Helo Legends, The Duel

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  •  11-22-2009, 3:03 PM 775271 in reply to 775263

    Re: Helo Legends, The Duel

    erickyboo:
    Wild Smurf 14:
    Veraam:
    Wild Smurf 14:
    Eternal Vigil:

    Truely awful. The crowning moment was when the Arbiter's chest shot blood out like Mt. Vesuivus.

    Personally, the part I hated the most was when he took on an entire army by himself... with swords. That was just really stupid. I don't care how bad of a shot you are, but if you have an automatic weapon like the Plasma Rifle and some crazed swordsman is charging at you, you will hit him and kill him. End of story.

    If you look carefully as he runs towards the army, he actually DOES get hit...but deflects the shots with the swords...  o_o

    Now he has a light saber?

    Plus I didn't even mention the part with the Ghosts and the Wraith. 

    You and vigil... just don't want legends anymore.. shoo shoo!

    He didn't deflect shots, he stopped them. He held the Arbiter rank... Even what those two, swords can take them on. It was like a painting coming to life. Do you guys ever go to a museum?

    I didn't want it from the beginning when they first announced it. And again just so you f*cktards get it through your thick skulls, I'm entitled to my opinion, and just because I disagree with you. doesn't mean I can't voice it.  I have as much of a right to say my mind than you do.

    He did, and it was very clearly shown. Yes, but this wasn't a museum piece, this was a short story, which was absoultely retarded. Yes I'm sure if it was a fable, like you claim they said 'And low and behold, the Arbiter was slashed in the chest, and his blood shot out of him like a geyser.


    Vigil will never be defeated.
  •  11-22-2009, 3:15 PM 775275 in reply to 775271

    Re: Helo Legends, The Duel

    Eternal Vigil:
    erickyboo:
    Wild Smurf 14:
    Veraam:
    Wild Smurf 14:
    Eternal Vigil:

    Truely awful. The crowning moment was when the Arbiter's chest shot blood out like Mt. Vesuivus.

    Personally, the part I hated the most was when he took on an entire army by himself... with swords. That was just really stupid. I don't care how bad of a shot you are, but if you have an automatic weapon like the Plasma Rifle and some crazed swordsman is charging at you, you will hit him and kill him. End of story.

    If you look carefully as he runs towards the army, he actually DOES get hit...but deflects the shots with the swords...  o_o

    Now he has a light saber?

    Plus I didn't even mention the part with the Ghosts and the Wraith. 

    You and vigil... just don't want legends anymore.. shoo shoo!

    He didn't deflect shots, he stopped them. He held the Arbiter rank... Even what those two, swords can take them on. It was like a painting coming to life. Do you guys ever go to a museum?

    I didn't want it from the beginning when they first announced it. And again just so you f*cktards get it through your thick skulls, I'm entitled to my opinion, and just because I disagree with you. doesn't mean I can't voice it.  I have as much of a right to say my mind than you do.

    He did, and it was very clearly shown. Yes, but this wasn't a museum piece, this was a short story, which was absoultely retarded. Yes I'm sure if it was a fable, like you claim they said 'And low and behold, the Arbiter was slashed in the chest, and his blood shot out of him like a geyser.

    Did you really need to cuss? I meant just don't watch legends anymore. Not want.

    You state your opinion like a fact, altought you did better this time in my opinion.

    The ''story, fable, legend'' made us understand how the arbiter rank was changed. It also showed us a bit of Sanghelios and how stuff works there.

    A+42=52

    C+42=52

    A=C

    A is not the same letter as C. But they mean the same thing.

     


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  •  11-22-2009, 3:27 PM 775287 in reply to 775275

    Re: Helo Legends, The Duel

    erickyboo:
    Eternal Vigil:
    erickyboo:
    Wild Smurf 14:
    Veraam:
    Wild Smurf 14:
    Eternal Vigil:

    Truely awful. The crowning moment was when the Arbiter's chest shot blood out like Mt. Vesuivus.

