how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

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  •  07-17-2009, 2:29 PM 657335 in reply to 657139

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    Good point, but in one book( I think Fall of Reach), even a person's hand is met with resistance when trying to touch a Spartan, though they might have been wearing gloves, but the gloves were unlikely to have been magnetic.

    Also I doubt wise bass18 was serious when he said that.


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  •  07-17-2009, 2:46 PM 657345 in reply to 657335

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    kylito1:

    Good point, but in one book( I think Fall of Reach), even a person's hand is met with resistance when trying to touch a Spartan, though they might have been wearing gloves, but the gloves were unlikely to have been magnetic.

    Also I doubt wise bass18 was serious when he said that.

     

    i figured so but still there are ALOT of stupid ppl on the internet  


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  •  07-17-2009, 10:52 PM 657733 in reply to 657139

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    i think they dont explain it in the novels or games is because the writers tend to keep it their science down to a certain level so that anyone can read it . if you put too many big words ppl get confused and stop reading. which is why most daily newspapers(that are still printed and not online) are written on a level that 12 year olds can understand

     

    That makes no sense at all. The novels are based on mature-rated video-games and it even features the warning on the back. Now is it a given fact that the majority of todays 12-13 year olds, and then epecially American kids, just don't read. Also, I'm sure the majority of the novels wasn't written with that target group in their minds at all, as the novels are really going above a twelve year old's head. They didn't hire Greg Bear, hard sci-fi novelist famous for novels like Eon, to write children's books.  Even assuming that would be absurd.

     

    the only difference between covenant ships shields and an elites is its scale and power supply. which on a starship that has a fusion reactor with greater power output than an elites micro fusion plant (im not sure that elites have microfusion plants in their armor as its never really mentioned what powers their shields)

     

    Is that a given fact? We know about the connection, to give an example, between the MAC cannon and the GAUSS cannon because the connection has been made by Bungie itself. Now I don't recall ever coming across a similar connection being made between the Starship shielding and the Sangheili shielding, ofcourse I don't know every little detail about the Haloverse from the top of my head so I could be wrong here.

  •  07-19-2009, 8:51 PM 659731 in reply to 657733

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    Shikoku16:

    i think they dont explain it in the novels or games is because the writers tend to keep it their science down to a certain level so that anyone can read it . if you put too many big words ppl get confused and stop reading. which is why most daily newspapers(that are still printed and not online) are written on a level that 12 year olds can understand

     

    That makes no sense at all. The novels are based on mature-rated video-games and it even features the warning on the back. Now is it a given fact that the majority of todays 12-13 year olds, and then epecially American kids, just don't read. Also, I'm sure the majority of the novels wasn't written with that target group in their minds at all, as the novels are really going above a twelve year old's head. They didn't hire Greg Bear, hard sci-fi novelist famous for novels like Eon, to write children's books.  Even assuming that would be absurd.

     

    the only difference between covenant ships shields and an elites is its scale and power supply. which on a starship that has a fusion reactor with greater power output than an elites micro fusion plant (im not sure that elites have microfusion plants in their armor as its never really mentioned what powers their shields)

     

    Is that a given fact? We know about the connection, to give an example, between the MAC cannon and the GAUSS cannon because the connection has been made by Bungie itself. Now I don't recall ever coming across a similar connection being made between the Starship shielding and the Sangheili shielding, ofcourse I don't know every little detail about the Haloverse from the top of my head so I could be wrong here.

     

     there really isn't a direct connection, its more on observation of how the shields on covenant ships are described in the novels.  visually both elites shields and their ships shields respond in the same way, they are invisible to they until they are impacted with an object at which point you are able to see a rough outline of the shields magnetic field(if how i described them in the begining is in fact how they work)

    based on this observation i draw the conclusion that both types of shields work in a similar way but in a much larger scale. i dont care if you think im wrong as a may very well be, it is just an observation.  if you think you have a better theory post it


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  •  07-20-2009, 12:33 AM 659946 in reply to 659731

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

     

     there really isn't a direct connection, its more on observation of how the shields on covenant ships are described in the novels.  visually both elites shields and their ships shields respond in the same way, they are invisible to they until they are impacted with an object at which point you are able to see a rough outline of the shields magnetic field(if how i described them in the begining is in fact how they work)

    based on this observation i draw the conclusion that both types of shields work in a similar way but in a much larger scale. i dont care if you think im wrong as a may very well be, it is just an observation.  if you think you have a better theory post it

     

    I don't care about what you may believe, everyone is entitled to have they're own opinion. I do care however about people presenting conjecture as fact, so it was merely to clear that up for others rather than for you.

