Spirit of Fire in atmosphere? Thoughts on in atmosphere flight of large vessels.

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  •  03-22-2009, 2:42 AM 518980 in reply to 518447

    Re: Spirit of Fire in atmosphere? Thoughts on in atmosphere flight of large vessels.

    So we are down to magic then eh.  Sigh.  I can't think of anyway around it, she is just too large for thrusters.  Its to bad ES did not stick with realism on this one
  •  03-22-2009, 3:04 AM 518991 in reply to 516705

    Re: Spirit of Fire in atmosphere? Thoughts on in atmosphere flight of large vessels.

    Jovial Bias:He has a point, even with things like the AV-14 or the Sparrowhawk you see big vectored thrust fans on the aircraft, there are no such fans on either a Frigate, such as Forward Unto Dawn, or the Spirit of Fire, which begs the question how they do it, although they could probably use Harrier style resistojets running off the ships reactor, you would expect to see some evidence of that, especially as that would probably kick up lots of spray and stuff on that Ocean they float over quite low for a while.

    Alrighty then so next time we make a halo game we'll slap some giant fans on the rook and sides and that'll solve the problem and nobody can complain...

     

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  •  03-22-2009, 3:11 AM 518994 in reply to 518991

    Re: Spirit of Fire in atmosphere? Thoughts on in atmosphere flight of large vessels.

    Also, since you guys care so god dam much about canon and stuff, you would think you would pay attention to the fact that in halo 2 and halo: First strike, it is stated that the covenant DIDN'T KNOW HUMANS WERE ON EARTH!

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  •  03-22-2009, 3:13 AM 518995 in reply to 518980

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    Raptor341:So we are down to magic then eh.  Sigh.  I can't think of anyway around it, she is just too large for thrusters.  Its to bad ES did not stick with realism on this one

    Well then neither did Bungie.

    The Forward Unto Dawn "hovers" on the Ark, as well as on the last level- hanging magically in place as it waits for you to ramp into it's hanger.

    The In Amber Clad floats gently through Earth's atmosphere in New Mombasa, as well as hovering in place as the Pelicans are deployed in the beginning of the level.

    There are some times where we have to just sit back and accept advance technology in video games and sci-fi stories. How is FTL possible? How can energy shielding be possible, especially dispersed over a suit of armor? How can Jackal shields retain a circular shape? How do Energy Swords stay in shape?

    How do lightsabers know when to stop?

    There are some things we cannot question. The Spirit of Fire hovering above ground is one of these. If you're willing to nit-pick the game this much, then perhaps you don't need to play the game.


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  •  03-22-2009, 4:52 AM 519058 in reply to 518995

    Re: Spirit of Fire in atmosphere? Thoughts on in atmosphere flight of large vessels.

    Don't worry about it too much. Just ask yourself, would you rather three boring pelicans giving you the scopions in 'The Ark' or would you rather this awesome huge Frigate which completely covers the sky and just leaks awesomeness?

     And also adding to the list of non-realistic things in Halo...

    How do plasma mortars on wraiths retain their shape and why are they affected by gravity?

    Halopedia says something about magnetic fields, but it never really made sense to me.


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  •  03-22-2009, 8:41 AM 519154 in reply to 518994

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    Dragonfire101:Also, since you guys care so god dam much about canon and stuff, you would think you would pay attention to the fact that in halo 2 and halo: First strike, it is stated that the covenant DIDN'T KNOW HUMANS WERE ON EARTH!

    The Covenant didn't know humans were on Earth until Regret came here.  Regret didn't even know.  All he expected was to find some world with a few Forerunner relics.  Regret thought the Ark was on Earth.  Once he arrived and saw the humans on Earth Regret went straight for the Ark.  He was hoping to get to it before his fleet was wiped out.  So rather than retreating and waiting for support from a larger fleet Regret barged in hoping to be the one to activate the Ark.

     Of course we all know Regret was forced to flee.  Truth was very angry at Regret for barging in and leading the humans to the Ark or at least in the right direction.  Truth then engaged Earth with a mark larger force.

     Initially Regret found out humans were on Earth by mistake.  He was not expecting to find the human homeworld when he came to Earth.  He was actually pretty suprised when he found humans here at all.  Once here though it was pretty obvious that humans were around. 

  •  03-22-2009, 8:47 AM 519158 in reply to 518995

    Re: Spirit of Fire in atmosphere? Thoughts on in atmosphere flight of large vessels.

    the Oceanborn:

    Raptor341:So we are down to magic then eh.  Sigh.  I can't think of anyway around it, she is just too large for thrusters.  Its to bad ES did not stick with realism on this one

    Well then neither did Bungie.