    Personally, the part I hated the most was when he took on an entire army by himself... with swords. That was just really stupid. I don't care how bad of a shot you are, but if you have an automatic weapon like the Plasma Rifle and some crazed swordsman is charging at you, you will hit him and kill him. End of story.

    If you look carefully as he runs towards the army, he actually DOES get hit...but deflects the shots with the swords...  o_o

    Now he has a light saber?

    Plus I didn't even mention the part with the Ghosts and the Wraith. 

    You and vigil... just don't want legends anymore.. shoo shoo!

    He didn't deflect shots, he stopped them. He held the Arbiter rank... Even what those two, swords can take them on. It was like a painting coming to life. Do you guys ever go to a museum?

    I didn't want it from the beginning when they first announced it. And again just so you f*cktards get it through your thick skulls, I'm entitled to my opinion, and just because I disagree with you. doesn't mean I can't voice it.  I have as much of a right to say my mind than you do.

    He did, and it was very clearly shown. Yes, but this wasn't a museum piece, this was a short story, which was absoultely retarded. Yes I'm sure if it was a fable, like you claim they said 'And low and behold, the Arbiter was slashed in the chest, and his blood shot out of him like a geyser.

    Did you really need to cuss? I meant just don't watch legends anymore. Not want.

    You state your opinion like a fact, altought you did better this time in my opinion.

    The ''story, fable, legend'' made us understand how the arbiter rank was changed. It also showed us a bit of Sanghelios and how stuff works there.

    A+42=52

    C+42=52

    A=C

    A is not the same letter as C. But they mean the same thing.

     

    Yes, but I'm tired of people with a negative view of certain Halo products to be dismissed as haters, and they should just STFU AND GTFO. That viewpoint is incredibley insulting and it makes me want to gouge out the tongue of the speaker.

    I never made such claim, you just made that assumption. I made my view on it, and I stick by them, if you don't like it and love this piece of crap, I won't stop it, enjoy it.

     I thought it was obvious, and it really doesn't make sense in regards what the title became.


    Vigil will never be defeated.
  •  11-22-2009, 3:28 PM 775288 in reply to 775287

    Re: Helo Legends, The Duel

    Eternal Vigil:
    erickyboo:
    Eternal Vigil:
    erickyboo:
    Wild Smurf 14:
    Veraam:
    Wild Smurf 14:
    Eternal Vigil:

    Truely awful. The crowning moment was when the Arbiter's chest shot blood out like Mt. Vesuivus.

    Personally, the part I hated the most was when he took on an entire army by himself... with swords. That was just really stupid. I don't care how bad of a shot you are, but if you have an automatic weapon like the Plasma Rifle and some crazed swordsman is charging at you, you will hit him and kill him. End of story.

    If you look carefully as he runs towards the army, he actually DOES get hit...but deflects the shots with the swords...  o_o

    Now he has a light saber?

    Plus I didn't even mention the part with the Ghosts and the Wraith. 

    You and vigil... just don't want legends anymore.. shoo shoo!

    He didn't deflect shots, he stopped them. He held the Arbiter rank... Even what those two, swords can take them on. It was like a painting coming to life. Do you guys ever go to a museum?

    I didn't want it from the beginning when they first announced it. And again just so you f*cktards get it through your thick skulls, I'm entitled to my opinion, and just because I disagree with you. doesn't mean I can't voice it.  I have as much of a right to say my mind than you do.

    He did, and it was very clearly shown. Yes, but this wasn't a museum piece, this was a short story, which was absoultely retarded. Yes I'm sure if it was a fable, like you claim they said 'And low and behold, the Arbiter was slashed in the chest, and his blood shot out of him like a geyser.

    Did you really need to cuss? I meant just don't watch legends anymore. Not want.

    You state your opinion like a fact, altought you did better this time in my opinion.

    The ''story, fable, legend'' made us understand how the arbiter rank was changed. It also showed us a bit of Sanghelios and how stuff works there.

    A+42=52

    C+42=52

    A=C

    A is not the same letter as C. But they mean the same thing.

     

    Yes, but I'm tired of people with a negative view of certain Halo products to be dismissed as haters, and they should just STFU AND GTFO. That viewpoint is incredibley insulting and it makes me want to gouge out the tongue of the speaker.

