@ Crosspack -

Firstly, I never said the US would win, they are simply outnumbered byt he UNSC to win.

 

Do you Honestly think they would be able to land that many troops at once? No. Likely they would lose huge amounts of their invasion force trying to land them.

We might not have nueral laces and the such, but they cans till put up one hell of a fight. THe US has more int eh ways of robotics and UAV's however, which coupled witht he wide range of weapon platforms employed, should be enough to balance the technological advantages that the UNSC have.

Lasers on Airplanes. We have them and they work. They would make short work of any UNSC aircraft. Thats not even considereing the fact that teh ground based ones are even mor powerfull and would opunch a hole clean though most UNSC aircraft.
Erm... just because the longsword is a different fighter doesn;t mean it follows a different rule set, they both hit supersonic at the same speed.
Scramjets faster than both and they also have laser systems.
Also, the UNSC has far less aircraft they are capable of transporting than the US does.

I seriously hope your comment about the tungsten tipped round was not serious. Not only do we have them we have better rounds that can hit a target from miles away and deliver much more stopping power.

You seem to forget how Spartans are in short supply and how theya re not as powerfull as the books and games make them seem. In a skirmish they could turn the tide, but in a full scale battle they would be mince meat. They are after Spec Ops and not meant for frontline duty. They would only cause trouble if the were sent on spec ops missions and Im sure the US would hunt them down and kill them.

The US also has the advantage of having a huge amount of supporting craft and vessels that can hit from afar. Considering some US ships are being equipped iwth railguins that can shoot hundreds of miles the US clearly has the upperhand on the ground.

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Seath:

@ Crosspack -

Firstly, I never said the US would win, they are simply outnumbered byt he UNSC to win.

 

Do you Honestly think they would be able to land that many troops at once? No. Likely they would lose huge amounts of their invasion force trying to land them.

We might not have nueral laces and the such, but they cans till put up one hell of a fight. THe US has more int eh ways of robotics and UAV's however, which coupled witht he wide range of weapon platforms employed, should be enough to balance the technological advantages that the UNSC have.

Lasers on Airplanes. We have them and they work. They would make short work of any UNSC aircraft.
Erm... just because the longsword is a different fighter doesn;t mean it follows a different rule set, they both hit supersonic at the same speed.
Scramjets faster than both and they also have laser systems.
Also, the UNSC has far less aircraft they are capable of transporting than the US does.

I seriously hope your comment about the tungsten tipped round was not serious. Not only do we have them we have better rounds that can hit a target from miles away and deliver much more stopping power.

You seem to forget how Spartans are in short supply and how theya re not as powerfull as the books and games make them seem. In a skirmish they could turn the tide, but in a full scale battle they would be mince meat. They are after Spec Ops and not meant for frontline duty. They would only cause trouble if the were sent on spec ops missions and Im sure the US would hunt them down and kill them.

The US also has the advantage of having a huge amount of supporting craft and vessels that can hit from afar. Considering some US ships are being equipped iwth railguins that can shoot hundreds of miles the US clearly has the upperhand on the ground.

Ok so essentially you expect the US to mobilize its Armed forces way faster that the UNSC? 

How would the US be able to hit so many targets at once? and what makes you think they will go unprotected?

the current UAV's can't stand up against anything on the UNSC arsenal, they only look so powerful now because nobody has found a way to counter it...the UNSC are already in complete control of these...read the books they have a nice number of simple drones that by today standards are WAY advanced...

You still need a plane just as fast as the Longsword to hit with the laser, and the fastest plane right now is the F-22...if you want to count Aurora...but that's just rumors right now theres no evidence, sure they both hit the supersonic stage at the same speed (DURrr, but the Longsword can reach it MUCH more faster...and the B-2 aint even Supersonic when compared to the Shortsword.)

Again the Albatross and the Heavy Dropship seen on the gameplay can do that...and ok lets say the Heavy Dropship is completely non-canon, did you play Halo 3? then you know the UNSC can just land a Frigate which has many more times the number of equipment and troops that a C-17 or a C-5 or you could just use two Pelicans to deliver the same load a C-17 would and have the pelicans also be effective Air Support...lets the C-17 try that...

I was talking about the Scorpion on the Books, the game pretty much make everything look weaker because of gameplay reasons...and still I can hit a target very far on the game...and by ( me I mean anyone can if its done right)

You seem to forget that the Master Chief was never on any Spec Ops missions during his time he was at the front...all the time...do you think armies just march into one another now? no...Spartans were designed as Specs Ops but it doesnt mean they are limited to it...

