Master Chief is Dead, Lemme Tell You Why

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  •  08-30-2010, 3:50 AM 928650 in reply to 928644

    Re: Master Chief is Dead, Lemme Tell You Why

    Cortana moves the ice ore dust on the cryo-chamber where MC is in. That's normal ? 
    Has any of you listen to the commentary for halo legends ?
    (c)2010
  •  08-30-2010, 3:53 AM 928653 in reply to 928650

    Re: Master Chief is Dead, Lemme Tell You Why

    darkbelg:Cortana moves the ice ore dust on the cryo-chamber where MC is in. That's normal ? 
    Has any of you listen to the commentary for halo legends ?

    That's BS: The concept of light-heavy holograms ahs allways been, and will continue to be 100 percent genuine BS. Halo legends got it wrong, and to be honest i've always considered Halo-wars to be reletively adept at keeping it's loyalty to science up-to-date: By introducing the concept of a light-heavy hologram, I would have to take a dump in the Halo-franchise's face.


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  •  08-30-2010, 4:10 AM 928656 in reply to 928653

    Re: Master Chief is Dead, Lemme Tell You Why

    if you don't accept all knowledge there is. Why would you even consider making theory's ore fight them ? Remember she's  the only AI with the knowledge of the forerunners. 
    (c)2010
  •  08-30-2010, 4:21 AM 928657 in reply to 928646

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    xXx Failure xXx:
    jackalo:
    darkbelg:
    DFang:
    AlCapone111:

    Also his arguement about power on the ship? Flawed by todays tech. We have nuclear subs and boats that can be powered for thousands of years. I guarentee that by 2500+ something better and even more efficient would have come along. Plus the reactor is in the back half of the ship, so MC is set for a good while

    Then with Cortana going rampant, she has already felt what it is like at the hands of Gravemind. So she is ready for it, and accepts it.

     

    Personally, i think he is alive.  And while i really want a "Halo 4" to give me more answers, I'm happy.

    Then there's the theory that Cortana entered meta-stability when chief saved her, so maybe she won't go rampant. :|


    alright halo :legends busts that idea. Cortana is no longer normal that's true. But now she has touch and she can move objects.
    MC is in a coma not alive not dead. Where there is evil there is good. Now that there is no more evil there is no more place fore good ore a warrior. She's keeping him asleep.

    Now is the question is MC in luck that he doesn't get found ore is he lucky to get found when another war rises.
    there will always be war and there will always be warriors

     

    She just flashes a lot in Legends. She seems perfectly sane to me just her hologram is damaged.

    In legends the 'flashes' actually signify she's damaged and is begining to die: It dosen't suggest she's begining rampancy(which is impossible, since UNSC programs arn't that advanced anyway). The code is just begining to decay, and she's in the first processes of an AI dying.

    Just because it could mean that doesn't mean it has to. My old computer monitor was fuzzy and the colours flashed occasionally. My computer still worked fine.

     

    xXx Failure xXx:

    That's BS: The concept of light-heavy holograms ahs allways been, and will continue to be 100 percent genuine BS. Halo legends got it wrong, and to be honest i've always considered Halo-wars to be reletively adept at keeping it's loyalty to science up-to-date: By introducing the concept of a light-heavy hologram, I would have to take a dump in the Halo-franchise's face. 

    Do you have to be told again? All the science in sci-fi is bs. Sci-fi where the science was realistic would be very very boring.

  •  08-30-2010, 8:06 AM 928676 in reply to 928657

    Re: Master Chief is Dead, Lemme Tell You Why

    xXx Failure xXx:
    jackalo:
    darkbelg:
    DFang:
    AlCapone111:

    Also his arguement about power on the ship? Flawed by todays tech. We have nuclear subs and boats that can be powered for thousands of years. I guarentee that by 2500+ something better and even more efficient would have come along. Plus the reactor is in the back half of the ship, so MC is set for a good while

    Then with Cortana going rampant, she has already felt what it is like at the hands of Gravemind. So she is ready for it, and accepts it.

     

    Personally, i think he is alive.  And while i really want a "Halo 4" to give me more answers, I'm happy.

    Then there's the theory that Cortana entered meta-stability when chief saved her, so maybe she won't go rampant. :|


    alright halo :legends busts that idea. Cortana is no longer normal that's true. But now she has touch and she can move objects.
    MC is in a coma not alive not dead. Where there is evil there is good. Now that there is no more evil there is no more place fore good ore a warrior. She's keeping him asleep.

