Wow this is still going?

I can't believe that it has gone on so long based on vast assumptions and what at best could be called an educated guess. Trying to prove Chief is dead is like the ongoing battle between Atheists and Christians.

One side: Prove he's dead,

Other side: Prove he isn't.

I've provided you with a plausible theory as to how the Chief survived exactly and that was thrown out the window. If you don't want to believe the Chief is alive, then don't. We'll just wait and see what 343 Studios does.

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Jason X35:

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Jason X35:Even if the Elites were actively trying to kill off the Brutes, I don't think you understand space battles. The closest thing to compare it to is an aviation battle, but that still has and up and a down. In space, there are literally an infinite number of directions in which to travel. The Covenant plasma weapons, while very powerful, are also slow. We learned this from Cortana in First Strike when she modified the Covenant ship and made the weapons more effective. Combine that with the huge fleets engaging each other, and doesn't it seem likely that one, two, or even more ships might be able to escape.

Besides, there had to be at least one Brute ship in the area. Remember the two Scarabs that come down from the sky at the end of the level The Covenant in Halo 3? Pretty sure they weren't flying around in the air and that they dropped from a spaceship. Even if they weren't, and they actually were just floating around in space...doesn't that mean there are at least two Brute controlled ships/vehicles that the Elites didn't destroy at that point? The Gravemind showing up would also allow for further distractions, allowing the Brutes to escape further.

Face it. It's much more likely that a few Brute ships survived than the Elites wiped them all out. Even though the Elites are amazing warriors, almost every battle in history has proved that there are cowards who will run and hide when their enemy comes knocking.

The Brutes would have been eliminated just before the new Halo ring went off. That's the big problem with the theory: the fight in the skies was going on the whole time the Chief and Arby were cruisin' like real men.

I don't think you understand the concept that the Halo ring may not have fired. Allow me to explain it to you:

The ring was unfinished. Unfinished things don't tend to work correctly, even if just one piece was missing. Ergo, we can put these statements together and conclude that, perhaps, if you possibly follow my seemingly insane hypothesis, that an unfinished Halo ring might not work correctly.

I know, I know. Big jump in logic there. Here's a better metaphor for you. You buy a Ferrari before it's finished. Ignoring the warnings of the floating robot, aka "The Lightbulb", you precede to speed down the highway. Guess what? The Ferrari crashes because it was missing various components such as a fuel regulator, brakes, accelerometer, speedometer, and temperature controls. The car looked like it was finished and went really fast, but it still didn't work.

If you have definitive proof that the Halo ring fired correctly and generated a localized pulse, please state it. Don't just keep on saying things are the way they are because that's they way you interpreted them. Explain how you came to understanding of what happened. Perhaps you caught something I missed, in which case I would like to see it.

So far the only thing supporting your localized pulse theory, however, is your comment that Spark went psycho-crazy and said it would destroy everything. False. He said, "Bu-bu-but a premature firing will destroy the Ark!...will destroy this Installation" He didn't say a premature firing would work. Again, actually argue your case (this references the intellectual form of argument which brings about an understanding, not the ticked-off twelve-year-old kind. I also apologize to all people who are twelve, but you get the point) and maybe we can definitively determine if the Chief will actually live or die.

Alrighty, since you seem to have it in my head I'm an idiot. (Let's ignore the fact that the Ferrari in your example worked properly but just destroyed itself in the process)

BUT we'll ignore the flaw in your example and humor you. If it was able to destroy the Ark (let's note that it was a giant piece of metal) then the explosion would be pretty big. If the ring didn't fire a tactical pulse like it should have, then it would have gone nuclear in an apocalyptic fashion. The explosion would have destroyed everything, sentient life or not. This even further disproves you. Stop. Breathe.

The Chief's dead.

do you realise how complicated a machine that could wipe out all sentient life for billions of miles in a split second would be? The closest thing we as humans have to something that complicated is the LHC which completly broke a few years back because one of the cooling systems made a wire to hot by less than half a degrees Celsius. and even the LHC would be nothing compared to how complicated this thing would be. if even one little bolt was loose or the voltage was off by 0.0000000000001v the ark would not possibly work. And this ark wasn't even finished. It was so badly damaged there was explosions on it. There is no way the ark could of fired.

 

And just blowing up is no reason to assume it would of killed the chief he was on board a military space craft and could of been a large distance away from the explosion. very possibly could of outrun it.

tmspartan:

Wow this is still going?

I can't believe that it has gone on so long based on vast assumptions and what at best could be called an educated guess. Trying to prove Chief is dead is like the ongoing battle between Atheists and Christians.

One side: Prove he's dead,

Other side: Prove he isn't.

I've provided you with a plausible theory as to how the Chief survived exactly and that was thrown out the window. If you don't want to believe the Chief is alive, then don't. We'll just wait and see what 343 Studios does.

