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Hunters counter guass pretty well. Its the fact guass doesnt even need to fight units to win the game.

More like the fact that it's faster to get gauss than assualt beam.  If you've got the time, then yes, hunters counter gauss.  But, if not, hunters will get killed.

Also, the fact that hogs can run circles around hunters makes the beam less effective.

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Hunters are obsolete.  I never really seem them anymore.  You have better luck with tech 2 banshees much less hunters.  I know what your going to say Vrong, gauss counter air but banshees kill gauss faster than hunters, are equally as fast and can be used to harass their base to keep the gauss out of yours.  IMO hunters are a waste of money when countering gauss it just puts you on the defensive and you cant leave your base or it will just get swarmed with gauss.  Tech 3 banshees are on par with gauss as far as damage goes, but they are faster...also if you manage to get a good air spam set up...over 3 air pads you will be on par with a guass spammer.  Since you are faster and can kill his expansion bases (most gauss spammers dont upgrade their expansions they are easy to kill) you need to keep the pressure on him make him defend his team rather than him attacking you.  I think most people lose to gauss because they go on the defensive and you just cannot do that. The whole objective once a player gets gauss is to manage how many bases that player has.  If you can keep him to 1 base he is not as much of a threat then expand yourself and you will just out produce him and win.  

From what I have seen playing vs some good gauss players you need to keep the pressure on otherwise you will lose everytime.  If you go defensive and make say...hunters...you will lose since your thinking about upgrading tech to counter and he is busy taking the entire map for bases to spam gauss.  Covenant can upgrade turrets without upgrading tech so take advantage of that especially with the new TU coming out, that will make a gauss spammer more reluctant to attack your base.  

 As for hunters go they are horrible.  they have NO range.  Everything they counter is faster and has better range.  They are by far the worst counter unit in the game, unless they are going cobras/wolverines.  That is the only time I will bother making them, its always better to go banshees.

I mostly play 2v2 and 3v3 so this information might be a little skewed towards that.  1v1 I just brute rush anders to stop gauss so it is not much of a problem unless game goes on for a while.   

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Hunters are obsolete.  I never really seem them anymore.  You have better luck with tech 2 banshees much less hunters.  I know what your going to say Vrong, gauss counter air but banshees kill gauss faster than hunters, are equally as fast and can be used to harass their base to keep the gauss out of yours.  IMO hunters are a waste of money when countering gauss it just puts you on the defensive and you cant leave your base or it will just get swarmed with gauss.  Tech 3 banshees are on par with gauss as far as damage goes, but they are faster...also if you manage to get a good air spam set up...over 3 air pads you will be on par with a guass spammer.  Since you are faster and can kill his expansion bases (most gauss spammers dont upgrade their expansions they are easy to kill) you need to keep the pressure on him make him defend his team rather than him attacking you.  I think most people lose to gauss because they go on the defensive and you just cannot do that. The whole objective once a player gets gauss is to manage how many bases that player has.  If you can keep him to 1 base he is not as much of a threat then expand yourself and you will just out produce him and win.  

From what I have seen playing vs some good gauss players you need to keep the pressure on otherwise you will lose everytime.  If you go defensive and make say...hunters...you will lose since your thinking about upgrading tech to counter and he is busy taking the entire map for bases to spam gauss.  Covenant can upgrade turrets without upgrading tech so take advantage of that especially with the new TU coming out, that will make a gauss spammer more reluctant to attack your base.  

 As for hunters go they are horrible.  they have NO range.  Everything they counter is faster and has better range.  They are by far the worst counter unit in the game, unless they are going cobras/wolverines.  That is the only time I will bother making them, its always better to go banshees.

I mostly play 2v2 and 3v3 so this information might be a little skewed towards that.  1v1 I just brute rush anders to stop gauss so it is not much of a problem unless game goes on for a while.   

I'm not sure about T3 banshee's being on par with gauss, but I don't doubt you so I will take your word for it. But lets not to forgot to take into consideration how much easier it is to get gauss in comparison to T3 banshee's.

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Felix:

More like the fact that it's faster to get gauss than assualt beam.  If you've got the time, then yes, hunters counter gauss.  But, if not, hunters will get killed.