    Now is the question is MC in luck that he doesn't get found ore is he lucky to get found when another war rises.
    there will always be war and there will always be warriors

     

    She just flashes a lot in Legends. She seems perfectly sane to me just her hologram is damaged.

    In legends the 'flashes' actually signify she's damaged and is begining to die: It dosen't suggest she's begining rampancy(which is impossible, since UNSC programs arn't that advanced anyway). The code is just begining to decay, and she's in the first processes of an AI dying.

    The flashes signify that the holo-projector crap is weakening.  Code cannot decay.  The only way a UNSC AI "died" anyways was through rampancy, where they could no longer help the humans and became a minor threat.


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  •  08-30-2010, 10:01 AM 928687 in reply to 928645

    Re: Master Chief is Dead, Lemme Tell You Why

    xXx Failure xXx:
    fiery grave:

    That makes so little sense it hurts................

    he is frozen till another time, but how does legends bust that idea? and legends is considered low cannon because half the stuff from that is untrue 

     

     

    But I did have another theory for Cortana avoiding rampancy, since she can create an infinite number of clones of her self couldn't she possibly create a clone force it into rampancy and then when it is rampant instead of destroying it let it continue and if she had multiple clones go rampant and absorbed them back into her wouldn't she be able massively progress through rampancy in a short time, and since the the gravemind has the ability to cause an A.I. to go rampant (or corrupt it) when she kept making the clones to distract the gravemind and he kept corrupting them could she have gone rampant and become stable from doing this?

    This is impossible: She hasn't got the appropriate tools or physical form to clone herself, and further mreo she cound't become rampant unless she was corupted by a third-world source, for example the Flood Grave-mind, as in Halo 3 canon, UNSC 'smart' AI's will eventually burn themselves away after eight to nine years: They do not turn rampant after the said duration of time, they simply die away, and even if she was to be come rampant, the most she could do is try and shut-down the Chiefs cryo-mechanism, and even if she did, he would simply wake and upon making the realization that Cortana is rampant, he would discard her, and then resume cryo.

     

    she can clone her self, its an ability that she picked up from absorbing the covenant A.I. It was the only way she was able to fight off the Gravemind so easily. She also gain the ability to translate any covenant language from this.

     

    Smart A.I.'s after approximately 7 years of activation  go rampant, read this (I know its a wiki but its accurate) http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Rampancy 

     Dumb A.I.'s do not have this because they are very limited and created using programing code

    also if chief were to have discard Cortana he wouldn't be able to go back into cryo sleep, some one (Or a A.I.) would have to activate the chamber, he cannot activate the chamber and be in it at the some time

  •  08-30-2010, 10:19 AM 928689 in reply to 928687

    Re: Master Chief is Dead, Lemme Tell You Why

    fiery grave:
    xXx Failure xXx:
    fiery grave:

    That makes so little sense it hurts................

    he is frozen till another time, but how does legends bust that idea? and legends is considered low cannon because half the stuff from that is untrue 

     

     

    But I did have another theory for Cortana avoiding rampancy, since she can create an infinite number of clones of her self couldn't she possibly create a clone force it into rampancy and then when it is rampant instead of destroying it let it continue and if she had multiple clones go rampant and absorbed them back into her wouldn't she be able massively progress through rampancy in a short time, and since the the gravemind has the ability to cause an A.I. to go rampant (or corrupt it) when she kept making the clones to distract the gravemind and he kept corrupting them could she have gone rampant and become stable from doing this?

    This is impossible: She hasn't got the appropriate tools or physical form to clone herself, and further mreo she cound't become rampant unless she was corupted by a third-world source, for example the Flood Grave-mind, as in Halo 3 canon, UNSC 'smart' AI's will eventually burn themselves away after eight to nine years: They do not turn rampant after the said duration of time, they simply die away, and even if she was to be come rampant, the most she could do is try and shut-down the Chiefs cryo-mechanism, and even if she did, he would simply wake and upon making the realization that Cortana is rampant, he would discard her, and then resume cryo.

     

    , he cannot activate the chamber and be in it at the some time

    He's in space. Push a piece of metal slowly at the switch that turns it on then quickly get inside it before it hits the switch.

  •  08-30-2010, 11:25 AM 928693 in reply to 928689

    Re: Master Chief is Dead, Lemme Tell You Why

    jackalo:
    fiery grave: 

    , he cannot activate the chamber and be in it at the some time

    He's in space. Push a piece of metal slowly at the switch that turns it on then quickly get inside it before it hits the switch.