QFT

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Jason X35:

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Jason X35:Even if the Elites were actively trying to kill off the Brutes, I don't think you understand space battles. The closest thing to compare it to is an aviation battle, but that still has and up and a down. In space, there are literally an infinite number of directions in which to travel. The Covenant plasma weapons, while very powerful, are also slow. We learned this from Cortana in First Strike when she modified the Covenant ship and made the weapons more effective. Combine that with the huge fleets engaging each other, and doesn't it seem likely that one, two, or even more ships might be able to escape.

Besides, there had to be at least one Brute ship in the area. Remember the two Scarabs that come down from the sky at the end of the level The Covenant in Halo 3? Pretty sure they weren't flying around in the air and that they dropped from a spaceship. Even if they weren't, and they actually were just floating around in space...doesn't that mean there are at least two Brute controlled ships/vehicles that the Elites didn't destroy at that point? The Gravemind showing up would also allow for further distractions, allowing the Brutes to escape further.

Face it. It's much more likely that a few Brute ships survived than the Elites wiped them all out. Even though the Elites are amazing warriors, almost every battle in history has proved that there are cowards who will run and hide when their enemy comes knocking.

The Brutes would have been eliminated just before the new Halo ring went off. That's the big problem with the theory: the fight in the skies was going on the whole time the Chief and Arby were cruisin' like real men.

I don't think you understand the concept that the Halo ring may not have fired. Allow me to explain it to you:

The ring was unfinished. Unfinished things don't tend to work correctly, even if just one piece was missing. Ergo, we can put these statements together and conclude that, perhaps, if you possibly follow my seemingly insane hypothesis, that an unfinished Halo ring might not work correctly.

I know, I know. Big jump in logic there. Here's a better metaphor for you. You buy a Ferrari before it's finished. Ignoring the warnings of the floating robot, aka "The Lightbulb", you precede to speed down the highway. Guess what? The Ferrari crashes because it was missing various components such as a fuel regulator, brakes, accelerometer, speedometer, and temperature controls. The car looked like it was finished and went really fast, but it still didn't work.

If you have definitive proof that the Halo ring fired correctly and generated a localized pulse, please state it. Don't just keep on saying things are the way they are because that's they way you interpreted them. Explain how you came to understanding of what happened. Perhaps you caught something I missed, in which case I would like to see it.

So far the only thing supporting your localized pulse theory, however, is your comment that Spark went psycho-crazy and said it would destroy everything. False. He said, "Bu-bu-but a premature firing will destroy the Ark!...will destroy this Installation" He didn't say a premature firing would work. Again, actually argue your case (this references the intellectual form of argument which brings about an understanding, not the ticked-off twelve-year-old kind. I also apologize to all people who are twelve, but you get the point) and maybe we can definitively determine if the Chief will actually live or die.

Alrighty, since you seem to have it in my head I'm an idiot. (Let's ignore the fact that the Ferrari in your example worked properly but just destroyed itself in the process)

BUT we'll ignore the flaw in your example and humor you. If it was able to destroy the Ark (let's note that it was a giant piece of metal) then the explosion would be pretty big. If the ring didn't fire a tactical pulse like it should have, then it would have gone nuclear in an apocalyptic fashion. The explosion would have destroyed everything, sentient life or not. This even further disproves you. Stop. Breathe.

The Chief's dead.

do you realise how complicated a machine that could wipe out all sentient life for billions of miles in a split second would be? The closest thing we as humans have to something that complicated is the LHC which completly broke a few years back because one of the cooling systems made a wire to hot by less than half a degrees Celsius. and even the LHC would be nothing compared to how complicated this thing would be. if even one little bolt was loose or the voltage was off by 0.0000000000001v the ark would not possibly work. And this ark wasn't even finished. It was so badly damaged there was explosions on it. There is no way the ark could of fired.

 

And just blowing up is no reason to assume it would of killed the chief he was on board a military space craft and could of been a large distance away from the explosion. very possibly could of outrun it.

You mean the Halo right? Not the Ark?

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jackalo:

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Jason X35:

xXCrocmonXx:

Jason X35:Even if the Elites were actively trying to kill off the Brutes, I don't think you understand space battles. The closest thing to compare it to is an aviation battle, but that still has and up and a down. In space, there are literally an infinite number of directions in which to travel. The Covenant plasma weapons, while very powerful, are also slow. We learned this from Cortana in First Strike when she modified the Covenant ship and made the weapons more effective. Combine that with the huge fleets engaging each other, and doesn't it seem likely that one, two, or even more ships might be able to escape.

Besides, there had to be at least one Brute ship in the area. Remember the two Scarabs that come down from the sky at the end of the level The Covenant in Halo 3? Pretty sure they weren't flying around in the air and that they dropped from a spaceship. Even if they weren't, and they actually were just floating around in space...doesn't that mean there are at least two Brute controlled ships/vehicles that the Elites didn't destroy at that point? The Gravemind showing up would also allow for further distractions, allowing the Brutes to escape further.

