing that eat them. Penguins, squid, seals, fish, and other marine animals eat them as well. But let's assume for a second that only whales eat them. What would happen, you might ask? Will the oceans of the world turn red? Nope.

    Their population is dependent upon micro-organisms called phyto- and zoo-plankton. The phyto-plankton rely on sunlight for energy, and the zoo-plankton feed off of them. If the krill population grew "uncontrollably", as you proposed, then it would reach a point when its population would no longer be sustained by these food sources. Thus, the population would drop until it reached a stable equilibrium position. This doesn't even account for the percentage of surface required for the phyto-plankton to inhabit in order to absorb enough sunlight to survive. That is to say, even if you maxed out the number of krill on the assumed number of phyto-planton right now, the population would still be unstable because some of the krill would kill the phyto-plankton by blocking their source of nutrients.

    Let's not even get in to how only a certain number of organisms could be sustained by the oxygen dissolved in the oceans as well and how the color of the ocean is based upon the molecular make-up of water, not the organisms living in it...

     

    wait I thought the ocean was blue because it reflected the bending light of the sun in the sky? thats why most water in side is clear not blue 

     

    Edit: Kinda pointless and off topic I know but I am wondering 

    Nah, that's all right. It's actually some simple quantum physics (not joking). As you may know, the atom is constructed by *three main components: the neutrons and protons in the nucleus of the atom, and the electrons orbiting the nucleus. 

    The orbits of the electrons aren't random. Given the chance, the electrons will orbit closest to the nucleus, and this position is known as their "ground state". The electrons themselves are moving at very fast speeds, and this, combined with their near-zero mass, allows them to actually behave like waves. Because of this, they are restricted to specific regions where they can generally be found orbiting the nucleus. When photons (light) interact with the electrons, it "excites" (or gives energy to) them, and as a result them move up to their next energy level. When these electrons get "tired" they release the energy and move back to their ground state.

    Now, because the electrons act like waves when orbiting the nucleus, they require certain thresholds of energy from the photons. That is to say, they can't receive half of the energy to make it to an energy level and then stop there, they need all of it to move or they just stay put. This quantative interaction of mass and matter is what gives us the term "quantum" in quantum physics. Similarly, when the electrons drop down to their ground state they release a specific amount of energy in the form of photons that are different from the ones they absorbed. 

    Because each molecule, atom, or other structure is different from one another, the way electrons orbit the structures are different too. Thus, the energy emitted by different substances is different, so the visible color is different. That's why things are the color they are. In the case of water, the color is blue, but there's one catch-22. The molecules of water are lose (more so than some other fluids), so they allow a lot of light to pass through. This is why a small sample of water is clear, but the larger the sample, the bluer the color.

    If you're having a hard time understanding this, think of fire. The hotter it burns (i.e. the more energy levels that the electrons in the air move up) the different the color.

    *Note: The atom is composed of other structures as well but for simplicity we're just talking about the common three.

  •  09-03-2010, 10:14 PM 930516 in reply to 930502

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Veraam:

    Look, I mispoke- BADLY, I admit- about the krill thing, but my objection still stands:

    Whales are intelligent. They lament, they feel agony, they even seem to love.

    They are endangered, cows / chickens / farm-food animals are NOT.

    I just don't want to see them die out...I know I sounded aggressive before, but I really have no hatred against Japan, it's just the WHALES...

     

    That's all right. I just wanted to make sure you noticed before some idiot called you out on it to try and skew your words. When in doubt, just stick with the arguments you know best. Got me through college english. :)

  •  09-03-2010, 10:18 PM 930522 in reply to 930493

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    japs are cool.


    I'm Terri-Trash at best :(
  •  09-03-2010, 10:21 PM 930524 in reply to 930522

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    l Slayer l:

    japs are cool.

    Pearl Harbor wasn't.

    Nanking definitely wasn't.

    ...

    The Wii sure as fucking hell wasn't.


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  •  09-03-2010, 10:23 PM 930528 in reply to 930524

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    AC Matt Klassen:
    l Slayer l:

    japs are cool.

    Pearl Harbor wasn't.

    Nanking definitely wasn't.

    ...

    The Wii sure as fucking hell wasn't.

    inokashira56. and JS Mafty account for 99% of the population of 'cool' japs, therefore, japs are cool.
    I'm Terri-Trash at best :(
  •  09-03-2010, 10:27 PM 930530 in reply to 930528

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    l Slayer l:
    AC Matt Klassen:
    l Slayer l:

    japs are cool.

    Pearl Harbor wasn't.

    Nanking definitely wasn't.

    ...

    The Wii sure as fucking hell wasn't.

    inokashira56. and JS Mafty account for 99% of the population of 'cool' japs, therefore, japs are cool.

    the rest are sheepfucking faggots. The two listed above me are cool.


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  •  09-03-2010, 10:27 PM 930531 in reply to 930502

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    Veraam:

    Look, I mispoke- BADLY, I admit- about the krill thing, but my objection still stands:

    Whales are intelligent. They lament, they feel agony, they even seem to love.

    They are endangered, cows / chickens / farm-food animals are NOT.

    I just don't want to see them die out...I know I sounded aggressive before, but I really have no hatred against Japan, it's just the WHALES...

     

    the only creature that can love besides a human is the dolphin... and even thats sketchy... love is just a chemical reaction in the brain.

    Beside most people have no problem with us allowing the most intelligent animal on earth  to die out... man.

     Japanese have been whaling since 12th century if they were going to go extinct  they would have. beside virtually nothing kills whales without whaling they would likely overpopulate  

    sad part is we need a world war to save civilized humanity... besides we could use the tech advancement. 

  •  09-03-2010, 10:29 PM 930533 in reply to 930531

    Re: ~ Whale Wars ~

    fiery grave:
    Veraam:

    Look, I mispoke- BADLY, I admit- about the krill thing, but my objection still stands:

    Whales are intelligent. They lament, they feel agony, they even seem to love.

    They are endangered, cows / chickens / farm-food animals are NOT.

    I just don't want to see them die out...I know I sounded aggressive before, but I really have no hatred against Japan, it's just the WHALES...

     

    the only creature that can love besides a human is the dolphin... and even thats sketchy... love is just a chemical reaction in the brain.

    Beside most people have no problem with us allowing the most intelligent animal on earth  to die out... man.

     Japanese have been whaling since 12th century if they were going to go extinct  they would have. beside virtually nothing kills whales without whaling they would likely overpopulate  

    sad part is we need a world war to save civilized humanity... besides we could use the tech advancement. 

    STFU GTFO NEWFAG.

    I'm a second account, first account got haxed by a player.

    D-C Sparta

     


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