  •  07-20-2009, 11:04 PM 661291 in reply to 608468

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    Well i agree with you on yur theory on most parts but colour actually plays a biggg role in terms of defining the intensity of plasma. Blue plasma would be extemely hot in fact hotter than red plasma and green hence the fact plasma rifles do more damage than plasma pistols and brute plasma rifles. This is all from the spectrum theory. White coloured gases or light produce the most heat while right under white comes blue then green then so on and red being actually the weakest. Nowwww honestly I think i've read this before but shields are just simply charged particles that are manipulated and contained in a magnetic field and basically burn anything coming at high velocities sooo if a human being were to interact with a shield they wouldn't be harmed unless they went in a Ferrari and charhed that top speed and went for it =P
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  •  07-20-2009, 11:21 PM 661304 in reply to 608468

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    sparticus 37:stop me if you think im wrong but heres how i think most of the shields in the Halo universe operate. in basic form most of the shields are nothing more than a very well manipulated magnetic field whose polarity is constantly changing from positive to negative  over certain sections of the shield layer so that the polarity of of the entire shield in not the same over a wide surface area. it is this ever changing magnetic polarity that allows the shield to stop both bullets and plasma because plasma is nothing but a gas with a specific charge it too is either positive or negative. in the covenant whose shields have a specific color( like a jackals shield or the shield walls) it is caused by one of two things 1: the shields magnetic field is contains a plasma sandwiched between it or  the magnetic field is stripping electrons away for surrounding gas particles near the shields surface to generate a plasma to give it color. as for the sparkle effect that happens when a shields takes a hit it can be because of heat from friction or in the case of plasma  the particles are just spreading out because of the superheated plasma.   the shimmer from when a shield fails it could be because of the electrons that were contained in the magnetic field from any ionized gas suddenly releasing into the environment kinda like mini lightning bolts all along the magnetic field. this effect can happen both in a planets atmosphere and in space(all the charged particles released by any star found i a solar system). so what i saying is that a person can not really see the shields in halo what you are seeing is nothing more than charged particles or gasses along the shields surface.  (PM me if you want simpler terms it would have taken up too much room in the post so i didnt break it down.)

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  •  07-24-2009, 1:51 AM 666066 in reply to 661304

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    Magnetic fields and charged particles wouldn't work.  The charged particles would simply discharge into everything around them constantly, and the MJOLNIR's fusion pack simply couldn't generate enough power to run the magnets, which would get very very hot too.  (idk what the exact pwr output of teh pack is, it was mentioned in one of the books i think , like a few meawatts or something, but not enough to maintain that kind of electromagnet.)
  •  07-24-2009, 12:57 PM 666806 in reply to 666066

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    This theory is good, but I don't think it is how it works. Elite shields only stop projectiles at a certain velocity, which would mean it can't be on and in constant flux.
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  •  07-24-2009, 1:11 PM 666819 in reply to 611905

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    AntonioZer0:Verry interesting point. I think you may be right, however im not as sure on the bullets as much as the plasma. Please explain this more. I like when people actually consider phisics in these forums instead of just saying "They hav better technology." However to further the query bubble shield= ;aser=beam of concentrated light. Transparent lets light through. The Fact the a bubble shield can block a laser is physicaly impossible.
    Waves are subject to interference so - as light is a wave, couldn't it be possible for the light to block the other light?  Although if that was the case, then I can't see how ordinary metal bullets would be stopped.