Face it. It's much more likely that a few Brute ships survived than the Elites wiped them all out. Even though the Elites are amazing warriors, almost every battle in history has proved that there are cowards who will run and hide when their enemy comes knocking.

The Brutes would have been eliminated just before the new Halo ring went off. That's the big problem with the theory: the fight in the skies was going on the whole time the Chief and Arby were cruisin' like real men.

I don't think you understand the concept that the Halo ring may not have fired. Allow me to explain it to you:

The ring was unfinished. Unfinished things don't tend to work correctly, even if just one piece was missing. Ergo, we can put these statements together and conclude that, perhaps, if you possibly follow my seemingly insane hypothesis, that an unfinished Halo ring might not work correctly.

I know, I know. Big jump in logic there. Here's a better metaphor for you. You buy a Ferrari before it's finished. Ignoring the warnings of the floating robot, aka "The Lightbulb", you precede to speed down the highway. Guess what? The Ferrari crashes because it was missing various components such as a fuel regulator, brakes, accelerometer, speedometer, and temperature controls. The car looked like it was finished and went really fast, but it still didn't work.

If you have definitive proof that the Halo ring fired correctly and generated a localized pulse, please state it. Don't just keep on saying things are the way they are because that's they way you interpreted them. Explain how you came to understanding of what happened. Perhaps you caught something I missed, in which case I would like to see it.

So far the only thing supporting your localized pulse theory, however, is your comment that Spark went psycho-crazy and said it would destroy everything. False. He said, "Bu-bu-but a premature firing will destroy the Ark!...will destroy this Installation" He didn't say a premature firing would work. Again, actually argue your case (this references the intellectual form of argument which brings about an understanding, not the ticked-off twelve-year-old kind. I also apologize to all people who are twelve, but you get the point) and maybe we can definitively determine if the Chief will actually live or die.

Alrighty, since you seem to have it in my head I'm an idiot. (Let's ignore the fact that the Ferrari in your example worked properly but just destroyed itself in the process)

BUT we'll ignore the flaw in your example and humor you. If it was able to destroy the Ark (let's note that it was a giant piece of metal) then the explosion would be pretty big. If the ring didn't fire a tactical pulse like it should have, then it would have gone nuclear in an apocalyptic fashion. The explosion would have destroyed everything, sentient life or not. This even further disproves you. Stop. Breathe.

The Chief's dead.

do you realise how complicated a machine that could wipe out all sentient life for billions of miles in a split second would be? The closest thing we as humans have to something that complicated is the LHC which completly broke a few years back because one of the cooling systems made a wire to hot by less than half a degrees Celsius. and even the LHC would be nothing compared to how complicated this thing would be. if even one little bolt was loose or the voltage was off by 0.0000000000001v the ark would not possibly work. And this ark wasn't even finished. It was so badly damaged there was explosions on it. There is no way the ark could of fired.

 

And just blowing up is no reason to assume it would of killed the chief he was on board a military space craft and could of been a large distance away from the explosion. very possibly could of outrun it.

You mean the Halo right? Not the Ark?

I mean whatever hes talking about that fires a "tactical pulse" his arguments are so pointlessly wrong now I'm not even sure what I'm arguing about. 

Forklifts never die! They're just missing in action!

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jackalo:

AC Matt Klassen:

jackalo:

xXCrocmonXx:

Jason X35:

xXCrocmonXx:

Jason X35:Even if the Elites were actively trying to kill off the Brutes, I don't think you understand space battles. The closest thing to compare it to is an aviation battle, but that still has and up and a down. In space, there are literally an infinite number of directions in which to travel. The Covenant plasma weapons, while very powerful, are also slow. We learned this from Cortana in First Strike when she modified the Covenant ship and made the weapons more effective. Combine that with the huge fleets engaging each other, and doesn't it seem likely that one, two, or even more ships might be able to escape.

Besides, there had to be at least one Brute ship in the area. Remember the two Scarabs that come down from the sky at the end of the level The Covenant in Halo 3? Pretty sure they weren't flying around in the air and that they dropped from a spaceship. Even if they weren't, and they actually were just floating around in space...doesn't that mean there are at least two Brute controlled ships/vehicles that the Elites didn't destroy at that point? The Gravemind showing up would also allow for further distractions, allowing the Brutes to escape further.

Face it. It's much more likely that a few Brute ships survived than the Elites wiped them all out. Even though the Elites are amazing warriors, almost every battle in history has proved that there are cowards who will run and hide when their enemy comes knocking.

The Brutes would have been eliminated just before the new Halo ring went off. That's the big problem with the theory: the fight in the skies was going on the whole time the Chief and Arby were cruisin' like real men.

I don't think you understand the concept that the Halo ring may not have fired. Allow me to explain it to you:

The ring was unfinished. Unfinished things don't tend to work correctly, even if just one piece was missing. Ergo, we can put these statements together and conclude that, perhaps, if you possibly follow my seemingly insane hypothesis, that an unfinished Halo ring might not work correctly.

