who cares have you ever heard of gameplay

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spartanfirefly:yea so case closed unsc ships cant fly in atmosphere unless designed to do so. unless its like the moon or something thats a drama effect for the games like the ship in halo 3 on ark 

The moon?  The last time I checked, the moon wasn't a UNSC designed space craft...

still, it doesn't make sense...

stop saying "It's there, so accept it..."

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shepdog:who cares have you ever heard of gameplay

Have you ever heard of the laws of physics?  Or canon?  Or a storyline?

If you are here to just talk about gameplay, go to the MP section.  This is the halo-verse, where we talk about the halo-verse.  Don't like it?  Go away...

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naawww i never heard of gameplay lol yea or i wouldnt have a xbox

the moon as in a small thing orbiting a planet .those have weak gravity so it wouldnt crash a unsc ship

spartanfirefly:the moon as in a small thing orbiting a planet .those have weak gravity so it wouldnt crash a unsc ship

What?  I don't see your point here...

moons are different from planets, that's why it's called a moon and not a planet.

Anyway, UNSC ships aren't designed(I don't know how many times I can that) to fly in atmosphere, as they don't have anti-gravity.

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grr felix now your confusing me. i ment unsc ship cant go in a atmosphere with a stong gravity. a moon can hav a atmosphere but my point is a unsc ship can go in a atmosphere as long as the gravity isnt strong enough to ground or crash the ship

Felix:

Anyway, UNSC ships aren't designed(I don't know how many times I can that) to fly in atmosphere, as they don't have anti-gravity.

Halo 3 Marine conversation- The Ark:

"Is the Dawn rated for atmosphere?"

"I don't know, but we'll sure as hell find out."

This indicates that the UNSC has a rating system for whether a ship, Frigate, or Marathon Class Cruiser is able to survive and operate in a given planet's atmosphere. Even the Forward Unto Dawn was able to remain "airborn" in the Ark's atmosphere. To add onto this:

Cortana and Captain Jacob Keyes:

Cortana: "While you do what, go down with the ship?"

Captain Keyes: "In a manner of speaking. The object we found, I'm going to try and land the Autumn on it."

Keyes was known to have outlandish maneuvers that sometimes worked, but if he had intention to land on an object similar to Earth's atmosphere, then he would have had to know that it could be done. 

Now, on the point of the Spirit of Fire.

We all know that ships have artificial gravity, allowing the occupants to move naturally in a Zero-G environment. This is probably done magnetically for ships in the Halo Universe, 500 years from now. So, what if, on the considerably sizable belly of the Spirit, was a series of gigantic generators that produced a magnetic field opposite to that of the planet surface beneath them?

The UNSC has already mastered space travel, high levels of space maneuverability, space-to-planetside ship reentry (as seen with Pods Shortswords, Longswords, and Pelicans) and lightspeed travel. Don't tell me that stabalizing a magnetic field to allow a ship- even one as large as the Spirit- the ability to hover above land. The field could be strengthened or weakened to attain different levels of height, and would keep the Spirit (and any other UNSC ship) well susspended above the ground.

On a side note- just something that I've noticed- nobody complains and groans when Star Wars or Star Trek does something like this.  

 

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Oceanborn--I know it is 500 years into the future, but just think--humans are still using projectile weapons.  Only exception is the spartan laser, but we have lasers that can do that today.  What makes you think human technology advanced in any other regards?  They still want to build mini nuke reactors on their bases...which go boom in a bad way at the slightest damage.

the Oceanborn:

Raptor341:So we are down to magic then eh.  Sigh.  I can't think of anyway around it, she is just too large for thrusters.  Its to bad ES did not stick with realism on this one

Well then neither did Bungie.

The Forward Unto Dawn "hovers" on the Ark, as well as on the last level- hanging magically in place as it waits for you to ramp into it's hanger.

The In Amber Clad floats gently through Earth's atmosphere in New Mombasa, as well as hovering in place as the Pelicans are deployed in the beginning of the level.

There are some times where we have to just sit back and accept advance technology in video games and sci-fi stories. How is FTL possible? How can energy shielding be possible, especially dispersed over a suit of armor? How can Jackal shields retain a circular shape? How do Energy Swords stay in shape?

How do lightsabers know when to stop?

There are some things we cannot question. The Spirit of Fire hovering above ground is one of these. If you're willing to nit-pick the game this much, then perhaps you don't need to play the game.

Actually the halo books explain most of that stuff, and so does halo pedia 

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the Oceanborn:

Felix:

Anyway, UNSC ships aren't designed(I don't know how many times I can that) to fly in atmosphere, as they don't have anti-gravity.

Halo 3 Marine conversation- The Ark:

"Is the Dawn rated for atmosphere?"

"I don't know, but we'll sure as hell find out."

