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Kangaroo Love:

Guys, don't you get it? eastred dragon is the biggest troll on these forums. Nobody can actually be that retarded.

He's diabolical.

I have been gone a while and really don't want to continue this argument that was started and then abandoned by verram but I think he still reads this and needs to realize this.

 

You keep saying Theory of evolution and The big bang Theory, but then you don't say The Creation Theory, Or the God Theory.... which they are exactly the same things.... theory's. as it turns out Everything is a theory, everything from the big bang, god and even time its self is a theory. You cannot prove any of it, I can not even prove that sentence, the only thing you can prove is yourself to yourself. you cannot disprove some one who comes up to you and say that the entire world was created 5 human minutes ago the way it is now and with all our memories and everything already put in place.

 if you used the word theory properly a common converstation would sound like this

"Does your theory of your current feelings feel like going to the Theoretical movie theater to watch that Theoretical movie?"

 

you can say "Theory of the Big Bang" and then turn around and say "God is real", But it can easily be turned around to "the big bang" and "The theory of God"

What we decide to be fact  is based on the evidence available, with the big bang we can still hear its echo and its still happening, the big bang is the universe expanding and it still is and we cam measure that using light reflecting off of planets and measuring the time it takes for it to move back and fourth. Evolution has been viewed and observed over many years since the church stopped oppressing science and allowed our technological advancements to happen. we can see it still today, mutations are not people growing extra arms, its things like two dwarfs (which is a recessive gene which means the child should genetically be a dwarf) have a normal child. its why some people are taller than all their family members or shorter than them. 

 

In the end though its, and everything else is just a theory, we decide what we believe in because of what we can see smell, hear and touch. Thats why evolution is accepted by most churches and by the Vatican, We can here the Big bang and we can see evolution happen. The next time you hear god, or see him, or touch him let me know alright.

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Fiery Grave, do you even know what a scientific theory is? otherwise there is no point arguing with you.

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What is there to argue? this is philosophy, you really can't prove anything... try it.

 

though a theory is pretty much a hypothetical idea or premise about the universe we live in, it can be fact or fiction.

 

I really don't see what there is to argue as this is the most insightful look at the world possible, logic is a science of questioning everything.... this is questioning  absolutely everything, even yourself to realize that the only thing you can be certain of is your own existence "I think there fore I am" is stating if I question the world what other possibilities are there, that our senses are being manipulated to see the world we believe in, then if we are being manipulated there must be this deceiver and if there is a deceiver he must have something to deceive.

thus makes everything a theory 

  

But that still works in the same fashion, Every thing is a theory because everything is human explanation of the world around us, nothing can truly be true fact. it can only be fact in the universe we perceive. Which for all we could know is an illusion of some deceiver. Philosophy is the science of logic and reasoning if a scientific theory is to be determined true three scientist must try and prove it false, if they can not its chances of being true and accepted go up it must pass the rules of logic. A theory is only true as long as its not proven false, thats why some older theories are starting to be proven false now with out better technology. 

 

my point still stands anyone try and prove anything 100% and I can dismiss it as 100% valid. 

 

logic doesn't follow true and false it follows valid and invalid 

 

Again it still works for what I said, and both uses of the words are correct as well as the word theory being used to describe observing things (which is its original meaning).

our explanations of things are not 100% accurate no matter how much evidence is collected.

 

your misinterpreting on how I am using the word. I meant in every way that its the explanation, but you can never prove that explanation to be 100% true. 

 

I would really throw around the word Ignorant a lot less as using a word in a different use of its definition is not being ignorant... 

 

jackalo:

Well no both meanings of the word aren't correct.

 

One is correct for everyday conversation (the one your saying it means) but not correct at all for a scientific theory. The other is correct for scientific theory. And you can't just mix the two into one and say that's correct either.

 

Thinking that the word theory in big bang theory means not proved IS ignorant, because it isn't being used in the slang way, it's being used in the scientific way.

I lol at the fact you're still waddling around shaking your overinflated knowledge of the principles of science at people, calling them ignorant just because they don't believe in the garbage that you believe in...

Fiery Grave, I agree with your opinions 100% but you might as well stop here...Jacko only knows how to use the word "ignorant"...and he never shuts up.

 

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jackalo:

Well no both meanings of the word aren't correct.

 

One is correct for everyday conversation (the one your saying it means) but not correct at all for a scientific theory. The other is correct for scientific theory. And you can't just mix the two into one and say that's correct either.

 

Thinking that the word theory in big bang theory means not proved IS ignorant, because it isn't being used in the slang way, it's being used in the scientific way.

 

I made a long post and then when I posted it was deleted! dammit and I don't feel like retyping it so I'll try and summarize it, your using the word the wrong way as well as interpreting what I was saying the wrong way. theory is a philosophical term (philosophy is the root of all science) use to describe a logical out come with supporting evidence, its based off our five senses (this is the original use of the word to, and the way its actually used in science). The problem with that is our sense can be manipulated. I could have a theory that the big bang is not existent the effects are caused by the super computer that all our conciseness are hooked up to (like the matrix) in the real universe they can travel faster than light and bend time. the effects we see of the big bang are really caused by the growing memory of the computer. this theory is every point as valid as the big bang theory, it doesn't need evidence because for something to become a theory it has to go through test to be disproved, any test you conduct on it would be inconclusive. This theory may or may not be true but it still is a scientific theory.

 a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory. But it stays a hypothesis at the core because you can never prove ANYTHING 100%

 

Veraam:

The Big Bang THEORY says that an explosion created the original Earth.
(hint hint "Big Bang")
That's "how" it says the universe came into existence or whatnot.

Evolution is random mutations that SOMEHOW cause the organism to transform over the years into something "better."
A theory is an idea that is not yet proved. Hence, "theory" of evolution.
Science itself is "man's organized knowledge of God's Creation." There are just parts of science that WERE designed to disprove Him.
I know that very well, like Roosevelt and the kite. But SOME theories ARE made when a person tries to prove a theory they thought of, and yet they have no actual evidence to support thier...well, evidence.
Darwin was corrupted when he read books of false ideas pertaining to life's creation. He then tried to search for proof after the theory of evolution was set in his mind. Therefore, he DID try to form evidence around an idea that itself was not yet proven.
They are disproved and unrealistic theories with no more scientific evidence than Creation itself.
You just took the words right from my mouth.
And yes, SOME scientists do, and that's how many of these theories were dead ends from the start.

I'm done talking to you. You say you believe in God and yet you also say you're an "expert" on theories that were once meant to try and overwrite His Creation? In the end, it's going to be one, or the other.

Either God created the heavens and the Earth (Genesis 1:1)

Or an explosion, followed by billions of years of random genetic jumps did.

God.

Or man. And science.

Whichever you believe takes the same amount of faith, and frankly I don't care which one you believe in.

Me? I choose God. And that is where I stand until the day I draw my last breath.

Goodbye.

 

SOMEHOW man created god.

you are an uneducated child.

you are SOMEHOW confusing " faith" with "laziness".

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