I know, I know. Big jump in logic there. Here's a better metaphor for you. You buy a Ferrari before it's finished. Ignoring the warnings of the floating robot, aka "The Lightbulb", you precede to speed down the highway. Guess what? The Ferrari crashes because it was missing various components such as a fuel regulator, brakes, accelerometer, speedometer, and temperature controls. The car looked like it was finished and went really fast, but it still didn't work.

If you have definitive proof that the Halo ring fired correctly and generated a localized pulse, please state it. Don't just keep on saying things are the way they are because that's they way you interpreted them. Explain how you came to understanding of what happened. Perhaps you caught something I missed, in which case I would like to see it.

So far the only thing supporting your localized pulse theory, however, is your comment that Spark went psycho-crazy and said it would destroy everything. False. He said, "Bu-bu-but a premature firing will destroy the Ark!...will destroy this Installation" He didn't say a premature firing would work. Again, actually argue your case (this references the intellectual form of argument which brings about an understanding, not the ticked-off twelve-year-old kind. I also apologize to all people who are twelve, but you get the point) and maybe we can definitively determine if the Chief will actually live or die.

Alrighty, since you seem to have it in my head I'm an idiot. (Let's ignore the fact that the Ferrari in your example worked properly but just destroyed itself in the process)

BUT we'll ignore the flaw in your example and humor you. If it was able to destroy the Ark (let's note that it was a giant piece of metal) then the explosion would be pretty big. If the ring didn't fire a tactical pulse like it should have, then it would have gone nuclear in an apocalyptic fashion. The explosion would have destroyed everything, sentient life or not. This even further disproves you. Stop. Breathe.

The Chief's dead.

do you realise how complicated a machine that could wipe out all sentient life for billions of miles in a split second would be? The closest thing we as humans have to something that complicated is the LHC which completly broke a few years back because one of the cooling systems made a wire to hot by less than half a degrees Celsius. and even the LHC would be nothing compared to how complicated this thing would be. if even one little bolt was loose or the voltage was off by 0.0000000000001v the ark would not possibly work. And this ark wasn't even finished. It was so badly damaged there was explosions on it. There is no way the ark could of fired.

 

And just blowing up is no reason to assume it would of killed the chief he was on board a military space craft and could of been a large distance away from the explosion. very possibly could of outrun it.

You mean the Halo right? Not the Ark?

I mean whatever hes talking about that fires a "tactical pulse" his arguments are so pointlessly wrong now I'm not even sure what I'm arguing about. 

I was correcting YOU.

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jackalo:

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jackalo:

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Jason X35:

xXCrocmonXx:

Jason X35:Even if the Elites were actively trying to kill off the Brutes, I don't think you understand space battles. The closest thing to compare it to is an aviation battle, but that still has and up and a down. In space, there are literally an infinite number of directions in which to travel. The Covenant plasma weapons, while very powerful, are also slow. We learned this from Cortana in First Strike when she modified the Covenant ship and made the weapons more effective. Combine that with the huge fleets engaging each other, and doesn't it seem likely that one, two, or even more ships might be able to escape.

Besides, there had to be at least one Brute ship in the area. Remember the two Scarabs that come down from the sky at the end of the level The Covenant in Halo 3? Pretty sure they weren't flying around in the air and that they dropped from a spaceship. Even if they weren't, and they actually were just floating around in space...doesn't that mean there are at least two Brute controlled ships/vehicles that the Elites didn't destroy at that point? The Gravemind showing up would also allow for further distractions, allowing the Brutes to escape further.

Face it. It's much more likely that a few Brute ships survived than the Elites wiped them all out. Even though the Elites are amazing warriors, almost every battle in history has proved that there are cowards who will run and hide when their enemy comes knocking.

The Brutes would have been eliminated just before the new Halo ring went off. That's the big problem with the theory: the fight in the skies was going on the whole time the Chief and Arby were cruisin' like real men.

I don't think you understand the concept that the Halo ring may not have fired. Allow me to explain it to you:

The ring was unfinished. Unfinished things don't tend to work correctly, even if just one piece was missing. Ergo, we can put these statements together and conclude that, perhaps, if you possibly follow my seemingly insane hypothesis, that an unfinished Halo ring might not work correctly.

I know, I know. Big jump in logic there. Here's a better metaphor for you. You buy a Ferrari before it's finished. Ignoring the warnings of the floating robot, aka "The Lightbulb", you precede to speed down the highway. Guess what? The Ferrari crashes because it was missing various components such as a fuel regulator, brakes, accelerometer, speedometer, and temperature controls. The car looked like it was finished and went really fast, but it still didn't work.

If you have definitive proof that the Halo ring fired correctly and generated a localized pulse, please state it. Don't just keep on saying things are the way they are because that's they way you interpreted them. Explain how you came to understanding of what happened. Perhaps you caught something I missed, in which case I would like to see it.

