tmspartan:

Mad Martigan:

WaffenSS Killer:

Why do alot of folks go Forge for his SP-SP-SP-R-R-VD-SP when Cutter can do it cheaper and faster?No he can't. Here's my reasoning...

• Cutter can crank tanks from a single VD with just 4 unupgraded Supply pads.  Are you gonna upgrade those?
  
• Forge gets HSP's, but is still limited to the single VD  Not sure what your on about here,I dual pump all day with forge
  
• Either way, they're both cranking tanks at the same rate, except Cutter can do it faster. Again no he cant, hes about 30 seconds or a tank behind until late game
  

Now, if Forge goes with 2 VD's and an Advanced Reactor, he only gets to fire up his 2nd VD for a VERY short time. That is to say, Forge's first VD will consume 80% of his Resources, so the 2nd only gets tanks out maybe 20-30% faster.Its only supposed to be there for a short time. Eco cant handle a dual pump off one base. No ones can

Cutter can do all this, but faster. Plus, he can make an elephant for Spartanks without sacrificing a build slot. And the ROFLelephant can support his attack with Flamers to stop hunters, other spartans, etc. Canister boom> get barracks and spartans instead of dual pump, spartanks up a tech and before you. Flamers if I want em. The only way cutter can out tank forge is a quick expand, even then he barely out tanks Forge until late game.

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Cutter can in fact get Canister Tanks faster than Forge, and he can have more out first, his problem is double pumping them effectively.

Cutter can only out-produce Forge's tanks on Exile where he gets a free base.

Really? So you get canister faster but I will have more? Not much of an advantage there. But I didnt know he could get it first. learn something new everyday. And on exile forge gets a free base too ; )

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l Slayer l:

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forge and cutter gets canister at the exact same time with the same build orders...

if you want, go test it out.

only on double base maps can cutter out tank forge and not by much if the forge uses a good dual base build as well.

orcle:

forge and cutter gets canister at the exact same time with the same build orders...

if you want, go test it out.

only on double base maps can cutter out tank forge and not by much if the forge uses a good dual base build as well.

And on exile forge gets a free base too ; )

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l Slayer l:

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Mad Martigan:

orcle:

forge and cutter gets canister at the exact same time with the same build orders...

if you want, go test it out.

only on double base maps can cutter out tank forge and not by much if the forge uses a good dual base build as well.

And on exile forge gets a free base too ; )

dosnt matter because cutter benifits mroe from it though.

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Mad Martigan:

UndeadSephiroth:i like to have a dual reactor and pump tanks out of two VDs   im not revealing my build order,i dont want people copying it. lol its that good.     Anyway i may not get my first couple of tanks out as fast as your build, but i get a full army a lot faster

Sephiroth, That advanced reactor build is no secret. so you dont have to worry about anyone stealing it,lol. The only reason you need 4 first is for a canister/wingman boom. That said I personally think the 3 SP build is better. You have the option to get a barracks with your 7th slot and get spartanks easily. hanging i have a pretty unique build with forge. If your interested i will PM it to you. This one is very much so a secret and is very good for 3v3 and 2v2 if you have a Covie teammate.

Any chance you could PM it to me? I wouldn't mind knowing a few basic Forge builds, i'm thinking of picking him up soon

They're refering to the "quick-canister" build order.

It goes

SP>SP>SP>SP>SP>R>R>Adavanced Reactor>Sell SP>VD>Canister>Sell Reac>VD>Tanks

It's stable, but you need to be defended for quite a long time. Your first tank won't be out till 5:05, although after that they come out pretty quick.

 

3v3 build for forge not the best but i like it gives good econemy help me win some.

 

Sp,Sp,Sp,Sp,R,Build 2 hogs, Once R built upgrade gunner and base,Use gunner Hogs to take down a rebel base,why thats happening Build 2 more Sp on first base, Save 1200 upgrade to Advanced R, Build second base, Go Vd,R,Vd, Upgrade base 2 Sp at frount, Build tnaks out first Vd then once R up save 400 supplies, Upgrade canister shell on second Vd, then duel pump tanks.

 

Then once got 10 tanks upgrade base get 2 Sp then destory one sp on main base get FA and upgrade reserves and then what ever.

 

studmuffin:

Mad Martigan:

orcle:

forge and cutter gets canister at the exact same time with the same build orders...

if you want, go test it out.

only on double base maps can cutter out tank forge and not by much if the forge uses a good dual base build as well.

And on exile forge gets a free base too ; )

dosnt matter because cutter benifits mroe from it though.

It matters, if you want to try and keep pace with the late game gods economy when he double bases. Forge pays more but he doesn't have a choice if he wants to keep up with cutter. He gets his moneyz later from his heaviez, making it all good.