  •  07-24-2009, 9:31 PM 667441 in reply to 656462

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  •  07-25-2009, 1:04 PM 668195 in reply to 608468

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  •  07-26-2009, 9:45 PM 669914 in reply to 666819

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    AntonioZer0:Verry interesting point. I think you may be right, however im not as sure on the bullets as much as the plasma. Please explain this more. I like when people actually consider phisics in these forums instead of just saying "They hav better technology." However to further the query bubble shield= ;aser=beam of concentrated light. Transparent lets light through. The Fact the a bubble shield can block a laser is physicaly impossible.
    Waves are subject to interference so - as light is a wave, couldn't it be possible for the light to block the other light?  Although if that was the case, then I can't see how ordinary metal bullets would be stopped.

    techinically light is both a wave and a particle, so it is possible for light to block light but as to how a shield using a magnetic fulx principle would block it is something i dont have an answer for yet. however i can give you a basic concept( meaning speculation and unanswered points) on how the anti gravity tech for both covenant and forerunner works, and what might be the power source in forerunner ships. while it may be speculation it is in my opinion pretty good speculation given the limited stuff to work off


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  •  07-30-2009, 1:57 AM 674071 in reply to 669914

    Re: how shields in halo work (contains basic physics terms)

    sparticus 37:
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    AntonioZer0:Verry interesting point. I think you may be right, however im not as sure on the bullets as much as the plasma. Please explain this more. I like when people actually consider phisics in these forums instead of just saying "They hav better technology." However to further the query bubble shield= ;aser=beam of concentrated light. Transparent lets light through. The Fact the a bubble shield can block a laser is physicaly impossible.
    Waves are subject to interference so - as light is a wave, couldn't it be possible for the light to block the other light?  Although if that was the case, then I can't see how ordinary metal bullets would be stopped.

    techinically light is both a wave and a particle, so it is possible for light to block light but as to how a shield using a magnetic fulx principle would block it is something i dont have an answer for yet. however i can give you a basic concept( meaning speculation and unanswered points) on how the anti gravity tech for both covenant and forerunner works, and what might be the power source in forerunner ships. while it may be speculation it is in my opinion pretty good speculation given the limited stuff to work off

    Bubble shields  are stolen furrunner tech that work in a similar way (im guessing) to the shields on sentinels that pop into place before the hazard arrives, stops it, then turns off to save energy.  As such it is possible the same happens with the laser. The shield could be at minimum power untill it detects a large energy build up then blasts max strength to fend off the attack.  How is far beyond my understanding though, be it magnetic fields, or something more advanced.

  •  07-30-2009, 2:05 AM 674077 in reply to 661291

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    Dtiger02:Well i agree with you on yur theory on most parts but colour actually plays a biggg role in terms of defining the intensity of plasma. Blue plasma would be extemely hot in fact hotter than red plasma and green hence the fact plasma rifles do more damage than plasma pistols and brute plasma rifles. This is all from the spectrum theory. White coloured gases or light produce the most heat while right under white comes blue then green then so on and red being actually the weakest. Nowwww honestly I think i've read this before but shields are just simply charged particles that are manipulated and contained in a magnetic field and basically burn anything coming at high velocities sooo if a human being were to interact with a shield they wouldn't be harmed unless they went in a Ferrari and charhed that top speed and went for it =P

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    AntonioZer0:Verry interesting point. I think you may be right, however im not as sure on the bullets as much as the plasma. Please explain this more. I like when people actually consider phisics in these forums instead of just saying "They hav better technology." However to further the query bubble shield= ;aser=beam of concentrated light. Transparent lets light through. The Fact the a bubble shield can block a laser is physicaly impossible.
    Waves are subject to interference so - as light is a wave, couldn't it be possible for the light to block the other light?  Although if that was the case, then I can't see how ordinary metal bullets would be stopped.

    techinically light is both a wave and a particle, so it is possible for light to block light but as to how a shield using a magnetic fulx principle would block it is something i dont have an answer for yet. however i can give you a basic concept( meaning speculation and unanswered points) on how the anti gravity tech for both covenant and forerunner works, and what might be the power source in forerunner ships. while it may be speculation it is in my opinion pretty good speculation given the limited stuff to work off

    Bubble shields  are stolen furrunner tech that work in a similar way (im guessing) to the shields on sentinels that pop into place before the hazard arrives, stops it, then turns off to save energy.  As such it is possible the same happens with the laser. The shield could be at minimum power untill it detects a large energy build up then blasts max strength to fend off the attack.  How is far beyond my understanding though, be it magnetic fields, or something more advanced.

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