This indicates that the UNSC has a rating system for whether a ship, Frigate, or Marathon Class Cruiser is able to survive and operate in a given planet's atmosphere. Even the Forward Unto Dawn was able to remain "airborn" in the Ark's atmosphere. To add onto this:

Cortana and Captain Jacob Keyes:

Cortana: "While you do what, go down with the ship?"

Captain Keyes: "In a manner of speaking. The object we found, I'm going to try and land the Autumn on it."

Keyes was known to have outlandish maneuvers that sometimes worked, but if he had intention to land on an object similar to Earth's atmosphere, then he would have had to know that it could be done. 

Now, on the point of the Spirit of Fire.

We all know that ships have artificial gravity, allowing the occupants to move naturally in a Zero-G environment. This is probably done magnetically for ships in the Halo Universe, 500 years from now. So, what if, on the considerably sizable belly of the Spirit, was a series of gigantic generators that produced a magnetic field opposite to that of the planet surface beneath them?

The UNSC has already mastered space travel, high levels of space maneuverability, space-to-planetside ship reentry (as seen with Pods Shortswords, Longswords, and Pelicans) and lightspeed travel. Don't tell me that stabalizing a magnetic field to allow a ship- even one as large as the Spirit- the ability to hover above land. The field could be strengthened or weakened to attain different levels of height, and would keep the Spirit (and any other UNSC ship) well susspended above the ground.

On a side note- just something that I've noticed- nobody complains and groans when Star Wars or Star Trek does something like this.  

 

You make a VERY good point 

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"Tell me, boys and girls . . . How will you leave?"
and the ODST's roared in unison "WE GO FEET FIRST, SIR!"
"Now lets get to those drop pods. The Covenant is holding a picnic down on the surface and every single one of you is invited."

If I am correct, didn't the SoF have anti-gravity after it was refitted for Captain Keys to pilot? I know that it was part of the experiments that the spooks in ONI tested, like trying to get shield capabilities for marines.

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OmniscientFoe:

Oceanborn--I know it is 500 years into the future, but just think--humans are still using projectile weapons.  Only exception is the spartan laser, but we have lasers that can do that today.  What makes you think human technology advanced in any other regards?  They still want to build mini nuke reactors on their bases...which go boom in a bad way at the slightest damage.

Simple. The UNSC still uses gas-propelled, projectile weaponry to give the game a higher level of verisimilitude. Verisimilitude is the level in which a story, movie. or game can be believed. Halo isn't a Jestons' Future, there aren't floating buildings or laser weapons that are commonplace. Rather, the universe is one that when you look at it you (or at least I) think "Yeah, I can buy into this." It makes for that much more of a believable story.

Now, where humanity has progressed in the 500 years from now is the fact that they [we] colonized Mars- as well as other planets. They mastered space-travel, as well as Faster Than Light travel. This wasn't even developed until 2291. The vehicles are hinted at using hydrogen-based engines. Nuclear weapons that are considered "power weapons" today are now as common as grnades. Holographics are now comonplace, and AI are more advanced than ever. You can't tell me that humanity in the Halo Universe hasn't advanced any.

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The Interrogation of Ellen Anders

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Well it skipped my mind on the whole lightspeed thing because I was thinking of the star wars star trek comment you made.

I was just comparing the advances in technology to other games which have humans in the future, namely mass effect.  This game is set in the 2100s I believe, and In my mind it's a lot more plausible.   Mass effect, in the journals entries alone, had a lot more explanations as to how the humans managed to get all of their technology.  Plus, I prefer mass drivers to assault rifles :D Never run out of ammo, much more accurate and powerful.

 Ok, first of all let me say ive read all the books twice, and am currently reading them again. Second, i am on halopedia and they dont explain or support large human spacecraft flight in atmosphere.  The first book ( The Fall of Reach ) says that human ships use rotating sections to mimic gravity, like real life spacecraft designs.  I never remember anywhere in any of the Halo canon that says humans have any anti-grav tech at all.  Now about the POA in Halo CE, i think its either an oversite on Bungies part or was simply unable to be programed. ( i tried in my mod, didnt work well).  As for him "LANDING" in the ring world, by land i think he meant a controlled crash, which is exactly what happened.  Long story short, large spacecraft ( unless using anti-grav, which is only a theory ) cant fly in planets with atmospheres and large gravity wells ( which any planet or moon would have, unless very small ).  Its just physics.  The only thing that makes any kind of sence supporting the SoF flight in atmosphere was the very large magnetic field idea apon which i will do more reseach, but i do not understand how that really would work anywhere near the power level required to do that. 

My take on this as i said before was that this isnt canon per say, but is simply gameplay, but just because its gameplay doesnt mean it just is or is canon.  Here would we should be talking physics and canon only, gameplay has nothing to do with it.  And thank you whoever said that its odd there is a sun in the planet, i completely missed that the first time but unless it was very small would correctly burn up the SoF and most of what is inside the shield world.