 

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l Slayer l:

K love has boosted a few games, but I know he hasnt went out of his way to do it or anything. /quote]

Mad Martigan: Really? So you get canister faster but I will have more? Not much of an advantage there. But I didnt know he could get it first. learn something new everyday. And on exile forge gets a free base too ; )

Canister first is actually a huge help considering Canister Tanks are far more useful than Unupgraded tanks.

And if Forge builds immediately on Exile he loses to Cutter because he starts very far behind, however if he doesn't build fast enough he loses to Cutter because of Cutter's free base. So essentially Cutter beast Forge on Exile. Forge's HSPs make it impossible to expand immediately and be effective.

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studmuffin:

Mad Martigan:

orcle:

forge and cutter gets canister at the exact same time with the same build orders...

if you want, go test it out.

only on double base maps can cutter out tank forge and not by much if the forge uses a good dual base build as well.

And on exile forge gets a free base too ; )

dosnt matter because cutter benifits mroe from it though.

i don't think cutter can stop my awesome spartanks. 3 neural canister spartanks in 6:30 at cutters base.

he will have 5 canister tanks at the most victory is mine

SPx6 on first base, reactor

expand at 1:25

on second base: reactor,  reactor, vd, vd, vd, reactor, reactor, by 9:25 you have full pop grizzlies and DL wolverines

obviously only use this in 3v3 or against nubs in 2v2, it works great when your teammates rush to slow the opponents down

My build is HSP*4, Barracks, Reactor*2, recycle Barracks for Veh Depot after obtaining 3 Spartans and whatever Infantry you need to cap points.  In the case of maps with power hooks, simply skip the second reactor and go straight for Veh Dep as the 7th building.

4 HSPs generate 16 or 17/sec worth of resources.  Tanks costs 14/sec per pad.  Spartans cost 20/sec.  Spartanks allow you to take that early boom and convert 2400 resources into a flexible and durable combat force over the course of 180 seconds.  Doing so is to me far more useful than going for double pumping of Scorpions, which can't be done for very long, even with a massive surplus from an early HSP*4.

Cutter can keep up and even be slightly faster at the single base can. tank spam strat only because Forge must pay the 225 per HSP right away out of the 800 supplies everyone starts with, and cutter has a fully upgraded base saving him 400 supplies when Forge upgrades the base to 7 spots.

 Also if the Cutter player leaves the supply pads unupgraded he can essentially get to the first can. tank on par, but suffers after the 6 min mark due to single supply pads (if left unupgraded) and this is the time Forge's eco seems to be ahead of his opponents. Either way Forge has a horrible start game. : - (

DragonTear86:

Cutter can keep up and even be slightly faster at the single base can. tank spam strat only because Forge must pay the 225 per HSP right away out of the 800 supplies everyone starts with, and cutter has a fully upgraded base saving him 400 supplies when Forge upgrades the base to 7 spots.

 Also if the Cutter player leaves the supply pads unupgraded he can essentially get to the first can. tank on par, but suffers after the 6 min mark due to single supply pads (if left unupgraded) and this is the time Forge's eco seems to be ahead of his opponents. Either way Forge has a horrible start game. : - (

forge overtakes cutter in 3min on 1 base

orcle:

forge and cutter gets canister at the exact same time with the same build orders...

if you want, go test it out.

only on double base maps can cutter out tank forge and not by much if the forge uses a good dual base build as well.

I beat a top Cutter today who had more canister tanks than me at one time, but i was double pumping while he could only single pump, and I had spartans, harder for cutter to pump equally to forge without taking my hooks.

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crusaderking:

orcle:

forge and cutter gets canister at the exact same time with the same build orders...

if you want, go test it out.

only on double base maps can cutter out tank forge and not by much if the forge uses a good dual base build as well.

I beat a top Cutter today who had more canister tanks than me at one time, but i was double pumping while he could only single pump, and I had spartans, harder for cutter to pump equally to forge without taking my hooks.

ya but if you would have gone with the single pump bo then you both would have had the same number of tanks. i have no idea where people get the cutter can get canister sooner and get tanks sooner thing from.

orcle:

crusaderking:

orcle:

forge and cutter gets canister at the exact same time with the same build orders...

if you want, go test it out.

only on double base maps can cutter out tank forge and not by much if the forge uses a good dual base build as well.

I beat a top Cutter today who had more canister tanks than me at one time, but i was double pumping while he could only single pump, and I had spartans, harder for cutter to pump equally to forge without taking my hooks.

ya but if you would have gone with the single pump bo then you both would have had the same number of tanks. i have no idea where people get the cutter can get canister sooner and get tanks sooner thing from.

more or less the same, but its easier for forge to double pump tanks+have upgraded spartans with canister sooner with one base and equal hooks.

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