newguy2445:

we're on a halo forum so of course your going to find people who don't know to much about star wars because it isn't a star wars forum

But they are trying to debate who would win, they should atleast know some basic information about the opposing side 

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Teck......

Could you relax a bit.

I'm enjoying this thread here, ok?

And watch the language.

kobun657:

Teck......

Could you relax a bit.

I'm enjoying this thread here, ok?

And watch the language.

...lla ta toN

.elpoep diputs etah I 

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...lla ta toN

.elpoep diputs etah I 

Dude...

This isn't rocket science here.

It's just supposed to be in fun.

I thinik you might be taking this a bit too seriously.

Besides, I'm getting a kick out of how narrowly focused some of the posts are. 

Later.

Stand-by for my opinion on who would actually come out on top, and why.

Teck:

According to the idea of the force, EVERYTHING LIVING HAS THE FORCE.

Is it too much to ask that people actually know what they're talking about nowadays...? It's fuckin sad

then tell me why no one in history has had those ' abilities '.

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It is a blurred line that lies at the edge of Godhood and Insanity. Guess which side of it I am on.

I've been thinking about this a lot.

Assuming some doofus actually flips the switch on the rings, that would mean that all organic life would be extinguished.

Aside from anybody on a shield world.

That would mean the only folks left would be:

Sky-Net's terminators, which are confined to only 1 planet and do not possess any space flight capabilities, Sky-Net wouldn't see any need to develop space travel as it only cares about Earth.

The Necrons, they're already dead.  But they do have star-ships, and some pretty big nasty ones at that (look into "Battlefleet Gothic", one of the specialty games set in the Warhammer 40K universe).  They can regenerate themselves, they're autonomous, they've got BIG ships, they can make reinforcements, there's a LOT of them to begin with, etc.

A few of the Eldar, specifically the Wraith-Lords and the Wraith-Guard.  But they can't pilot ships nor can they create reinforcements.  Plus, there aren't that many of them to begin with.  So, once they're all gone, they're gone.

Then, there's the droid armies from Star Wars.  They're not autonomous, they need a living controller to give them instructions, like a remote control toy.  So, nobody to give them instructions means they'll just stand there like a bunch of high tech garden gnomes until they erode/corrode/rust, or whatever, into dust. 

Now, how many troops and ships could you stash on a shield world, and how many shield worlds are there?

So, assuming the switch has been flipped, my bet is on the Necrons.

Sky-Net would never have chance, the Necrons could either just ignore Earth or turn it into dust from beyond the range of anything Sky-Net could shoot at it.

The Eldar wouldn't last very long either, Wraith-Lords and Wraith-Guard have got neither the range nor the firepower to even return fire on a Necron ship, even if that ship is in low-orbit.

As to the droid armies, the Necrons might use them as gigantic lawn-bowling sets, or just for target practice.

Now, how many troops and ships were on those shield worlds?

I highly doubt there were enough to take on the Necrons, and have a chance of winning, that is.

Even if the remnants of the Covenant and the human race joined forces, well, maybe they'd give the Necrons a good run for their money.

But I doubt they'd come out on top.

Unless, there were a LOT of shield worlds and they were very BIG and stuffed to the gills with troops and ships, but that would require several years of planning and prepositionning of personnel and materiel.

Meaning there wouldn't be enough "butts'n'bombs" to actually fight the war that's already going on between the Covenant and the humans.

I'm still workiing on my post about who'd win if the switch doesn't get flipped.

Later.

Hey Teck,

Didn't Yoda or Obi-Wan say soomething in one of the SW movies about the limitations of the Force?

You can't affect things that're too far away from you, or something like that.

So, if I'm out of range of the Force, say like in high-orbit above your planet, and I decide to turn your planet into dust, what could you actually do to me, with the Force?

If a Jedi, or a Sith, were on the surface of a planet being targetted by, say, the Death Star, that guy would be truly toasted, wouldn't you agree?

Now, how many Jedi and Sith are there?

And the SW universe has how many have ships that can be classified as "planet-killers"?

If I remember correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there only 1 Death Star?

Whereas the Covenant have fleets of "planet-killers".

As do nearly all of the races in Warhammer 40k.