So far the only thing supporting your localized pulse theory, however, is your comment that Spark went psycho-crazy and said it would destroy everything. False. He said, "Bu-bu-but a premature firing will destroy the Ark!...will destroy this Installation" He didn't say a premature firing would work. Again, actually argue your case (this references the intellectual form of argument which brings about an understanding, not the ticked-off twelve-year-old kind. I also apologize to all people who are twelve, but you get the point) and maybe we can definitively determine if the Chief will actually live or die.

Alrighty, since you seem to have it in my head I'm an idiot. (Let's ignore the fact that the Ferrari in your example worked properly but just destroyed itself in the process)

BUT we'll ignore the flaw in your example and humor you. If it was able to destroy the Ark (let's note that it was a giant piece of metal) then the explosion would be pretty big. If the ring didn't fire a tactical pulse like it should have, then it would have gone nuclear in an apocalyptic fashion. The explosion would have destroyed everything, sentient life or not. This even further disproves you. Stop. Breathe.

The Chief's dead.

do you realise how complicated a machine that could wipe out all sentient life for billions of miles in a split second would be? The closest thing we as humans have to something that complicated is the LHC which completly broke a few years back because one of the cooling systems made a wire to hot by less than half a degrees Celsius. and even the LHC would be nothing compared to how complicated this thing would be. if even one little bolt was loose or the voltage was off by 0.0000000000001v the ark would not possibly work. And this ark wasn't even finished. It was so badly damaged there was explosions on it. There is no way the ark could of fired.

 

And just blowing up is no reason to assume it would of killed the chief he was on board a military space craft and could of been a large distance away from the explosion. very possibly could of outrun it.

You mean the Halo right? Not the Ark?

I mean whatever hes talking about that fires a "tactical pulse" his arguments are so pointlessly wrong now I'm not even sure what I'm arguing about. 

I was correcting YOU.

erm i know? thats why i answered?

DFang:Forklifts never die! They're just missing in action!

Where have I seen this before? 

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DFang:Forklifts never die! They're just missing in action!

Where have I seen this before? 

Here:

http://www.halowars.com/forums/post/920908.aspx 

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jackalo:

do you realise how complicated a machine that could wipe out all sentient life for billions of miles in a split second would be? The closest thing we as humans have to something that complicated is the LHC

Are you really going to compare the Halo rings to the LHC? Really?! Just get out.

The Halo rings are not specified as to how they work. The tactical pulse was fired, otherwise the ring wouldn't have exploded. It's like the Ferrari example earlier: it wasn't complete but it hit a high speed. Sure you would have crashed and possibly died, but it still accelerated to the optimal speed before turning into a scene from Fast & Furious.

Also, I'm not even going to break it down further for you. The LHC is a particle accelerator. It is a gigantic, overgrown multi-million dollar Beam Rifle. That's right kiddo: that's how the Beam Rifle works: a particle accelerator firing subatomic particles so fast that it could blow through armor.

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jackalo:

do you realise how complicated a machine that could wipe out all sentient life for billions of miles in a split second would be? The closest thing we as humans have to something that complicated is the LHC

Are you really going to compare the Halo rings to the LHC? Really?! Just get out.

The Halo rings are not specified as to how they work. The tactical pulse was fired, otherwise the ring wouldn't have exploded. It's like the Ferrari example earlier: it wasn't complete but it hit a high speed. Sure you would have crashed and possibly died, but it still accelerated to the optimal speed before turning into a scene from Fast & Furious.

Also, I'm not even going to break it down further for you. The LHC is a particle accelerator. It is a gigantic, overgrown multi-million dollar Beam Rifle. That's right kiddo: that's how the Beam Rifle works: a particle accelerator firing subatomic particles so fast that it could blow through armor.

 I'm not saying the LHC is similar to halo and you know I'm no unless you cant read. I'm saying that the halos are a million times more complex than anything we have and even things as complex and the things we have will stop working if the tiniest thing is wrong with them. The Halos/the ark would have to be PERFECT to work.

 

"tacttical pulse was fired, otherwise the ring wouldn't have exploded." so thats the only thing that can blow something up is it? Not the tonnes of fuel/electricity/whatever powers them that would be needed for it to work that if it was unfinished would likely not be stored safely? Not the fact that its not put together properly. Not the fact theres a large battle going ontop of it. Not the fact people are trying to use it when its not ready? If you have a plane with a bomb in it, theres other ways that the plane could crash. Just because there is one way that could cause it to crash doesn't mean the other ways that could cause it to crash stop existing.