     

    thats only if the place to activate cryo is in the same room, if its set up like say the PoA or other newer ships (PoA though old was pretty much completely rebuilt except for the framing) where its activated in a separate room it wont work. and if it goes too slowly it won't be ab;e to trigger the switch

  •  08-30-2010, 11:32 AM 928694 in reply to 928693

    Re: Master Chief is Dead, Lemme Tell You Why

    fiery grave:
    jackalo:
    fiery grave: 

    , he cannot activate the chamber and be in it at the some time

    He's in space. Push a piece of metal slowly at the switch that turns it on then quickly get inside it before it hits the switch.

     

    thats only if the place to activate cryo is in the same room, if its set up like say the PoA or other newer ships (PoA though old was pretty much completely rebuilt except for the framing) where its activated in a separate room it wont work. and if it goes too slowly it won't be ab;e to trigger the switch

    Don't push it as hard with a heavier thing or push it from further away.

  •  08-30-2010, 12:31 PM 928708 in reply to 928694

    Re: Master Chief is Dead, Lemme Tell You Why

    jackalo:
    fiery grave:
    jackalo:
    fiery grave: 

    , he cannot activate the chamber and be in it at the some time

    He's in space. Push a piece of metal slowly at the switch that turns it on then quickly get inside it before it hits the switch.

     

    thats only if the place to activate cryo is in the same room, if its set up like say the PoA or other newer ships (PoA though old was pretty much completely rebuilt except for the framing) where its activated in a separate room it wont work. and if it goes too slowly it won't be ab;e to trigger the switch

    Don't push it as hard with a heavier thing or push it from further away.

    Let's just say for the sake of argument someone else needed to turn the Cryo tube on once the Chief was inside and there weren't enough materials available for the Chief to fashion together a Rube-Goldberg device.

  •  08-30-2010, 12:56 PM 928714 in reply to 928708

    Re: Master Chief is Dead, Lemme Tell You Why

    Jason X35:
    jackalo:
    fiery grave:
    jackalo:
    fiery grave: 

    , he cannot activate the chamber and be in it at the some time

    He's in space. Push a piece of metal slowly at the switch that turns it on then quickly get inside it before it hits the switch.

     

    thats only if the place to activate cryo is in the same room, if its set up like say the PoA or other newer ships (PoA though old was pretty much completely rebuilt except for the framing) where its activated in a separate room it wont work. and if it goes too slowly it won't be ab;e to trigger the switch

    Don't push it as hard with a heavier thing or push it from further away.

    Let's just say for the sake of argument someone else needed to turn the Cryo tube on once the Chief was inside and there weren't enough materials available for the Chief to fashion together a Rube-Goldberg device.

    But that's just lieing. You can watch the legendary cut-scene of halo 3. There's a lot of metal floating around. Also pushing a piece of metal isn't a Rube-Goldberg machine.

  •  08-30-2010, 5:28 PM 928967 in reply to 928694

    Re: Master Chief is Dead, Lemme Tell You Why

    jackalo:
    fiery grave:
    jackalo:
    fiery grave: 

    , he cannot activate the chamber and be in it at the some time

    He's in space. Push a piece of metal slowly at the switch that turns it on then quickly get inside it before it hits the switch.

     

    thats only if the place to activate cryo is in the same room, if its set up like say the PoA or other newer ships (PoA though old was pretty much completely rebuilt except for the framing) where its activated in a separate room it wont work. and if it goes too slowly it won't be ab;e to trigger the switch

    Don't push it as hard with a heavier thing or push it from further away.

    it doesn't matter how heavy it is, its space, weight is irrelevant thats why little thrusters can change the movement of ships that weigh a couple of tons (Talking our real ships)

    and if you have to go further away to push it you have to be further away from the cryo tube  as well. the chance are he would need someone else to do it. try dropping a palm sized object on your keyboard, chances are a button wont go down, now a switch for a cryo tube will be at least that strong if not stronger

  •  08-30-2010, 5:36 PM 928981 in reply to 928714

    Re: Master Chief is Dead, Lemme Tell You Why

    jackalo:
    Jason X35:
    jackalo:
    fiery grave:
    jackalo:
    fiery grave: 

    , he cannot activate the chamber and be in it at the some time

    He's in space. Push a piece of metal slowly at the switch that turns it on then quickly get inside it before it hits the switch.

     

    thats only if the place to activate cryo is in the same room, if its set up like say the PoA or other newer ships (PoA though old was pretty much completely rebuilt except for the framing) where its activated in a separate room it wont work. and if it goes too slowly it won't be ab;e to trigger the switch

    Don't push it as hard with a heavier thing or push it from further away.