    I never made such claim, you just made that assumption. I made my view on it, and I stick by them, if you don't like it and love this piece of crap, I won't stop it, enjoy it.

     I thought it was obvious, and it really doesn't make sense in regards what the title became.

    I believe this is truly pointless and that we both should stop.


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  •  11-22-2009, 3:35 PM 775294 in reply to 775288

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    True. You obviously love the episode and I hate it.
    Vigil will never be defeated.
  •  11-22-2009, 3:38 PM 775298 in reply to 775294

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    Eternal Vigil:True. You obviously love the episode and I hate it.

    Then we agree.

    "HE'S A DEMON" [Slash]


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  •  11-22-2009, 4:49 PM 775322 in reply to 775298

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    For those who absolutely hated the appearance of the Female Sangheili, I have this: http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk315/specter_wulf/FemaleSangheili.jpg

     I know it's not perfect, but it's my adaptation. The original is more reptilian, while the variant on the far right is more "mammalian." Left is a detail of the face and "hair." 

    A colored version will be put up soon.


    Current Fan Fictions in the Library:

    ODST: Hellbound

    The Interrogation of Ellen Anders

    Halo: Archangel
  •  11-23-2009, 1:49 AM 775617 in reply to 775322

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    Well it wouldn't be so bad if there was an element of realism in it. Also it wouldn't be so bad if they could actually draw
    The solution to racism in America is to turn Ronald McDonald black. - Rapheal D. Mendoza (Tervalent Frog)
    Halo Legends is a disgrace to the Halo Universe.
  •  11-23-2009, 9:03 AM 775674 in reply to 775617

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    First off, while I wasn't awed by it that much, there's not going to be an element of "realism," because it's Anime. Secondly, they CAN draw; it obviously didn't look like absolute crap (i.e. drawn by a toddler.) It's fine to not like it, or even to hate it, but criticizing it on those elements is a bit childish, I feel.

    EDIT: For those interested, my female Sangheili with color: http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk315/specter_wulf/FemaleSangheili-1.jpg


    Current Fan Fictions in the Library:

    ODST: Hellbound

    The Interrogation of Ellen Anders

    Halo: Archangel
  •  11-23-2009, 2:51 PM 775821 in reply to 775674

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    Spartan R41:

    First off, while I wasn't awed by it that much, there's not going to be an element of "realism," because it's Anime. Secondly, they CAN draw; it obviously didn't look like absolute crap (i.e. drawn by a toddler.) It's fine to not like it, or even to hate it, but criticizing it on those elements is a bit childish, I feel.

    EDIT: For those interested, my female Sangheili with color: http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk315/specter_wulf/FemaleSangheili-1.jpg

    Nice drawing! I do agree with your points..


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  •  11-24-2009, 1:48 AM 776231 in reply to 775674

    Re: Helo Legends, The Duel

    Spartan R41:

    First off, while I wasn't awed by it that much, there's not going to be an element of "realism," because it's Anime.

    Well, I think I have seen a realistic anime somewhere, but I really do not like anime in general. And whats wrong with being realistic? Halo is very realistic for a Video Game IMO. So why shouldn't its Anime be?

     

    Spartan R41:

     Secondly, they CAN draw; it obviously didn't look like absolute crap (i.e. drawn by a toddler.) It's fine to not like it, or even to hate it, but criticizing it on those elements is a bit childish, I feel.

    I agree that it is a bit childish, but what I meant was to draw Halo the way Halo is meant to be. For example, in the first episode I thought that the ODSTs landed in Japan. I know it is their take on what Halo is, but you don't see Bungie designing the forerunner structures as if they were from New York city. Another thing, to me the materials that the forerunner structures are made of look like stone, while everywhere (games) else their made of some slick silvery material.

    Btw, I watched the first one a long time ago, so if they weren't forerunner buildings, feel free to correct me for sprouting so much BS.

    You could say that im just biased against Anime, which I am, but I strongly believe that 343 could have done (and do) a MUCH better job with the Legends series, it might even make me interested in Anime all together.