 

Also was there halos near the ark? 

xXCrocmonXx:

Jason X35:

xXCrocmonXx:

Jason X35:Even if the Elites were actively trying to kill off the Brutes, I don't think you understand space battles. The closest thing to compare it to is an aviation battle, but that still has and up and a down. In space, there are literally an infinite number of directions in which to travel. The Covenant plasma weapons, while very powerful, are also slow. We learned this from Cortana in First Strike when she modified the Covenant ship and made the weapons more effective. Combine that with the huge fleets engaging each other, and doesn't it seem likely that one, two, or even more ships might be able to escape.

Besides, there had to be at least one Brute ship in the area. Remember the two Scarabs that come down from the sky at the end of the level The Covenant in Halo 3? Pretty sure they weren't flying around in the air and that they dropped from a spaceship. Even if they weren't, and they actually were just floating around in space...doesn't that mean there are at least two Brute controlled ships/vehicles that the Elites didn't destroy at that point? The Gravemind showing up would also allow for further distractions, allowing the Brutes to escape further.

Face it. It's much more likely that a few Brute ships survived than the Elites wiped them all out. Even though the Elites are amazing warriors, almost every battle in history has proved that there are cowards who will run and hide when their enemy comes knocking.

The Brutes would have been eliminated just before the new Halo ring went off. That's the big problem with the theory: the fight in the skies was going on the whole time the Chief and Arby were cruisin' like real men.

I don't think you understand the concept that the Halo ring may not have fired. Allow me to explain it to you:

The ring was unfinished. Unfinished things don't tend to work correctly, even if just one piece was missing. Ergo, we can put these statements together and conclude that, perhaps, if you possibly follow my seemingly insane hypothesis, that an unfinished Halo ring might not work correctly.

I know, I know. Big jump in logic there. Here's a better metaphor for you. You buy a Ferrari before it's finished. Ignoring the warnings of the floating robot, aka "The Lightbulb", you precede to speed down the highway. Guess what? The Ferrari crashes because it was missing various components such as a fuel regulator, brakes, accelerometer, speedometer, and temperature controls. The car looked like it was finished and went really fast, but it still didn't work.

If you have definitive proof that the Halo ring fired correctly and generated a localized pulse, please state it. Don't just keep on saying things are the way they are because that's they way you interpreted them. Explain how you came to understanding of what happened. Perhaps you caught something I missed, in which case I would like to see it.

So far the only thing supporting your localized pulse theory, however, is your comment that Spark went psycho-crazy and said it would destroy everything. False. He said, "Bu-bu-but a premature firing will destroy the Ark!...will destroy this Installation" He didn't say a premature firing would work. Again, actually argue your case (this references the intellectual form of argument which brings about an understanding, not the ticked-off twelve-year-old kind. I also apologize to all people who are twelve, but you get the point) and maybe we can definitively determine if the Chief will actually live or die.

Alrighty, since you seem to have it in my head I'm an idiot. (Let's ignore the fact that the Ferrari in your example worked properly but just destroyed itself in the process)

BUT we'll ignore the flaw in your example and humor you. If it was able to destroy the Ark (let's note that it was a giant piece of metal) then the explosion would be pretty big. If the ring didn't fire a tactical pulse like it should have, then it would have gone nuclear in an apocalyptic fashion. The explosion would have destroyed everything, sentient life or not. This even further disproves you. Stop. Breathe.

The Chief's dead.

PLEASE tell me you have no intentions of ever being an engineer. "Honestly officers, the plane worked properly before it hit the ground. Don't blame me for all of the assembly problems. It worked, didn't it?". For future reference: anything that explodes or crashes when activated, and not intended to do so (a.k.a. an explosive device), DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY.

Lets ignore the fact that I offered an invitation to an intellectual conversation and all you did was ignore my request for information proving the ring fired (See what I did there?).

The Halo ring is huge. The Ark is even bigger. In the cut-scene at the level "The Covenant" we see the ring either ascending from the clouds or the Ark descending from the ring (the former is much more likely). If this is the case, then the Halo ring must have some form of advanced propulsion that allows it to move both away from the Ark and eventually towards it's intended location (as pointed out previously, the Ark was situated many light years from the Milky Way). When the Halo ring was fired, and subsequently began shaking itself apart from the attempted tactical cleansing pulse, it's most likely that these thrusters failed. Also seen from this last level, the ring has ascended to a great height from the Ark.

Now it's just basic physics. The mass of the Ark (m) times the universal gravitational constant (G) divided by the distance between the ring and the Ark (d) squared yields the gravitational acceleration of the Ark on the Halo ring (g). It looks like this:

            g = (m*G)/(d^2)

Now, since this has to be a positive number (because the mass is a scalar, the distance is squared, and the universal gravitational constant is a positive vector), then that means that the Halo ring will accelerate towards the Ark when this happens. And, as illustrated by this simple equation, when the distance decreases, the gravitational acceleration will increase by a factor of the inverse squared of the distance. In short, the acceleration reaches infinity when the distance closes to zero.