The Support Vehicles can't help much when its not strong enough to pound down on the Armor of the enemy...it can't also help that much if you dont have air superiority, which is something the UNSC can establish easily,

Im not saying the US is a wimp or anything and I do agree they could give hell for sometime maybe a couple of months a year if the cards are played right, but the UNSC really doesnt have to try that hard...when the US has to give its all 

 **Ok Ok, sure but you do realize that even if they did when compared to the UNSC, these "advantages" you talk about are either on a experimental stage or in Short (or Exclusive) supply while the UNSC is on a massed-produced stage

 

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Crosspack:

Seath:

@ Crosspack -

Firstly, I never said the US would win, they are simply outnumbered byt he UNSC to win.

 

Do you Honestly think they would be able to land that many troops at once? No. Likely they would lose huge amounts of their invasion force trying to land them.

We might not have nueral laces and the such, but they cans till put up one hell of a fight. THe US has more int eh ways of robotics and UAV's however, which coupled witht he wide range of weapon platforms employed, should be enough to balance the technological advantages that the UNSC have.

Lasers on Airplanes. We have them and they work. They would make short work of any UNSC aircraft.
Erm... just because the longsword is a different fighter doesn;t mean it follows a different rule set, they both hit supersonic at the same speed.
Scramjets faster than both and they also have laser systems.
Also, the UNSC has far less aircraft they are capable of transporting than the US does.

I seriously hope your comment about the tungsten tipped round was not serious. Not only do we have them we have better rounds that can hit a target from miles away and deliver much more stopping power.

You seem to forget how Spartans are in short supply and how theya re not as powerfull as the books and games make them seem. In a skirmish they could turn the tide, but in a full scale battle they would be mince meat. They are after Spec Ops and not meant for frontline duty. They would only cause trouble if the were sent on spec ops missions and Im sure the US would hunt them down and kill them.

The US also has the advantage of having a huge amount of supporting craft and vessels that can hit from afar. Considering some US ships are being equipped iwth railguins that can shoot hundreds of miles the US clearly has the upperhand on the ground.

Ok so essentially you expect the US to mobilize its Armed forces way faster that the UNSC? 

How would the US be able to hit so many targets at once? and what makes you think they will go unprotected?

the current UAV's can't stand up against anything on the UNSC arsenal, they only look so powerful now because nobody has found a way to counter it...the UNSC are already in complete control of these...read the books they have a nice number of simple drones that by today standards are WAY advanced...

You still need a plane just as fast as the Longsword to hit with the laser, and the fastest plane right now is the F-22...if you want to count Aurora...but that's just rumors right now theres no evidence, sure they both hit the supersonic stage at the same speed (DURrr, but the Longsword can reach it MUCH more faster...and the B-2 aint even Supersonic when compared to the Shortsword.)

Again the Albatross and the Heavy Dropship seen on the gameplay can do that...and ok lets say the Heavy Dropship is completely non-canon, did you play Halo 3? then you know the UNSC can just land a Frigate which has many more times the number of equipment and troops that a C-17 or a C-5 or you could just use two Pelicans to deliver the same load a C-17 would and have the pelicans also be effective Air Support...lets the C-17 try that...

I was talking about the Scorpion on the Books, the game pretty much make everything look weaker because of gameplay reasons...and still I can hit a target very far on the game...and by ( me I mean anyone can if its done right)

You seem to forget that the Master Chief was never on any Spec Ops missions during his time he was at the front...all the time...do you think armies just march into one another now? no...Spartans were designed as Specs Ops but it doesnt mean they are limited to it...

The Support Vehicles can't help much when its not strong enough to pound down on the Armor of the enemy...it can't also help that much if you dont have air superiority, which is something the UNSC can establish easily,

Im not saying the US is a wimp or anything and I do agree they could give hell for sometime maybe a couple of months a year if the cards are played right, but the UNSC really doesnt have to try that hard...when the US has to give its all 

 **Ok Ok, sure but you do realize that even if they did when compared to the UNSC, these "advantages" you talk about are either on a experimental stage or in Short (or Exclusive) supply while the UNSC is on a massed-produced stage

 

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No I dont, but they can effectively eliminate large potions of the UNSC invading force before they get a foothold.

Actually, the longsword just needs to be within range(ahem, thats about a couple hundred miles). They cant outrun light

The UNSC could establish Air superiority, but it would cost them.

Abrams still beats scorpion. It simply outclasses a scorpion.

 

I know armies dont just march on one another, but in a firefight(especially one with tanks) spartans would not be much better than a regular soldier. Name a time other than Reach where Spartans were used in a large scale engagement. I have not read all the books, and form what I know there ahve not been any instances.