     


    The solution to racism in America is to turn Ronald McDonald black. - Rapheal D. Mendoza (Tervalent Frog)
    Halo Legends is a disgrace to the Halo Universe.
  •  11-24-2009, 1:02 PM 776296 in reply to 776231

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    The problem is that 343 are only publishing the Halo: Legends series. I do agree, the Japanese influence on many of the Halo aspects is annoying; especially with the Sangheili. But they can draw...

    Current Fan Fictions in the Library:

    ODST: Hellbound

    The Interrogation of Ellen Anders

    Halo: Archangel
  •  11-25-2009, 10:11 AM 776734 in reply to 776231

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    Toagus:

    I agree that it is a bit childish, but what I meant was to draw Halo the way Halo is meant to be. For example, in the first episode I thought that the ODSTs landed in Japan. I know it is their take on what Halo is, but you don't see Bungie designing the forerunner structures as if they were from New York city. Another thing, to me the materials that the forerunner structures are made of look like stone, while everywhere (games) else their made of some slick silvery material.

    Not true.  When you first play on Delta Halo, you're introduced to some very Native American styled structures that are obviously made of stone and are in a state of decay.  Assuming the Forerunner were singularly styled in architecture is a silly thing; you need only the New York/Japan comparison to realize otherwise.  Personally, for The Babysitter, I thought they could have deviated from the Japanese structure a bit more, as Delta Halo wasn't exactly Aztec/Inca, just had shades of it in style.  But I digress.  In my opinion, it fit much better in The Duel, because Elite society has always been heavily influenced by the ancient Japanese.

     

    As for my opinion on The Duel itself, I loved it.  There.  I know I'm going to be called a fanboy, having previously received an attempt at insulting my opinion from Eternal Vigil, through this quote:

    I never made such claim, you just made that assumption. I made my view on it, and I stick by them, if you don't like it and love this piece of crap, I won't stop it, enjoy it.

    Stating such things as fact when you so blatantly want your own entitlement to opinion is a fallacy.  But again, I digress.

     

    I enjoyed The Duel because it follows Elite culture the way I always imagined Elites.  From the first time you really gain a perspective on the from Halo: The Flood, they are almost instantaneously shown to be honor-bound and feudal.  Artistically speaking, I couldn't imagine a much better style to deviate from than that exact time period: our own feudal Japan.  While the pagodas feel somewhat out of place, the rest of the buildings, looking somewhat like Jabba's Palace from Return of the Jedi, are appropriately alien enough. 

     The piece opens with the Arbiter contemplating his fight ahead, sword in hands, while a boatman rows quietly toward an unknown destination.  Here we are given the first true glimpse at the art style rendered.  While odd at first, I've grown to really enjoy it.  It's best described as a CG watercolor, and I think it breathes a unique life onto the surface of Sanghelios.  We pass a short fight as he disembarks, and are introduced to the first female Elite shown in canon.  While one female Elite was mentioned on the Halo Wars website pre-launch, this is the first time we see a female in action.  They are smaller, with dreadlocks of flesh and have less pronounced heads and mandibles.  I personally think that this is a good way to depict female Elites.  We've never seen them in battle blatantly speaking, and it has been mentioned females are unfit for direct service.  For those who think the female Elites are too drastic a step from their male counterparts, I leave you with a basic evolutionary concept: sexual dimorphism.  Most extreme cases here on terra firma are even stranger than the difference between the Elites.  The angler fish, for instance:

    http://mail.colonial.net/~hkaiter/animalimages/anglerfish.jpg

     Is a female.  The male?  Oh, he's about a centimeter to an inch long, and lives a fairly basic life: attach to the female, parasitically live off of the female and provide her the necessary goods to continue about reproduction.  Pleasant, no?  A tiny bit of education can go a long way when it comes to "suspension of disbelief".