To continue this train of thought. The gravitational potential energy (PE) contained within any object is equal to the mass of the object, like a Halo ring (M), times the relative height of the object in relation to another object (d again) times the gravity exerted between the two objects (g). It looks like this:

         PE = M*d*g

Substitute in our other equation for g:

         PE = (M*d)*(m*G)/(d^2)

Simplify it to find that:

         PE = (M*m*G)/(d)

Explaining this we find that just the gravitational energy contained by the Halo ring relative to the Ark is enormous and therefore, would be able to destroy the Ark by a simple collision. Nobody every said "OMG! The ring didn't fire correctly and it went like ka-WOOSH!". No. I simply said the ring was unfinished and probably wouldn't function properly. Including many subsystems like the propulsion required to move it from star to star. A collision between the Halo ring and the Ark would effectively destroy both without going, what was the term again, "nuclear in an apocalyptic fashion". Not sure how something like that could happen unless the entire ring was composed of fissionable U-235...which I highly doubt.

Now if you actually read my whole post, congratulations and thank you. I'll ask you again:

Please argue your case intellectually and explain to me why you think what you think. Otherwise you just sound like an irate tyrant who's entire basis of beliefs is a self-justified and neglectful set of opinions. Just a word to the wise there, my friend (after all, are we not all friends of some sort on this site?).

xXCrocmonXx:

Okay, people here seem to have the notion that Halo 4 (Activision is in charge of it, btw because they bought Bungie or something like that) will include Master Chief. However, this is not true. The man is dead. Take a hammer, put a post-it note with the previous sentence written on it, and beat your face in until you see skull fragments on the hammer. The Chief is gone, dead, never coming back EVER. I will explain the top five reasons as to why below:

The chief is still alive, we was alive 4 years after the portal collapsed at least and probably more, in halo legends when Cortana is recapping the story of the universe it is 4 years later (Confirmed by Frank O'Connor).

1) Faster Than Light Communication - FTL Comms would be in the front of the ship since we know how the UNSC design their ships. That means the Chief's beacon would be like shooting an AM radio wave from Mars to Earth: three days to traverse that distance. From outside the galaxy to Earth? Centuries. Rescue's not coming in 'years, even.' Cortana will have unraveled her own coding and gone straight-up Mendicant Bias by that time and blown the ship up in a fit of AI-PMS. And to explain Rampancy: an AI in Rampancy is the equivalent of a clinically insane person. They don't realize they've gone totally mad, and they won't ever realize it. The only AI to have ever recovered from Rampancy in the Haloverse was Mendicant Bias, and that's probably just because he got bored of being insane.

FTL COM wasn't a technology implemented on standard UNSC ships, there were only two known ones, the one on onyx and on other that was on reach (I think it was reach it may have been else where). Cortana Is believed to have reached the state of metastability, it was believed because of the absorption of the Covi A.I. and the bombardment of the flood along side the the absorption of all the data from the halo ring that she went through rampancy while on High charity and ended up breaking through it into metastability. An A.I. can realize its gone rampant and they don't necessarily go insane its they can't function at higher speeds and there function capacity diminishes so much they cannot do anything but process the information they have acquired and just stop functioning, this could cause problems with A.I.'s that control vital systems on a ship or really anything.

Also we don't know where the chief is currently, but when you think about it the forerunners built the halo rings and the shield installations inside the galaxy, the only thing they built out of the galaxy is the ark. So since its a forerunner world its safe to assume its in the galaxy. he could be closer to one of the outer colonies that didn't get destroyed or a remote station that is still operating.

 2) Powered Cryo Tube - The reactor in the back-end of the ship is probably on low reserves, considering the fact that the Forward Unto Dawn was running during the entire course of Halo 3, shooting things, landing in atmosphere, and avoiding getting blown to all Hell, which means it's either out of fuel by the time it gets lopped in half or it's almost out of it. That means the pod he's sitting in only has at the most a few years of life in it. And when it powers off, he's screwed. Also, it slows down human processes - it doesn't stop them. For lack of use, his body will deteriorate in a state called atrophy. After a few decades of this, he will reach a point where he won't even be able to turn his head much less stand up in zero-gee. Also, his suit freezing to his skin will deteriorate his body on the molecular level slowly.

Ships in the halovers are powered by fusion reactors, they provide infinite renewable energy, it wouldn't matter about that at all. some ships spend years away from ports but still have power to run at full capacity. Also the fact he is in space would mean his body would never warm up, it would stay frozen even if there was no power.

Atrophy only happens if your blood is circulating, which in cryo it does not, Atrophy happens when you don't move your body for long periods of time while your muscles and blood still circulate. also his suit wouldn't freeze to his skin, they way they freeze people its more instant so it wouldn't be the suit freezing the because of the suit freezing his body would then freeze it would kill people that way. It freezes more instantly so the body and suit would freeze at the same time not allowing the suit to freeze to the body but freeze separately.