So what if you can choke me to death if I'm in the same room, I'm not in the same room, I'm actually in orbit over your planet, and you are toast. 

Later.

Star Wars alot of weapons that are capable of destroying planets and even whole solar systems, here's a list:

Battlemoon

Centerpoint Station

Composite Beam Superlaser

Concave Dish Composite Beam Superlaser

Conductor tower

Dark Reaper

Darksaber

Death Star

Death Star I

Death Star II

Death Star prototype

Deep-Space Mobile Imperial Battle Station

Expeditionary Battle Planetoid

Eye of Palpatine

Force Harvester

Galaxy Gun

Gravitic Polarization Beam

Gravitic superweapon

Imperial Leviathan

Infant of Shaa

Infinity Gate

Interplanetary Ion Cannon

Ion Ring

Legacy of Torment

Leviathan (creature)

Mass Shadow Generator

Metal-Crystal Phase Shifter

Nocturnô

Nullifier-5

Omega Frost

Orbital Nightcloak

Planet Killer

Planetary repulsor

Prime Gate

Resonance Torpedo Launcher

Shawkenese universe destroyer

Silencer-7

Sky Cannon

Star Forge

Starkiller (superweapon)

Starlancer Project

Sun Crusher

Superlaser

Tarkin (superweapon)

Trigon One

Two-Wave Gravshock Device

Ultimate Weapon

World Devastator

 

(Plus one of these superweapons could start a new big bang, a universe killer, and I doubt the Covenant or any Warhammer race had the power of the Death Star or hell, the Star Forge which would ultimately destroy them by sending waves of automated capital ships and fighters in wave after wave, using the power of any nearby star.)

Plus the trillions of sentients living in an entire galaxy, they had a military if combined(like during the Vong War) would number in the billions. I doubt the Covenant even have those numbers plus the Star Wars Universe had much more technologically advance craft, going from one side of the galaxy takes days, sometimes even hours, while it still takes the Covenant months. I think the Star Wars Universe, with everything they had would destroy any real threat.

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HOLY FRAK!!!!!

Jin Won,

Where'd all these things come from?

I've only watched the movies, and played the PC games, so the biggest, baddest mutha I was aware of, in the SW universe, was the Death Star.

There's no mention of any of these things, are they ships or what, in anything I've seen.

In the movies and games, there's only 1 Death Star, existing at a time.

If you recall, it was such a shock to everyone that the Empire could/would "create such a huge weapons platform, with such capacity for destruction", I'm para-phrasing of course.  I mean, if there were all these things around, why'd the Empire ever bother landing troops on planets, it'd be easier to just destroy them from orbit.  It's not as if the Emperor cared about his subjects' well-being, he just cared about being Emperor.

Sorry, but I was never interested in SW beyond the movies and the RTS games.

I guess I was missing out on something there.

However.....

The point I was making, but I went out on a tangent, was to point out to Teck, that the Force has limits.

If it didn't, why were the clones able to pretty much wipe out the Jedi Order?

Now here's a thought for you.

If you start from the assumption that the SW universe is as it's portrayed in the movies and the PC RTS games, who would win?

Remember, this is a forum about Halo, not SW, so not everyone here has read all the literature, in existance, on the SW universe.

 

Here's another thought for you.

In the Warhammer 40k universe, pretty much EVERY major ship in the Imperial Fleet is equipped to carry-out an "Exterminatus" mission.

Which means wiping out ALL life on a planet.

And there are thousands of such ships in the Imperial Fleet alone.

So far as I can tell, the good bet is on the Warhammer 40k universe.

Plus, just the "Emperor of Man, in his Golden Throne, on Holy Terra", rules over BILLIONS of planets.

And he wouldn't even blink if he ordered an "Exterminatus" on a planet.

There's also the Inquisition fleet, every ship of which is equipped to carry-out an "Exterminatus".

And they wouldn't even bother to ask permission first.

So, Jin Won, you listed less than 50 weapons/ships in your post.

How well do they stack-up against the several thousand in the Warhammer 40k universe?

Yes, SW does have light-speed (or whatever they call it) travel, but for sheer numbers of ships and firepower....