You dont need air support to launch metal slugs hundreds of miles away or to launch cruise missiles.

**Yes, they are not in large supply, however, they have more than the UNSC does.

 

@ Walkera -

At least they had a point to them, rather than simply stating something everyone already kne. BTW, they are not very long.

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Seath:

No I dont, but they can effectively eliminate large potions of the UNSC invading force before they get a foothold.

Actually, the longsword just needs to be within range(ahem, thats about a couple hundred miles). They cant outrun light

The UNSC could establish Air superiority, but it would cost them.

Abrams still beats scorpion. It simply outclasses a scorpion.

 

I know armies dont just march on one another, but in a firefight(especially one with tanks) spartans would not be much better than a regular soldier. Name a time other than Reach where Spartans were used in a large scale engagement. I have not read all the books, and form what I know there ahve not been any instances.

You dont need air support to launch metal slugs hundreds of miles away or to launch cruise missiles.

**Yes, they are not in large supply, however, they have more than the UNSC does.

 

Dude the UNSC has soo much many more resources that the US how could you say they don't??? its not a country! the UNSC is a number of WORLDS!

Sure you don't but your risking your idk how many million dollar Cruiser or SPA (self-propelled artillery) to get the detected even before it gets its chance to even get on position or maybe its destroyed minutes or moments later after its first round hits home. which any commander won't want to do.

Reach? ok fine, Earth...all remaining spartans were used on a large scale battle and did there job VERY well without a single loss, despite being HEAVILY outnumbered, I really can't think of ALL the names of the planets but there were a couple.  the best examples by far are Earth and Reach (and the spartans where deployed anywhere they were needed)

Again not let your self be guided just by the games, the Scorpion has far greater range and its Weapons and Radar system can beat it, and its armor plating is Titanuim Ceramic while the Abrams has  Chobham armour  which according to this is lacks strength to deflect heavy penetration, which a Scorpion CAN deliver 

The UNSC can establish air superiority and it would not cost them that much...

the Range required for the laser to hit the target is far shorter that the range the Longsword requires to launch a missile, the longsword can also act as a Multirole craft... 

They can't eliminate that many forces landing...what can they use? Patriot missiles? the UNSC ships have countermeasures for that, and what makes you think before invading they aren't gonna take down defenses before sending troops? or sending them simultaneously  

 ** I ALSO FORGOT MAN...even if the US Abrams does out-class the Scorpion we got the same scenario we had during WW2...German tanks being better that American Tanks...OK sure an Abrams can hit one before it has even the slightest idea but they have the numbers to just swarm in.

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What are the UNSC going to use to negate a nuclear impact? The temp. in a Thermo-Nuclear Bomb ( A bomb using fusion instead of fission) can reach temperatures found only else in the middle of the sun.

And a Patriot Missile is a SAM (Surface to Air) We'd be shooting Longswords with those.

If a kilometer Frigate was coming down, we'd be fireing a LGM-30A Minutemen III ICBM (Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile) at it.

Or possibly the Poseidon and Trident I SLBM's (Submarine Launch Ballistic Missile)

 

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Boot To The Head:

What are the UNSC going to use to negate a nuclear impact? The temp. in a Thermo-Nuclear Bomb ( A bomb using fusion instead of fission) can reach temperatures found only else in the middle of the sun.

And a Patriot Missile is a SAM (Surface to Air) We'd be shooting Longswords with those.

If a kilometer Frigate was coming down, we'd be fireing a LGM-30A Minutemen III ICBM (Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile) at it.

Or possibly the Poseidon and Trident I SLBM's (Submarine Launch Ballistic Missile)

 

the use of a nuclear warhead might also kill civilians, the US goverment wouldnt want that...and if the US does pull that of...well a Shiva can pretty much reck anything in its path...or heck maybe they'll just decide to Launch a Goddamned NOVA, and yeah thats it

also UNSC Frigates, Cruisers, Destroyers you name it, have Point-Defense Guns that can be used to take down Missiles before they can hit the Target and lets say you have a Marathon-Class Cruiser being controlled by a Military Grade Smart A.I. like Cortana, the predictable path of the missiles launched means the Cruiser is going to hit every missile before the missile hits its Target.

The SAMs like any other missile need to be faster that its target and again a Longsword uses stealth, you can't hit something you can't see 

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Boot To The Head:

 They have over 800 planets to get troops and resources from.

ok first of all they dont have 800 they have about 16-32 i think it says in contact harvest then half of them aren't even millitary but the resources yes thats a 2/1 fight but they dont have 800 worlds they were etheir glassed or they just arent military and if u take the econemy and say your military now they wont have as many resources so it like a losing battle for the unsc if they dont manage this right.