3) Starvation - He's in the middle of space. The closest planet is a Forerunner world that got blown the Hell up, and if the fly-over of it in Halo: Origins was canon, it's a barren planet that's devoid of anything except an atmosphere and metal. What's the Chief going to do? Evolve to eat steel, space-rock, and somehow drink the moisture in the air? Impossible. He's done. The hydroponics of the ship was at the front, either that or it's highly likely it will not work in a vacuum and on auxiliary power.

He is in cryo he doesn't need food 

4)  Traveling Outside The Galaxy - The portal was destroyed when the Halo on the Ark blew up. That's what sliced the ship in half. The Humans don't have the resources to hunt down the greatest supersoldier who would only return without a purpose and then grab an AI that significantly shortened its own lifespan and has probably gone insane. The Elites sure as Hell wouldn't look for him, they just barely respected him during the events of Halo 3. And besides, it isn't like they knew the limits of their ships in the first place: the ships looked fancy and could outclass UNSC ships, but the Covenant just reverse engineered and jury-rigged Forerunner tech into their ships. They couldn't make a jump to outside of the galaxy at random. Also, don't forget that the ship has some momentum to take it even further from the galaxy.

 

See #1 

5)  Reconstructing the 'Ark Portal' is Impossible - When the Halo fired, obviously some of it went through the portal. Otherwise, it wouldn't have closed. This probably obliterated one or both ends of the portal. This means that both openings of the portal (a portal/wormhole works like telephone, in layman's terms) would be disconnected from the center point they would connect at.If you stick your hand through a doorway (which is what that portal was) and the doorway closes with enough force to slice a spaceship in half, your hand will be on the other side of that doorway, and where the doorway sliced through will be representing all the distance the portal would have bypassed. Sure, stabilized wormholes work like telephones in a sense, but if a stabilized wormhole were to close when your hand would push through it, your hand would get lopped off and dropped at the exit point and you'd be standing in the entry point. The chunk between the severed hand and your arm would not be in a magical between world. And if it did collapse as he went through it, he wouldn't be anywhere in explored space - the Ark's solar system or otherwise. He'd be in a pocket of slipspace, completely separated from all means of communication. Thus, it reopening would not be possible before the Chief died out. Considering the front half of the Forward Unto Dawn fell into water in the cutscene, that means the Relic Site is probably filled back up with water by now, or otherwise destroyed with water on top. Or we could say the front half managed to get enough momentum to carry it to the oceans nearby, but still. The Relic site is almost definitely done for, and if it isn't, the Ark sure as Hell is. For a controlled wormhole to open, you'd need two points that could generate that spacial rift. If one end is gone, the wormhole will either open up somewhere random or not function at all. I doubt even an army of Huragok Engineers could fix that. And for the record, it wouldn't be the Chief that would be fixing it. That would be on the task of the people who would be on the other end of it.

 Your understanding of what happened seems misinformed, The portal does work like a telephone, but a telephone isn't instant, its the speed of light so we don't notice the difference but if you were to cut a cord in the middle while the electricity is moving through the electricity doesn't go back it just comes out there instead of the other end where it was meant to go, if half of it was cut it half would go to the end and half would drop out there. Thats what happened with the chief's half it dropped out because the worm hole wouldn't be instant just incredibly fast. If he was just on the end with the ark the firing of halo would have killed him, he was dropped out half way between the ark and earth 

So, to put it shortly: the Chief is dead due to the fact that FTL Comms are out of the question. He's also dead due to the fact that the Cryo Tube will run out of power before the beacon is received by any civilization in existence. And when the tube dies, what the Hell is he gonna eat? Space rock? Also, who would hunt down a supersoldier that has no purpose since there is no longer a threat? And the Ark exploded, for good. No portal opening ever. The Chief is dead, and you cannot bring him back, except in crappy stories written by thirteen year olds. Or, since Activision is in charge of the Microsoft Halo projects now, he isn't coming back unless Soap punches a hole in space-time with his bionic ice-picks and rescues the Chief with a vacuum-proof wetsuit because Activision needs another stupid-overpowered character to fuel a half-baked Tom Clancy rip-off of a story.

 

You also realize that Bungie singed a contract to have Activision PUBLISH the games that they make, they have no control over anything Bungie makes they just publish it. Bungie is too small of a company to be able to publish games on their own.

and Microsoft owns the right to the halo franchise and 343 studios is in charge of the halo series after reach is finished and out. 

 I believe he is still alive but what happens will be explained in a comic or book, not a game. 

you seem to think you know more than you really do. 

fiery grave:

You also realize that Bungie singed a contract to have Activision PUBLISH the games that they make, they have no control over anything Bungie makes they just publish it. Bungie is too small of a company to be able to publish games on their own.

and Microsoft owns the right to the halo franchise and 343 studios is in charge of the halo series after reach is finished and out. 

 I believe he is still alive but what happens will be explained in a comic or book, not a game. 

you seem to think you know more than you really do. 

Oh no...you awoke the slumbering beast! I was hoping this would fade away...