Hunters work pretty weel against guass. If you only have bounded shield, then the hunters will die fast. Spirit bond does very well VS guass. Its unlikely youll get to that though, more unlikely you get to assult beam, which is a problem considering hogs are the units used to harass and sto you getting to that tech, then they get upgraded and win.

Felix: 

Also, the fact that hogs can run circles around hunters makes the beam less effective.

If your hunters are stood in a big open space, and the hog control has very good micro, and the hunter controler stood them still. But when attacking or defending, the hogs cant run around the hunters when there is a base right next to them.

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Hunters are obsolete.  I never really seem them anymore.  You have better luck with tech 2 banshees much less hunters.  I know what your going to say Vrong, gauss counter air but banshees kill gauss faster than hunters, are equally as fast and can be used to harass their base to keep the gauss out of yours.  IMO hunters are a waste of money when countering gauss it just puts you on the defensive and you cant leave your base or it will just get swarmed with gauss.  Tech 3 banshees are on par with gauss as far as damage goes, but they are faster...also if you manage to get a good air spam set up...over 3 air pads you will be on par with a guass spammer.  Since you are faster and can kill his expansion bases (most gauss spammers dont upgrade their expansions they are easy to kill) you need to keep the pressure on him make him defend his team rather than him attacking you.  I think most people lose to gauss because they go on the defensive and you just cannot do that. The whole objective once a player gets gauss is to manage how many bases that player has.  If you can keep him to 1 base he is not as much of a threat then expand yourself and you will just out produce him and win.  

From what I have seen playing vs some good gauss players you need to keep the pressure on otherwise you will lose everytime.  If you go defensive and make say...hunters...you will lose since your thinking about upgrading tech to counter and he is busy taking the entire map for bases to spam gauss.  Covenant can upgrade turrets without upgrading tech so take advantage of that especially with the new TU coming out, that will make a gauss spammer more reluctant to attack your base.  

 As for hunters go they are horrible.  they have NO range.  Everything they counter is faster and has better range.  They are by far the worst counter unit in the game, unless they are going cobras/wolverines.  That is the only time I will bother making them, its always better to go banshees.

I mostly play 2v2 and 3v3 so this information might be a little skewed towards that.  1v1 I just brute rush anders to stop gauss so it is not much of a problem unless game goes on for a while.   

Banshees are generally better because their harassing use is greater than their ability to fight guass. But, as a counter to the guass hog unit, the hunter will do a better job of fight guass hogs. But the way guass is used, the banshees, although counterd, tend to be a better choice because of their speed and boost.

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Hunters work pretty weel against guass. If you only have bounded shield, then the hunters will die fast. Spirit bond does very well VS guass. Its unlikely youll get to that though, more unlikely you get to assult beam, which is a problem considering hogs are the units used to harass and sto you getting to that tech, then they get upgraded and win.

Ok, first off, we get it, hunters work well...

Second, if you're thinking you're going to be hog spammed, you won't be teching past tech one(or two most likely) you'll be building hunters(if we're going be this).  The problem is, hogs can move around fast and shoot, unlike hunters.

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If your hunters are stood in a big open space, and the hog control has very good micro, and the hunter controler stood them still. But when attacking or defending, the hogs cant run around the hunters when there is a base right next to them.

"Run circles around them" is mainly just an expression.  You won't be going in actual circles(unless you can).  The thing is, they can move and shoot.  Unlike hunters which have to at least stop first.

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But hunters can move and shoot. Also, for the guass to shoot, it has to be in range of the hutners beam. There no fighting hunters with assult beam when you have guass, you can not just out micro the hogs.

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I FJ I:But hunters can move and shoot. Also, for the guass to shoot, it has to be in range of the hutners beam. There no fighting hunters with assult beam when you have guass, you can not just out micro the hogs.

They can't move fast.  Honestly, you can just move back and fourth and kill an entire army of hunters. 

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I FJ I:But hunters can move and shoot. Also, for the guass to shoot, it has to be in range of the hutners beam. There no fighting hunters with assult beam when you have guass, you can not just out micro the hogs.

They can't move fast.  Honestly, you can just move back and fourth and kill an entire army of hunters. 

