Lyonpride:

sp4rt4n:

Lyonpride:

sp4rt4n:

Lyonpride:

Im like that one guy in the books who hates spartans.

I dont hate spartans, but ODSTs beat spartans in numbers.

There were what only 33 spartans or something and like 29 died?

Quoted from Halopedia

"The Spartan Laser is currently the most expensive weapon to produce known. It costs 218,000.00 cR, more than the cost of four fully armed Warthogs, 134 MA5B Assault Rifles, or over 7,266 M9 Fragmentation Grenades."

Now guess how much one spartan is?

With all that money you could easily do much more.

How good is that spartan lazer able to rip through enemy armor with ease. So what if the spartans cost a lot they are still worth making. ODSTs die to easy. If a spartan dies i am sure that he had a kill count more than any ODST. Spartans had more confirmed kills than all three divisions of ODST. Thats sad 33 of them have more kills than the 50,000 ODSTs. Exactly so you tell me whats a waste of money.

You must have skimed through my post... I meant that if spartans were never made, the money spent on them could have been directed towards

new weapons, new tech, or a wide variety of other things to make ODSTs better. The "Confirmed" kill count is broken and doesnt mean squat,

the UNSC cheats for the spartans so that morale wont go down. When you take away the 33 units you could almost make the 50,000

units twice as good.

So basically you would make ODST as good as spartans with shielding aguments and everything else. That would cost ten fold the spartan program. Besides spartans weren't even suppose to fight the covenant. The program would have given the UNSCa good what 10 extra ships that would lose to 3 or 4 covenant ships. I think it would just have been a waste of money if they did not make the spartans. They would of just tried to make more ships that would of done nothing. Anyway somewhere among the line they would see how bad the UNSC was doing and still make some sort of super soilders. Like super ODST's and they would still make way less. Plus if they did try to agument the ODST that would kill like all of them. Spartans had special genetic requirments that made them better then the average humans. So there you have it either way if spartans were not made the covenant would of won more ground engaments, also the war. Then the flood would have came and finished off everyone else. If it wasn't for spartans their would not have been a happy ending for halo 1,2,and 3. UNSC would of lost

No spartans= everyone dies flood win, forerunners whole plan to save everyone gone.

Spartans= UNSC and humanity survives, elites join UNSC, flood loses, covenant break apart. All of this because of 33 super soilders

Lyon you can have all your ODST they still would never ever match up to spartans

I never once said anything about agumenting the ODSTs, I said weapons and tech...

I also noticed you didnt say anything about the kill count, so I guess I won that.

Honestly we did win because of the spartans, however whos to say we wouldnt have if we upgraded ODSTs?

You?...you have the right to opinion, but your opinion is not fact.

I gave my opinion in which is better, and your trying to argue over my opinion?

Im a little rusty of the halo storyline but the elites didnt join us because of spartans they joined because the brutes were taking over er sumtin.

 

so, your saying that the odst's might have been able to win the war if they were upgraded? to near sparten ability? then wouldent that make them spartens, and wouldent that mkean ur actually saying spartens are better 0.0

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okay srsly R41 thats just exactly wat i was gettin at, ur actin like a FICTION academic, which is just pathetic.  lol and really u didnt get the sarcasm about the MLB, just sad. the live 5+ days w/o food/water...its a lil game called Halo:CE ever heard of it, fighting for days, no hot pockets, no koolaid? if u dont consider 5 months old wtf?

 

and please u gotta understand sarcasm, learn from Fuad, from family guy

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okay srsly R41 thats just exactly wat i was gettin at, ur actin like a FICTION academic, which is just pathetic.

You mean you were actually getting at something? Just because you don't want to look like a "FICTION Academic" doesn't mean the rest of us are embarrassed by it. Here's the thing; you're posting on a Halo forum. Either you know something about Halo, or you're subject to "ridicule" for looking like a jackass.

PimpedCookies:

lol and really u didnt get the sarcasm about the MLB, just sad

Sarcasm is very hard to put into text. What I understood was a poor argument, and so I tried to steer you in the right direction. I now see you're a lost cause. Just sad.

PimpedCookies:

the live 5+ days w/o food/water...its a lil game called Halo:CE ever heard of it, fighting for days, no hot pockets, no koolaid?

Here's the thing; the campaign in Halo: Combat Evolved spanned only four days. While it may have taken you months to beat, that's how long the story was. In those four days- if you had truly "browsed the books," you would have read that John-117 had a chance to get some R&R with the ODST's at their base. Once again, I was trying to help you. But, such is life.

PimpedCookies:

if u dont consider 5 months old wtf?

I would consider 6 months to be a regular, and at least 8-9 months as old. While I don't think in terms of "senior" members (because some of them act absolutely childish,) I do have to draw the line somewhere.

PimpedCookies:

and please u gotta understand sarcasm, learn from Fuad, from family guy

Trust me, sarcasm is not wasted on me. I deal with it on a daily basis. However as I said previously, sarcasm is hard to translate into text.

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Current Fan Fictions in the Library:

ODST: Hellbound

The Interrogation of Ellen Anders

Halo: Archangel

PimpedCookies:

okay srsly R41 thats just exactly wat i was gettin at, ur actin like a FICTION academic, which is just pathetic.  lol and really u didnt get the sarcasm about the MLB, just sad. the live 5+ days w/o food/water...its a lil game called Halo:CE ever heard of it, fighting for days, no hot pockets, no koolaid? if u dont consider 5 months old wtf?