    Let's just say for the sake of argument someone else needed to turn the Cryo tube on once the Chief was inside and there weren't enough materials available for the Chief to fashion together a Rube-Goldberg device.

    But that's just lieing. You can watch the legendary cut-scene of halo 3. There's a lot of metal floating around. Also pushing a piece of metal isn't a Rube-Goldberg machine.

    Sure there's a lot of metal floating around, but they're little tiny pieces. I failed to notice a drill and rivet gun or something to fashion those pieces into a working machine. And I didn't say a single piece of metal was a Rube-Goldberg machine. I said:

    1.) Let's assume the activation for the cryo tube is removed from the tube, and therefore someone else needs to activate it.

    2.) There isn't a way for the Chief to fashion together something to close it. Like a clockwork device that clicks down while he puts himself in the tube as it closes (a.k.a., a Rube-Goldberg type device or similar).

     Let's face it: a technology like cryo-stasis is complex. Isn't it reasonable to assume that there's more than one button to turn it on? Something like a series of commands. The Chief would have to set many small pieces of metal on a collision course with the keys in the correct sequence in order to activate the cryo tube successfully. It's not likely to have an "on-off" switch.

  •  08-30-2010, 5:39 PM 928988 in reply to 928967

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    fiery grave:
    jackalo:
    fiery grave:
    jackalo:
    fiery grave: 

    , he cannot activate the chamber and be in it at the some time

    He's in space. Push a piece of metal slowly at the switch that turns it on then quickly get inside it before it hits the switch.

     

    thats only if the place to activate cryo is in the same room, if its set up like say the PoA or other newer ships (PoA though old was pretty much completely rebuilt except for the framing) where its activated in a separate room it wont work. and if it goes too slowly it won't be ab;e to trigger the switch

    Don't push it as hard with a heavier thing or push it from further away.

    it doesn't matter how heavy it is, its space, weight is irrelevant thats why little thrusters can change the movement of ships that weigh a couple of tons (Talking our real ships)

    That's not why that happens. Space is a vacuum. That means there's no friction resisting motion. Therefore, a small force is used entirely on motion, not in overcoming the friction (like air resistance). That's why a small thruster can move a space shuttle.

    Although...why you said is true, but not in the way you meant. Weight is irrelevant because weight is a mass multiplied by the gravity...which would be near zero. Mass, however, is very important and is the basis of motion (along with forces, of course).

  •  08-30-2010, 5:40 PM 928990 in reply to 928676

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    DFang:
    xXx Failure xXx:
    jackalo:
    darkbelg:
    DFang:
    AlCapone111:

    Also his arguement about power on the ship? Flawed by todays tech. We have nuclear subs and boats that can be powered for thousands of years. I guarentee that by 2500+ something better and even more efficient would have come along. Plus the reactor is in the back half of the ship, so MC is set for a good while

    Then with Cortana going rampant, she has already felt what it is like at the hands of Gravemind. So she is ready for it, and accepts it.

     

    Personally, i think he is alive.  And while i really want a "Halo 4" to give me more answers, I'm happy.

    Then there's the theory that Cortana entered meta-stability when chief saved her, so maybe she won't go rampant. :|


    alright halo :legends busts that idea. Cortana is no longer normal that's true. But now she has touch and she can move objects.
    MC is in a coma not alive not dead. Where there is evil there is good. Now that there is no more evil there is no more place fore good ore a warrior. She's keeping him asleep.

    Now is the question is MC in luck that he doesn't get found ore is he lucky to get found when another war rises.
    there will always be war and there will always be warriors

     

    She just flashes a lot in Legends. She seems perfectly sane to me just her hologram is damaged.

    In legends the 'flashes' actually signify she's damaged and is begining to die: It dosen't suggest she's begining rampancy(which is impossible, since UNSC programs arn't that advanced anyway). The code is just begining to decay, and she's in the first processes of an AI dying.

    The flashes signify that the holo-projector crap is weakening.  Code cannot decay.  The only way a UNSC AI "died" anyways was through rampancy, where they could no longer help the humans and became a minor threat.



    Get your canon right: A human AI(Due to it's ill-codeing after eight to nine years eventually burns itself out by litrally thinking itself to death) is not as advanced as neither covenant or Forerunner: Rampancy can only be induced by a third-world party which corrupts the said AI's code, otherwise it simply decays: Look it up: Most programs have an intential decay code, and the one's that don't are extreamly fragile in the sense.

    So I hear you like mudkips....
    Yeah, mine totally evolved from a mudkip into a marshchomp when I saw your sister, and totally unevolved back when it saw your mother 0_o
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