     Anyways, with a little bit of plot development, we realize that we are sometime within the Covenant Empire.  Later we will realize that it is post-2142, due to Grunts being present on the battlefield.  Fal 'Chavamee, our Arbiter, is disgruntled with the Great Journey and the Prophets.  Typically, political unrest in the Covenant is relegated to two circumstances: the Great Schism of 2552 (including the earlier Heretic faction led by Sesa 'Refumee) and the multiple Unggoy rebellions put down throughout the periods following their indoctrination.  To see unrest within the Elite society, so much earlier than we have known about before, truly puts a perspective on how shaky the Covenant has been.

     Later, we are greeted to a massive action seen that is in some, if not many cases, a tad ridiculous.  I realize that it's more designed as a visual treat however, and regard it as such.  The action moves swiftly and flashes to the fate of Han, Fal's wife, which cuts up the action nicely and adds an aura of tension.  While the Arbiter takes on tanks and Hunters of incredible size (again, I'm not really complaining on this point because Lekgolo worms have been easily modifiable in the past, from the Hunter to the Scarab).  The scene ends with the death of one of these giants and a silly little Grunt running away in terror.  Nice.  This little bit of humor reminds us of the date: Post 2142.

     Finally, we climb an ancient temple for the eponymous duel of the title.  The Prophet wishes to make the Arbiter title a Mark of Shame.  Haka, our steadfast loyalist and perhaps early Honor Guard, follows through, having slain both Han and Fal's advisor, much to his rage.  In the previous scene, an interesting tidbit of Elite societal practice emerges.  It seems, that in non-combat scenarios, Elites have their mandibles closed together.  When in a rage, or in battle, their mandibles come apart.  This I actually hope carries over into later depictions, as it is one of several Elite customs that have been sprinkled throughout the lore, such as a clicking of the mandibles being a shrug of sorts (Halo: The Flood).

     The Duel itself here lends to many samurai movies and stories of the past.  A single clash, with a prelude of long, tension inducing battle stares.  Japanese tradition continues with a showering of blood that some will find ridiculous, but considering that the Elites already take so much of Japanese society and incidentally, place much honor over blood (losing even a tiny amount is a grave dishonor, fitting to the role the Arbiter is about to fill), it works.  We realize soon thereafter that Haka was overconfident in his victory, being impaled by the Arbiter's own Energy Sword.  The two die at the top of the temple, while touchingly enough, Fal thinks of Han.

     I considered The Babysitter mediocre.  It wasn't bad, it wasn't good, it was just kind of there.  It served no purpose, but was not really insulting.  A 5/10 type of thing.  However, The Duel leaves a much more lasting mark on the canon, explaining why the role of Arbiter is so revered by Elites, while also explaining why the Prophets vexingly use it as a brand of shame, which both Ripa 'Moramee (Halo Wars) and Thel 'Vadam (Halo 2, Halo Graphic Novel: The Last Flight of the Infinite Succor, Halo 3, Halo: The Cole Protocol) would both follow suit in in their journeys. It was also more intimate and touching than The Babysitter and set a much higher level of tension of atmosphere.  I give it either at 8 or 9 out of 10.


    An Exigent Contact awaits you.

    Do not let him beyond your sight, for he is...strange. The ground he treads is sour...wrong.
  •  11-25-2009, 10:46 AM 776754 in reply to 776734

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    To be honest, the most comparable thing to Japan that I've seen in Sangheili culture is the honor, but that's in more places than Japan. I found them to be more similar to the Norse, or perhaps the Spartans. But I've never seen them as THAT Japanese.

    Current Fan Fictions in the Library:

    ODST: Hellbound

    The Interrogation of Ellen Anders

    Halo: Archangel
  •  11-25-2009, 11:24 AM 776764 in reply to 776754

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    Hardly Norse.  They're feudal, honor-bound to a T (even committing a form of seppuku to preserve honor) and their Japanese influence can be seen through their armor, even in the games.  Honor Guards are the most obvious, but Bungie has stated in their art books that even their most basic armors draw from samurai inspirations.  It's funny, because I never saw a Norse influence in them.  Spartan, yes, but not Norse.  If anything, the Brutes remind me heavily of the Norse.

    An Exigent Contact awaits you.

    Do not let him beyond your sight, for he is...strange. The ground he treads is sour...wrong.
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