 

and please u gotta understand sarcasm, learn from Fuad, from family guy

im going to take a guess and assume that spartans didnt really eat but had the necessary nutrients pumped into their bloodstream through an IV in the suit. it makes sense because it would eliminate a need to "get rid of waste" during a battle.

spartans have sheilds and are not supcetible to flood infestation because they are cyborgs, but seeing as master cheif is the only 1 possibly left its quite obvious that skills count more than strength. so while those spartans were dying with there oversheilds and genetically enhanced strengths. ODST were fighting the same battles without that crap and doing pretty *** good so if the money went to ODST upgrades instead of spartan developement for instance a small sheild to increase survivability rates they would be much more effective than spartans with their numbers and i'm sure a small sheild could be given to their army.................now if they were only able to resist the flood. Oh wait the elites joined and kick flood ass anyway.

The verdict ODST kick ass

Shadow Ninja:

spartans have sheilds and are not supcetible to flood infestation because they are cyborgs,

This is a common misconception. The Spartan II's are not cyborgs. Cyborgs are individuals who have robotic attachments to their body in a surgical manner. For instance, Robocop. Hell, even people with prosthetic limbs that operate off brainwaves (if those even exist) could be considered cyborgs. Something like Detective Spooner in "I, Robot." 

The Spartan II's have biological enhancements, and mechanical augmentation through their MJOLNIR power suits only. Once they're out of the armor, they're pure biological. This does not make them cyborgs. As for their resilience to the Flood, this is unknown. The only confirmed Spartan to encounter the Flood is John-117, and the Infection Form never made it to the point of infecting him before it was killed. Johnson, while a speculative Spartan I, survived the Flood in corrolation to his Borren's Syndrome. It's unconfirmed if he's a Spartan I, with Borren's Syndrome being a cover for this. 

Shadow Ninja:

but seeing as master cheif is the only 1 possibly left its quite obvious that skills count more than strength.

John-117 is not the only Spartan remaining. Even still, the ammount of Covenant that the Spartans faced on Reach makes their loses more than justified. How many Covenant did the Spartans kill before they eventually fell? An ODST squad of the same number would have fallen far quicker than the Spartans did. 

Even still, the Spartans have far more advanced training, not just the enhanced strength, than an ODST. This cannot be denied. Spartans are physically and tactically superior to the ODST.

Shadow Ninja:

so while those spartans were dying with there oversheilds and genetically enhanced strengths. ODST were fighting the same battles without that crap and doing pretty *** good

No, not really. They were dying along side regular Marines. The Spartans fought unimaginable odds on Reach, while the ODST have never faced something so massive. How often do your ODST allies last in Halo 2 and 3? They die pretty d*mn quick.

Shadow Ninja:

so if the money went to ODST upgrades instead of spartan developement for instance a small sheild to increase survivability rates they would be much more effective than spartans with their numbers

Okay, let's theoretically give the ODST personal shields. They don't have the bioenhancements necessary to support the MJOLNIR armor, and lack any enhancements to strength, agility, reflex speed, etc. So they have shields. A single overcharged Plasma Pistol bolt takes out that shield. An energy sword still cuts through their inferior armor, Brutes still beat them to a pulp, and Jackals are able to snipe them with a greater kill chance. 

So where's the advantage?

Shadow Ninja:

now if they were only able to resist the flood. Oh wait the elites joined and kick flood ass anyway.

You've officially become an idiot. If the Elites are fighting the Flood for the ODST, then there's no point in arguing their superiority! They still need someone to fight for them! You know who a Spartan needs to fight the Flood for them? NO ONE! Even still, the Elites get infected just as easily as humans do; you fight several Elite Combat forms. Good gods...

Shadow Ninja:

The verdict ODST kick ass

Yes, the ODST kick ass. But Spartans kick much, much more.

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Current Fan Fictions in the Library:

ODST: Hellbound

The Interrogation of Ellen Anders

Halo: Archangel

ive said it once ill say it again. spartans were not shielded for the majority of their combat lives. some never used it and still kicked major ass

Spartan i think this one of the few things we can agree on before debating it

Oh, I'm sure there's much more than a few things, fiery. I'm not that bad of a guy, I can just get a little objective at times. Like Phoenix Wright.

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Current Fan Fictions in the Library:

ODST: Hellbound

The Interrogation of Ellen Anders

Halo: Archangel

Johnson is a Confirmed Spartan I.

 I Love Bees told us that the Spartan I project was codenamed: Project Orion.

In Contact Harvest, when they look at his service record on Earth, Orion is listed.

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Vigil will never be defeated.

Personally? I fully believe that Johnson is a Spartan I. I just said that to keep the opposing faction (he's not an S-1) from flaming.

But if he's been confirmed, then awesome :D

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Current Fan Fictions in the Library:

ODST: Hellbound

The Interrogation of Ellen Anders

Halo: Archangel

Spartans for sure Stronger,Faster more likely invincible

The reason why they lost Reach(Actually they won...but with a lot of sacrifices) is because only hundreads of Spartans defended Reach against a huge armada of Covenant fleet

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Alpha Team- OH $#1+!!!! Scarab!!!!All leader Powers activate!!!

Scarab- hey man WTF?! WTF?!!! HEY STOP...BOOM

Arbiter- *** Vultures!

Reach was glassed beyond the point of swift recovery. It fell. They lost Reach.

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Current Fan Fictions in the Library:

ODST: Hellbound

The Interrogation of Ellen Anders

Halo: Archangel

How hard do you think they fought to protect it and how do you know that spartans did not get off Reach.

(I am not arguing i agree with you 100%)

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I've been perma-banned at bungie.net :(

Why are we even having this debate if it deals with the canon.  Doesn't someone mention in one of the books that Spartans have more kills than multiple brigades of ODSTs?  There are typically 5,000 soldiers in one brigade, at least nowadays.  So 20 some odd Spartans did better than multiple brigades of ODSTs and yet we are still having this debate.