Who ever using the hunters was stupid then. You cant beat hunters with guass.

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I FJ I:But hunters can move and shoot. Also, for the guass to shoot, it has to be in range of the hutners beam. There no fighting hunters with assult beam when you have guass, you can not just out micro the hogs.

They can't move fast.  Honestly, you can just move back and fourth and kill an entire army of hunters. 

Who ever using the hunters was stupid then. You cant beat hunters with guass.

Yes, you can.  It's really quite easy...

Just move your gauss left to right, up down, or a varation.  The hunters will attempt to follow, but being slow, can't catch up, so you keep moving to avoid their fire.  And low and behold, a dead hunter army.

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Felix:

I FJ I:But hunters can move and shoot. Also, for the guass to shoot, it has to be in range of the hutners beam. There no fighting hunters with assult beam when you have guass, you can not just out micro the hogs.

They can't move fast.  Honestly, you can just move back and fourth and kill an entire army of hunters. 

Who ever using the hunters was stupid then. You cant beat hunters with guass.

Yes, you can.  It's really quite easy...

Just move your gauss left to right, up down, or a varation.  The hunters will attempt to follow, but being slow, can't catch up, so you keep moving to avoid their fire.  And low and behold, a dead hunter army.

You cant beat hunters with guass. I have never lost to guass with hunters. Just use some hunter micro.

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I FJ I:But hunters can move and shoot. Also, for the guass to shoot, it has to be in range of the hutners beam. There no fighting hunters with assult beam when you have guass, you can not just out micro the hogs.

They can't move fast.  Honestly, you can just move back and fourth and kill an entire army of hunters. 

Who ever using the hunters was stupid then. You cant beat hunters with guass.

Yes, you can.  It's really quite easy...

Just move your gauss left to right, up down, or a varation.  The hunters will attempt to follow, but being slow, can't catch up, so you keep moving to avoid their fire.  And low and behold, a dead hunter army.

You cant beat hunters with guass. I have never lost to guass with hunters. Just use some hunter micro.

Oh yes you can...

Gauss micro is much easier to do than hunter micro.  Again, just move and shoot, move and shoot.

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Felix:

I FJ I:But hunters can move and shoot. Also, for the guass to shoot, it has to be in range of the hutners beam. There no fighting hunters with assult beam when you have guass, you can not just out micro the hogs.

They can't move fast.  Honestly, you can just move back and fourth and kill an entire army of hunters. 

Who ever using the hunters was stupid then. You cant beat hunters with guass.

Yes, you can.  It's really quite easy...

Just move your gauss left to right, up down, or a varation.  The hunters will attempt to follow, but being slow, can't catch up, so you keep moving to avoid their fire.  And low and behold, a dead hunter army.

You cant beat hunters with guass. I have never lost to guass with hunters. Just use some hunter micro.

Oh yes you can...

Gauss micro is much easier to do than hunter micro.  Again, just move and shoot, move and shoot.

The range for hunters is practicly same as guass. Anyone with semi acceptable micro can kill hogs with hunters.

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I think Hunters with Spirit Bond work more effectively, based on the fact that Hogs are fast, they Micro around Hunters with ease, and if the Hunter has Assualt Beam, then the Beam drags behind their target if the target is moving.
If the Hogs are sitting still and not Micro'ing then yes, Assualt beam is better, but most good players Micro their Units and as said, with Hogs that renders Assualt Beam near to Useless.
The only other advantage that Assualt Beam gives is that it adds the additional health, giving the Hunters more chance of surviving shots.
BUT, as its already been said, i'd LOVE to see you get to Assualt Beam by the time Anders has Guass Hogs ripping up your base. I think you'd probably have Spirit Bond with about 8 Hunters.

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I know that hunters kill gauss easily. I totally get that. That's not the issue though.

 

The problem is that gauss does too much damage vs hunters. Since hunters are a direct counter, the gauss should only be about 50% effective against hunters. They nerfed the gauss damage vs tanks, why not hunters too? Makes no sense.

 

And to whoever said banshees are a better counter, they are not. They have the same weapon as hunter but only shoot 1 fuel rod instead of 2. So even if they didn't have the air weakness, they are still weaker vs hogs.

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