    The Forward Unto Dawn "hovers" on the Ark, as well as on the last level- hanging magically in place as it waits for you to ramp into it's hanger.

    The In Amber Clad floats gently through Earth's atmosphere in New Mombasa, as well as hovering in place as the Pelicans are deployed in the beginning of the level.

    There are some times where we have to just sit back and accept advance technology in video games and sci-fi stories. How is FTL possible? How can energy shielding be possible, especially dispersed over a suit of armor? How can Jackal shields retain a circular shape? How do Energy Swords stay in shape?

    How do lightsabers know when to stop?

    There are some things we cannot question. The Spirit of Fire hovering above ground is one of these. If you're willing to nit-pick the game this much, then perhaps you don't need to play the game.

    Those who are questioning various aspecs of the story are not nit picking ,as you put it.  We are merely discussing the story.  It makes no sense in the storyline so we are asking how it might be possible within the Haloverse.  We do understand it is only game, though thank you for pointing that fact out.  Honestly thanks. 

    The point is we like our STORY to make sense and this aspec doesn't add up for those who follow the story beyond the games.

  •  03-22-2009, 3:19 PM 519534 in reply to 519158

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    Thank you V101 for saying what i was thinking.  Its not that we are trying to nit pick, im not.  I just want some talk about it, or ideas at least.  On the Red vs Blue forums there was a big thread on the tech used in Halo, whats real, whats not, and how it could or could not be used.  The Halo story is well made, and is the most "realistic" one that i know of in many ways ( not all but many, like how they show spacebattles vs something like starwars).  Plasma weapons all make sence, and so does magnetic fields to control and contain them.  Slipspace is a theory.  I was simply wanting to talk about things in Halo Wars that DONT go along with the rest of the works, like the SoF.  However, your very right, the Foward unto Dawn and In Amber Clad should not be in flight but are for gameplay.  I know that.  Because it looks cool.  Still doesnt mean its right but it just is.  I am currently making a mod for Halo CE PC that is a realism based mod that will change gameplay to better match the books, aka, highter weapons damage all around, plasma that kills very effectively, AI that really tries everything it can do to kill you and so on.  I know that bungie does stuff for gameplay ( dont even get me started on why the plasma pistol would be the best weapon in Halo 3 if it was true to the books, but does nothing in game ) but thats just how it is.  I just wanted to see peoples thoughs on issues with the story like flight in atmosphere that should be in but are, and how it could or could not be done in the Haloverce. 

    please keep the flaming down, we dont need that

  •  03-25-2009, 7:02 PM 524643 in reply to 516208

    Re: Spirit of Fire in atmosphere? Thoughts on in atmosphere flight of large vessels.

    well here is a thought how the h--- did the UNSC mimic gravity, i mean everyone stands on the ship as if in atmosphere, instead of floating around?

    once again we all must agree that this was for gameplay(it would seem odd having tanks floating around in the hanger,or werever they store them in a ship.)

  •  03-25-2009, 7:46 PM 524744 in reply to 524643

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    Ok i will say that it is wired that the SoF can fly in atmosphere, but at the same it wired that at the same time there hovering NEXT TO A SUN!!! IT NOT A PLANET PEOPLE!! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE1 SAME THING FOR THE ARK. ITS MORE  LIKE  THEIR HOVERING NEXT TO A LARGE ROCK IN SPACE OR IN SIDE ONE... but that is just my opion. I could be wrong, but thats kind of a big thing to miss..
  •  03-26-2009, 2:01 PM 525621 in reply to 524744

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    mabe i have something wrong but was the sof having trouble flying near the ocean or was that a covie defence trap? and also the planet sof was in may have had a weaker gravity than many people might expect. remember its not earth and the planet might be smaller
  •  03-26-2009, 2:20 PM 525648 in reply to 525621

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    smaller? smaller? there is a d***ed sun in the planet
  •  03-26-2009, 2:29 PM 525664 in reply to 525648

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    lol calm down a little mark. the sof on the tenth mission was in the atmosphere above a ocean. seriously is there a ocean of water  hehe in the same area *laughs* as a star ? hmm how does a sun get that close to planet without vaporizing every living thing ?or even stranger inside a planet ?
  •  03-26-2009, 2:30 PM 525665 in reply to 525648

    Re: Spirit of Fire in atmosphere? Thoughts on in atmosphere flight of large vessels.

    The point is, UNSC ships are not made to fly inside atmospheres.  It's against there design.  The UNSC hasn't made anti-gravity pulposion yet, so they can't fly or hover inside an atmosphere.
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  •  03-26-2009, 2:33 PM 525672 in reply to 525665

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    yea so case closed unsc ships cant fly in atmosphere unless designed to do so. unless its like the moon or something thats a drama effect for the games like the ship in halo 3 on ark 
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