 

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A Longsword is a plane the size of a Boing 747. It is painted black and has a bunch of right angles. It would show up in plain daylight like a giant balloon. And due to those angles, it would show up on every radar screen for miles.

And the  LGM-30 Minutemen ICBM travels at Mach 23 or about 15,000 mph/24,000 km/h or 7 km/s.

It's a guided missile to.

The Patriot travels at a less impressive Mach 5.

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ncx9:

Boot To The Head:

 They have over 800 planets to get troops and resources from.

ok first of all they dont have 800 they have about 16-32 i think it says in contact harvest then half of them aren't even millitary but the resources yes thats a 2/1 fight but they dont have 800 worlds they were etheir glassed or they just arent military and if u take the econemy and say your military now they wont have as many resources so it like a losing battle for the unsc if they dont manage this right.

 

signed ncx9 stratigic and tactical genius

Well, Tacticus. Before the UNSC met the Covenant, they had 800 Colonized worlds in various stages of Terraforming. That means that they had 800 planets from which to draw troops from. The Inner Colonies had Earth sized populations, and Earth had 12.5 billion people on it at the time.

Do the math. That's billions of troops, they don't need to send them all at once, they can just ship out a constant flow of troops. We have a finite amount of human resources, as the U.S has only 250 million out 300 million citizens who are physically able to fight. Unless of course you want to arm children and people over the age of 50.

And on a whole, there are only 6.5 billion people on Earth. Even if we banded together, they would still out number us, and that would just be their military personnel.

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Boot To The Head:

A Longsword is a plane the size of a Boing 747. It is painted black and has a bunch of right angles. It would show up in plain daylight like a giant balloon. And due to those angles, it would show up on every radar screen for miles.

And the  LGM-30 Minutemen ICBM travels at Mach 23 or about 15,000 mph/24,000 km/h or 7 km/s.

It's a guided missile to.

The Patriot travels at a less impressive Mach 5.

isnt the F-22 designed with many angles...

anything traveling beyond 500 mphs breaks the sound barrier...I doubt you can actually see it clearly, and that being said...why on God's shiny Green Earth I would want to attack at daylight?

Guided and it travels at w/e speeds...a Smart A.I. can still track it...if it can track it...it can shoot it... 

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Yes, but the F-22 doesn't use right angles. I don't know what it is about 90 degree angles that sets radar off, but they do.

Ok, the Longsword would be a big, black blur.

I wouldn't attack at daylight either.

I guess the A.I could track a few dozen to quite a few dozen incoming missiles, but can the ship itself move fast enough to avoid something going 24,000 km/h ?

Edit: Why did you create this thread? It's led to a bunch of pointless arguements about something that could never happen. Plus, I'm wondering if the UNSC would even fight us? After all, they came from the nations of Earth to. It used to be the UN. And it's only an Emergency Wartime Government. The Nations of Earth are still there. Including the U.S.

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Boot To The Head:

Yes, but the F-22 doesn't use right angles. I don't know what it is about 90 degree angles that sets radar off, but they do.

Ok, the Longsword would be a big, black blur.

I wouldn't attack at daylight either.

I guess the A.I could track a few dozen to quite a few dozen incoming missiles, but can the ship itself move fast enough to avoid something going 24,000 km/h ?

Edit: Why did you create this thread? It's led to a bunch of pointless arguements about something that could never happen. Plus, I'm wondering if the UNSC would even fight us? After all, they came from the nations of Earth to. It used to be the UN. And it's only an Emergency Wartime Government. The Nations of Earth are still there. Including the U.S.

a Dumb A.I. perhaps...again a A.I. like Cortana can track alot of them and hit them each so the ship doesnt even need to move and besides Im not saying your attacking that ship I'm saying that one ship with a Smart A.I. on several choke points, vital areas, major combat zones w/e can pretty much prevent any Missiles from hitting there intended targets at the same time the Smart A.I. or a Dumb A.I. on a different ship could track the location from which the missiles are coming and send a strike force to deal with it.

Why did I create it? to have fun? its enjoyable to see other people's thoughts about something.  and why do you say its pointless? there's many threads on these forums about stuff that will never happen...yet people seem to be happy to reply...some most that others...

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How about Imperial Guard vs. UNSC. Who will win then??? o.O?

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Seath:

How about Imperial Guard vs. UNSC. Who will win then??? o.O?

and those are? btw stay on topic this is an UMSC VS UNSC topic 

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