I think they'd have enough ships to guard every critically important planet, and still send out fleets to destroy whatever they wanted to.

And that's just the "Emperor of Man".

Plus, all the races in Warhammer 40k have some form of major anti-space weaponry on the surfaces of their important planets, not to mention orbital weapons platforms above them.

How many planets in the SW universe?

I'm still working out who I think would win if we were discussing only surface combat, but as for space-based, I say Warhammer 40k.

If you hadn't guessed yet, I'm into Warhammer 40k, and have been ever since it was originally called "Rogue Trader", way back when Games-Workshop first started up.

Later.

 

Halo vs Starcraft the Sons of Korhal and UED go up against the UNSC UNSC most likely loose ground battles due to the fact that the marines on SC have armor that makes them basicly walking tanks and impervious to any kind of projectile that isn't at least 50 cal or more. The air battles between the two are hard to decide between because both sides of decent fighters and their ships carry massive one hit kill weapons (Mac and Yamato) But seeing as how the Sons of Korhal and UED probably outnumber the UNSC the UNSC looses. Covenant come up againt the Protoss the protoss use their arbitors to cloak their carriers while they killing most of the Covenants spacecraft. Arbitors use stasis on a certain portion of the Covenant spacecraft rendering them useless while the protoss are free to kill of the other half. The Protoss launch corsairs to wipe out any Covenant fighters (they have splash dmg pretty much everything gets hit when its in view) Carriers finnish off the remainder of the fleet. Ground fight against the covenant I have to give it to the covenant because they have better units on the ground.  The Flood and Zerg go up against on another the flood with out enemy spacecraft to infect are useless against air there for Mutalisks and Guardians make quick work of the flood. Unless the Flood did recieve ships from the UNSC and Covenant in which case it would probably be the same for the Zerg. But being as how the Zerg don't need the spacecraft at all have an advantage against the flood as they cannot attack the Zerg Mutalisks or devourers. Because they are probably to fast for the larger ships to attack. If they flood use any captured fighters they will have a hard time against the Zerg still since the zerg would again outnumber them due to the lack of new ships by the covenant or UNSC. Zerg probably win this battle. Sentinals are left but are only located on halos as far as we no. Protoss use the ship they used to destroy Mara Sara and blow the halos up as they find them. GG

There is no dout wahtsoever that halo will activate if the humans and covn. team up. Halo will technically survive, look at 343 guiltyspark and tarent targent, they both are not organic life, and are indestructible (nothing has destroyed one before). Also, it can't be possible for skynet to try to defend the ark, and they won't even care about anything that is "organic". accually, skynet might even help the ark, and activate it themselves. 

 Oh, and the flood, the flood are not organic, they can survive Halo (implied by cortana) and it only kills their FOOD. So if the flood are part of Halo, then halo is aught to win, unless something glasses all the Halos

Sure you have, I've played the games watched the movies and read the books, the force was able to create wormholes able to consume entire fleets, if you've read Dark Empire. I would elaberate but I do not have the time, I'll edit this post tomorrow.

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Lol. the halo's wouldn't be used at all because the Halos kill everything so it would be game over for all sides unless the terminators, battledroids, and sentinals survive which would most likely. But the battledroids would probably loose and as for the sentinals vs the terminators you guys dont forget the terminators have the liquid metal. I am pretty sure the sentinals cant destroy those.

Jin Won:

Sure you have, I've played the games watched the movies and read the books, the force was able to create wormholes able to consume entire fleets, if you've read Dark Empire. I would elaberate but I do not have the time, I'll edit this post tomorrow.

Remember, not everyone in this forum has read the SW books.

In the MOVIES and the PC RTS games, there's nothing to even suggest that the force has that kind of strength/range.

In fact, in a couple of the movies, it's actually pointed out that the force HAS limits, implying that something like you mention would be impossible.

If I remember correctly, Old Ben Kenobi tells Luke about the limits of the Force in the original movie, and Yoda also points out the limitations of the Force during Luke's training on Dagoba in "the Empire Strikes Back".

Maybe if ALL the Jedis were "forcing" together.......maybe, but I doubt they'd ALL be willing to do something that destructive.

Later.